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Goddamn roads all have stop signs or lights at intersections, so to whine that your urban bike path has stops at intersections is no justification whatsoever to ride on roads that have just as many stop intersections.
Don't like stop signs interfering with the purity of your ride? Fucking move somewhere else.
I ride to the Bells frequently. It’s a pretty wide two lane road with restricted traffic. Most places there’s <6” gravel berm, then tall grass. If they’d had the siren on, I bet most people would pulled off.
If a car pulled over, it would still take up more of the roadway than a single file rider.
It’s pretty easy for a rental ebike to hit 35 coming down. Roadies hit 50 all the time.
Was your step dad a cyclist or something? Was there some bad touch involved? If I got out a doll, could you show us on the doll where the bad cyclist touched you? Did the G-man eminent domain your house and build a bike path? What is it about bikes and bike paths that gets you so frothy?Quote:
Originally Posted by highangle
I want whoever it was in this thread earlier back here now to tell you that you're imagining it, projecting, and can't possibly know what's in their heads. Then for true comedy he can go back to explaining how rare it is to see cyclists in NYC act as if all traffic laws are meaningless and how everyone who knows otherwise is delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
And in a surely doomed attempt at making this a little more reasonable, I'll say again that I and I assume most others here who aren't 100% cycling advocates are not in favor of cyclists being harmed, killed, or made to bike in dangerous conditions. I assume everyone agrees that drivers who menace or actually hit cyclists deserve to have the book thrown at them. But it's not as if one side has a monopoly on idiocy in this debate (and if you can't see how it's irritating to hear cyclists harp about how drivers should accept being inconvenienced by cyclists in the road and yet refuse to use bike paths because they might be similarly inconvenienced, well, I think you need to reconsider how you're looking at this).
Looks like you just told him. Strong work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki
Thanks, buddy!! And GTFO of the middle of the road!Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
Nah. When I tried that the result was an ill-advised pass by an idiot in a Prius facing down oncoming traffic down a blind hill. Taking the dead center has been a stronger signal that there's traffic over the hill. It's a small sample but so far the results say using the middle of the road is the more reliable signal. Safe is polite.
Amsterdam is not NYC, but it's metro area is around 2.5 million, which puts it close to a top 20 metro area in the US. There are parts of Amsterdam that look a lot like US cities (see Amsterdam skyscrapers below). And while Amsterdam and Copenhagen are the gold standards in biking infrastructure, even in places like Paris have much higher bicycling commuting numbers than even the most bike friendly US cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Reason US doesn't bike like Amsterdam is all culture, not eminent domain laws. US lives in the biggest, most spread-out houses on earth. We hate each other, all want our own slice of heaven in the woods, and love driving our massive SUVs everywhere we go. This is never changing because we are assholes (see posters in this thread and US vaccination rates).
In Amsterdam, all types of people bike regardless of how shitty the weather is (and Amsterdam has some terrible weather). I remember seeing a dude on a bike in Vondelpark in street cloths, smoking a cigarette, texting, all while holding an umbrella (multi-tasking just like American car commuters). Soccer moms there pick up six kids via cargo bike, not a mini-van. I flew out of the Amsterdam airport and the bicycle parking for the park and ride to take the train to the airport is covered and massive. Even in pro-biking places like Seattle the bicycle parking at transit park and rides is pathetic. With the increase in E-biking, there is no reason American cities shouldn't put all their focus on bike commuting, regardless of weather and hills (but we won't because assholes).
https://www.dutchcycling.nl/images/Cover.jpg
Amsterdam sky scrapers
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I don't think it's all culture, although that's clearly a pretty big part of it. Amsterdam is flat as Kid Rock's haircut--places like NYC and Boston have real hills, and I could be wrong but I do believe the climate there is much more temperate (again, NE U.S. has tons of sleet, rain, winter days that get below 20F and summer days with unbearable humidity even when not exercising).Quote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
Question: when a bike commuter in Amsterdam gets to the office after biking 5+ miles through skunky humidity and heat, sweaty as fuck and smelling like ass, what does he/she do? I've never worked somewhere where anyone biked regardless of weather, so this has always been a mystery to me. Some people reek anyway, so I'd hate to be in a room with them after a tough ride.
