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They told us 21 and 21 -so just under a month and a half for 95% efficiency. Still have to wear all the PPE though since you can still carry and spread without it. Our ID Doc is thinking early 2022 before we will be able to reduce the mask use, that is as long as the majority of the populous steps up and gets vaccinated.
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12ish days after first shot looks to be when immunity ramps up.
Sorry but you’re overqualified.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmDoc80
Reference puregravity’s posts if you want to see what level we’re generally at.
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Originally Posted by nest
This guy gets it
Did I miss something? My understanding is that whether vaccines protect against asymptomatic infections and transmission is unknown. Apparently there is some evidence that the Moderna vaccine MIGHT protect against them.https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...-covid-vaccine If it does it is likely that Pfizer's vaccine does as well, but that would have to be separately proven. Even if they do protect I do agree that masks and PPE should be worn by HCW's and masks by the public--neither vaccine is 100% effective and as a public health measure mask wearing is much more effective if it is and is perceived to be universal. And I have no desire to find myself in a store with a maskless 20 something claiming to be vaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by prsboogie
As I mentioned before there is at least one inhaled vaccine somewhere in the testing stage that might more directly address the asymptomatic transmission issue. If successful and if there is significant endemic spread I could see people getting both vaccinea. In the 50's the Salk oral polio vaccine was given to people who had already had the injectable Salk vaccine. We lined up in the school gym for the Sabin.
I was listening today on NPR about the guys who figured out how to get mRNA to produce stable spike proteins--previously isolated spike proteins would not maintain their shape. (The physical shape of proteins is important to their function.) They were working on MERS. They submitted to every journal they could think of were rejected by all of them. When Covid came around someone they had known remembered their work and the rest is history (or will be history in the future).
Interesting about the mRNA protein scientists. Sounds like the Nobel in medicine is coming their way.
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I don't think your missed anything. I believe he was assuming there will be a portion that will not vaccinate and remain susceptible. And yes nothing is 100%. He was also probably trying to lower the expectations that we would be able to stop wearing masks at work for the general patient population which had been discussed during our conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
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I don't really understand this part - how can you carry the virus if you have immunity? Wouldn't an immune person be by definition virus-free? I can see that an immune person could get exposed and there might be a window where the virus exists between that exposure and when the immune system counteracts it, is that what you're talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by prsboogie
edit: note to self: read to the end, then post
Lol'd- there is just a lot of uncertainty and variables with all this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ötzi
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Wife unit got blasted this morning at 6:45. So far, only mild hallucinations.
Saw this on one of my gun boards.
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I don't even know how ER docs fit in the skiing between the overseas vacations.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Was able to get the Pfizer vaccine after skiing this morning. They have a list at the hospital but there are a lot of no shows. My woman is a pharmacist and she texted me they were taking a few walk ins. So far so good. Hope in six weeks I can feel a little safer at work dealing with COVID patients and unknowns.
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Otzi--people harbor bacteria and viruses in lots of places, but especially nose and throat and intestinal tract. The bacteria can live and replicate there without harming the host or they can penetrate the lining and infect and harm the host. An injectable vaccine can theoretically not reach or produce immunity in the cells lining the nose, throat, or intestine, so the virus in question can live there despite the vaccine and eventually be spread to other people. The vaccine does produce immunity that keeps the virus from spreading beyond the nose, throat, or gut. So in the case of Covid--a vaccine could potentially allow the virus to live in the nose and be spread from there to another person, but not get any deeper in the host and make them sick. Does that make sense?
Glad to hear you got shot; you might have some 'splainin' to do tonight when you get home, however ......."my woman"??? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
At least MU didn’t say his “little woman.”Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
And for the record...said “woman” was a guinea pig for Pfizer. [emoji1360]
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Got part one of the Pfizer vaccine last Wednesday. Nothing of note so far. We will see once round two happens.