I believe it is also more difficult to make a place like NYC truly bike friendly with the existing infrastructure--even very simple road projects here can take decades. NYC has a population density that is about 7x what exists in Amsterdam (which is part of why road projects here are a nightmare--try inserting a lane into a road that already carries 6 lanes of traffic 24/7 that already has lanes narrower than anyplace else in the U.S. with no extra space to be found). I am going to guess that Boston proper also has much higher population density than a place like Amsterdam. Not saying you couldn't do some of what Amsterdam has managed (how long did it take them, BTW?), but I think it was a vastly easier lift over there.
Well, yeah, but...hmmm. Might have to just agree.Quote:
US lives in the biggest, most spread-out houses on earth. We hate each other, all want our own slice of heaven in the woods, and love driving our massive SUVs everywhere we go. This is never changing because we are assholes (see posters in this thread and US vaccination rates).
Or, and I'm just throwing this out there, we could just ban Priuses?Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
US has spent 100 years catering to cars instead of pedestrians and cyclist. Even if we try, it won't change quickly. Tokyo is one of the most bicycle friendly cities on earth and has a high population density. It has an advantage over NYC in that it was mostly built after WWII. Japanese are ok being crammed on top of one another and walking, biking, and taking transit everywhere. Americans, not so much.
Days of Precipitation:
NYC: 118
Amsterdam: 217
Lowest low average:
NYC: 27 F January
Amerstdam: 32F January
Existing infrastructure:
This is the intransigence I’m talking about. Close down every tenth block and make them greenways except for delivery traffic. Watch as walking and biking explodes because people feel safer and there’s less noise.
Plowing can be done with a quad rather than a giant truck.
Bikes and pedals don’t tear up roads like cars and trucks so very limited ongoing maintenance costs.
Save money on your existing roads because more people are walking and riding
Incentivize businesses to offer bike lockers and showers for commuters.
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Originally Posted by altasnob
Hey! Maybe we could skip the whole eminent domain bit and just firebomb the fuck out of our cities to make things more convenient for road bikers?
That 1 F for Amsterdam has to be 1 C. It doesn't get that cold there. It is like London weather.
Ha, highangle thinks bike infrastructure in urban areas involves mass implementation of eminent domain against private property owners. There is plenty of room in the right of way of you reprioritize the space towards pedestrians and bicycles.
Was eminent domain used to construct any roads?
Asking for a friend.
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Originally Posted by old_newguy
Oh sure there is. If you don't know what you're talking about.
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Seeing the bike parking in Amsterdam with thousands of identical black commuter bikes all I could think was how do you find your bike.
The cyclists in Amsterdam don't seem to break a sweat--they cruise along easily, looking at their phones, with umbrella in the other hand as someone said.
We only saw the old center of Amsterdam; I don't know what it's like in the business part.
Re the temp, the woman who owned our hotel told us the canals haven't frozen since the 60's.
If you have a chance, go to Amsterdam for Kings Day (4/27) for a great party. Just don't plan to arrive, leave, or see any tourist sites that day.
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Originally Posted by frorider
It's so simple. All you have to do is come up with a good form letter to send to the 15,697 owners of your proposed bike path route, telling them you're going to take their lands and put them to a better use: new bike paths to give road bikers something else to sneer at as they ride on the roads.
@dex, in PDX, people shower, get coffee & then sit down to work
Even cycling folks don’t like smelling other cyclists at work
In cities with cycling expectations, buildings are being developed with showering facilities
Old buildings obviously are missing those sorts of public facilities
"Public showers" lol like that shit's free and self-cleaning and wouldn't attract homeless ppl and everyone can just have showers at work as part of their compensation because their bosses don't have to pay for it anyway...It's like the climbing gym, potted plants, and security staff - just comes with the building at no cost to anyone!Quote:
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keep diggingQuote:
Originally Posted by highangle
it's already a thing, despite your ignorance
Wait. CuntyFossilgonewild thinks you’d need to take property for bike infrastructure? Fool, they take up less room.