I mean, it holds together, it's not gibberish. I guess I would wonder how long a virus can remain viable in such a situation but I'm sure it varies.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
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I don't know the answer, but this article might. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3760236/Quote:
Originally Posted by ötzi
I just glanced at it briefly.
I should have told you to look it up. That's what I did with my residents when they asked me questions I didn't know the answer to. Important with residents to never display ignorance, regardless of how ignorant you actually are.
I believe in most cases the immune system in the upper respiratory tract clears the coronavirus in a week or so--hence the recommended period of isolation for people who test positive. Maybe there are chronic carriers who shed virus for a long time; I haven't read about that one way or the other.
One example from the bacterial world is MRSA--methicillin resistant staph. Some people carry this bacterium in their noses and if they are HCW's can infect their patients while never getting infected themselves. Or they can remain asymptomatic until they have some other health event like an operation and the bacteria in their noses infect their incisions or their lungs. When HCW's or patients are identified as MRSA carriers they are sometimes given an antibiotic nasal ointment to get rid of it.
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ModeRNA shot 1 complete
Nice. Congrats!Quote:
Originally Posted by wkd-rdr
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Mrs Dromond got the first dose at the hospital today. Phew....
What he said. We swab and test every patient coming into my ICU for MRSA, and treat them (and isolate) as said if they are positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
And yeah, it can turn into one hell of a nasty opportunistic infection. Usually in people who are unknowingly colonized.
Me too. Noon yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by wkd-rdr
No side effects, arm barely sore.
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Originally Posted by MiddleOfNight
Arm is quite sore, had some aches last night. Gone today though.
One week out from the first, 4 days of a bad Charlie horse at the site and headache on day one, no other symptoms. Wifey had hers on Tuesday- she had the headaches along with chills and low grade fevers 99.8 max. Woke up fine this morning except for the site discomfort. Can't wait for number two in January.
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So far it (mostly) sounds less painful than the current 2 shot shingles vaccination.
Wife got hers this morning. Pfizer dose. I’m jealous to be honest.
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Yeah that mofo hurt for days.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
Not sure which one my buddy got but he has had Covid and his first dose knocked him back to feeling like he had it again.
Global causal COVID Deaths at this time:
1,756,064
Global causal COVID Vaccine deaths:
0
My dad was able to sign up to get the Pfizer vaccine on Tuesday morning. He was surprised he was able to get it so soon, but I'm relieved.
What state? How old?Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
He's a 62 year old practicing Ophthalmologist in New Jersey. Pretty hard to do eye exams without putting your face in close proximity to someone else's.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
He still can't find N95's to purchase though, FWIW. Fortunately for him, my previous employer had several thousand of them, and nobody I used to work with was interested in using them. And don't talk to me about that KN95 bullshit. Unless they're NIOSH certified, you might as well use a pair of fishnet stockings for a mask.
day 2 arm was more sore, but only if I pushed on the site. Soreness gone now.Quote:
Originally Posted by wkd-rdr
I wish I woulda monitored temp, but since I didn't notice anything I assume it was fine. We didn't get antibody tests, I dunno if I ever had covid.
A couple of the other guys felt sick, got a fever, one guy said he got some hives or something.
I thought I heard the second shot was more likely to show symptoms, so we'll see, I think jan21 is my appt for #2.
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Originally Posted by glademaster
N95 with NIOSH cert available here: https://mqdirect.com/collections/face-masks. Quick ship from time of order.
Not the least expensive out there, make in China.
Still got shortages ? I can buy masks in the safeway grocery lineup in the rack next to the people magazine, som kind of red cross fundraiser 5 for 8$
Harley Commodity is not on the CDC list of NIOSH approved N95's as of November.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody Famous
In April the CDC--not NIOSH-- tested Harley Commodity KN95's and found that 10 masks tested met or exceeded the 95% filtration standard. They noted that the respirators tested had ear loops--ie poor fit. The ones in the picture have head bands--better.
Caveat emptor.
World is closing in on 100 million cases.
Oops wrong thread. Oh well.