That's what he's afraid of.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Don’t argue with Dexter! He’s a New Yorker, that’s akin to being a demigod!Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
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I agree with almost everything you said and would add that cars kill well over 100 people every year in nyc. Bikes kill a person once a decade. Amsterdam is way warmer in the winter though, and with less snow. I don't know where you pull 1F from as a low, it's never that cold. 1C as an average low on a cold year, maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
You are correct. I fixed itQuote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
Don’t you live in the most subsidized state in the country? I’m paying for your sorry ass to pretend to be a frontiersman. What a jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by highangle
Edit- sorry you’re number two. This is pathetic given your posting here.
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The BO thing is a red herring. Have you ever waited in a subway station in Manhattan in the summer? That's sweatier than I would get biking in to work in Portland, and I never heard that people thought it was necessary to grab a shower once you get off the subway train.
Depends.
Also, if more than 5 individuals sans residence, bet yer sweet, sweet ass they be latherin' up.
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Originally Posted by Falcon3
You mean like the liquidation of the Krakow Ghetto?
"No no! We'll just ask them nicely to move off of our green space. And of course they'll happily go find someplace else to locate their homes and businesses, so that America can be more like Frisia."
Even the bike shops?
It won't be because they're unemployed and homeless after you closed their homes and businesses down to make room for your greenspaces?Quote:
Watch as walking and biking explodes because people feel safer and there’s less noise.
Oh that's right! They can just build new houses outside the cities and have their businesses online. Brilliant!
Just like Canada!Quote:
Plowing can be done with a quad rather than a giant truck.
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Bikes and pedals don’t tear up roads like cars and trucks so very limited ongoing maintenance costs. Save money on your existing roads because more people are walking and riding
Incentivize businesses to offer bike lockers and showers for commuters.
Can't we just decimate the part of the population that carries the genes for extreme stank? Kill 2 birds [and 10% of the population] with that move. Lots more room to explore the possibilities of those tall downhill gears...
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Originally Posted by dunfree
Par for the course for road bikers...
And I love how road biking Mags jumped in to defend, diffuse, and minimize - 'How can they be expected to know there was an any one behind them as they wobble up the middle of the paved Colorado Route 13?'
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...'Oh it was obviously a tour group of newbs!' Oh yeah, a bunch of fat women paying $$ to ride road bikes 9 miles up a hill at 10,000' elevation... hahahaha I bet they were burnin' it on their way to run the 4 Pass Loop while they had a free afternoon...:tongue:
Nobody ever said it was one group of typical road bikers. What they did say was: Not One Road Biker Pulled Over To Let An Emergency Vehicle With Flashing Lights Pass
Highangle is on a roll today. He'll Show them gay Dutch transvestite roadbikers what a real frontier spirit is! They ain't gonna get his roads! And I like that you shouldn't build showering facilities because they attract homeless people. Remembering Anchorage: That's also his argument against public transportation..I guess.
He reminds me of the bearded camouflage guy standing on his pickup truck, automatic rifle in hand ( sorry no idea about what it was as I'm a communist Euro without riflian knowledge) next to a bridge when we* drove up to hatchers pass guarding the real Alaska from the wimps and posers.
*Not the actual we, but The Swiss guy we met up at hatchers pass whose Alaskan friends told him he doesn't have to stop because that " is just some random guy guarding Alaska..he's there quite often".
It's Hatcher Pass, touron.
Hope your Swiss confrere got some nice pics from the parking area.
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Hasn't it been renamed: happy road bikers recreational park?
Oh dear real Alaska has been californicated and the Sierra pedantry has reached Hatcher Pass
Way too much gravel for road bikers.Quote:
Originally Posted by subtle plague
Phew, fortunately gravel bikes aren't a thing!