To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

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03-15-2022, 02:22 PM
SumJongGuy

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

Same here. Those countries that tried got screwed by the rest of us disease-ridden vermin who couldn't get our shit together.

Those countries that tried zero-covid demonstrated containment of outbreaks several times, starting with Wuhan. The Olympics showed containment of omicron - ended with no cases. My guess is China's current "surge" is due to omicron. That means they've been able to control covid internally. Without reintroductions from the plague-world covid would die.

NBA Bubble FTW!
03-15-2022, 03:16 PM
bodywhomper

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Cdc just published on wastewater surveillance. 15% of the sites have a >1000% increase in detection of covid mRNA on 15-day average. Is this the trigger to start instituting new guidelines or mandates or rhetoric to the public? https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...r-surveillance

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Originally Posted by old goat

No. If cases, hospitalizations, and deaths start rising again it's time to start reinstituting measures, well before the hospitals and ICU's are full.

So reinstitute now?
03-15-2022, 03:19 PM
Adolf Allerbush

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

Same here. Those countries that tried got screwed by the rest of us disease-ridden vermin who couldn't get our shit together.

Those countries that tried zero-covid demonstrated containment of outbreaks several times, starting with Wuhan. The Olympics showed containment of omicron - ended with no cases. My guess is China's current "surge" is due to omicron. That means they've been able to control covid internally. Without reintroductions from the plague-world covid would die.

I agree with you both...but I can't imagine a scenario where Chinese style lockdowns or even NZ style would fly with folks here in the US.
03-15-2022, 04:23 PM
old goat

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

I agree with you both...but I can't imagine a scenario where Chinese style lockdowns or even NZ style would fly with folks here in the US.

I can't imagine even a simple mandate being enforced--like universal N95 mask wearing.
03-15-2022, 04:41 PM
skiJ

8600 deaths last week ;
37000 cases reported in the us-of-a ;

a couple weeks ago one of our trolls posted,
' why mask to save a few thousand lives '

I agree with goat ( unless death rates go way up ) - mandates are over, and we will live with a disease that is moderately (?) pathologic Because we are not willing to be inconvenienced.

I feel sorry for our species - the early twenty-first century has not been our 'finest hour(s)' ...

Please, Be vaccinated - and boostered. tj
03-15-2022, 07:37 PM
The SnowShow

To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

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Originally Posted by glademaster

Only if you’re a pathetically weak-willed twat.

Bring back the full lockdowns. I’ve never experienced a happier time than March and April, 2020 when the world was moving at the pace it should be. That time period showcased how we have built an entire society around superfluous, despicably consumptive activities.

Is the US, we weren’t really locked down but I agree. I loved that time of slow pace, quiet streets and less pollution.
03-15-2022, 10:28 PM
old goat

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Is the US, we weren’t really locked down but I agree. I loved that time of slow pace, quiet streets and less pollution.

So did I but I have the luxury of being retired. Now maybe there's a way to slow things down, calm things down, make sure everyone has a living wage and a roof over their head whether they're working or not and we all get by with less stuff and find our pleasures at home or walking distance from it. As if.
03-16-2022, 04:43 AM
riser4

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Originally Posted by old goat

So did I but I have the luxury of being retired. Now maybe there's a way to slow things down, calm things down, make sure everyone has a living wage and a roof over their head whether they're working or not and we all get by with less stuff and find our pleasures at home or walking distance from it. As if.

Sign me up
03-16-2022, 06:11 AM
eleeskiing

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Originally Posted by riser4

Sign me up

Universal Basic Income.
Jack Dorsey (the tech who founder isn’t obsessed with penis rockets in sub orbit) is starting to fund this. Hopefully it gains momentum.
03-16-2022, 07:57 AM
riser4

Uhuhuhuhuh you said penis huhuhuhuhuh
03-16-2022, 06:04 PM
Whiteroom_Guardian

I feel like maybe we need a separate long covid thread?

I don't know what to think at this point. About two months out and symptoms keep flaring. Yesterday I felt amazing and trained hard. By 10pm the chest pains were back. Today I'm a wreck. Walking up the stairs and I feel like fainting. Chest feels like there's someone sitting on me. Fuck.

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03-16-2022, 06:12 PM
leroy jenkins

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Originally Posted by riser4

I'm the only one who thought, and still thinks, that the whole world should have done zero-covid?

Yea thatd be great. I dont think you're the only one who thinks the whole world should be peace love rainbows and unicorns.
03-16-2022, 06:15 PM
Whiteroom_Guardian

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

Go to your doc. Consider holter, echo, stress echo. Consider repeat labs (trop, BNP, d-dimer, crp) - probably all normal.

Hard to imagine a significant cardiac pathology that allows for training hard/feeling good, then flaring back. Hard to imagine any definitive post covid pathology that is paroxysmal unless something like a-fib RVR/SVT. Take your pulse when symptomatic. If regular and < 100 at rest, wouldn't worry about it. Holter will identify paroxysmal arrhythmia.

I honestly don't think my doc will do much at this point. This is all so new. Lots of anecdotal evidence out there now though.

I think I posted in this thread a couple weeks ago how exercise felt like it "released" more covid in my body....don't know how else to explain it.

Then I just read this today.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/exerc...hletes-5195661

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03-16-2022, 06:44 PM
zion zig zag

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

Go to your doc. Consider holter, echo, stress echo. Consider repeat labs (trop, BNP, d-dimer, crp) - probably all normal.

Hard to imagine a significant cardiac pathology that allows for training hard/feeling good, then flaring back. Hard to imagine any definitive post covid pathology that is paroxysmal unless something like a-fib RVR/SVT. Take your pulse when symptomatic. If regular and < 100 at rest, wouldn't worry about it. Holter will identify paroxysmal arrhythmia.

You’ve become way smarter since the days we toured together. I could almost keep up with the medical talk back then ;)
03-16-2022, 06:51 PM
Trackhead

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

You’ve become way smarter since the days we toured together. I could almost keep up with the medical talk back then ;)

Dumber, as evidenced by the fact I still work in healthcare.
03-16-2022, 07:14 PM
zion zig zag

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

Dumber, as evidenced by the fact I still work in healthcare.

Lol
03-16-2022, 07:30 PM
bodywhomper

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

Also little evidence that masking in school kids does fuck all. I'll spare you the citations.

Don’t spare. I’m game
03-16-2022, 09:40 PM
old goat

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

I honestly don't think my doc will do much at this point. This is all so new. Lots of anecdotal evidence out there now though.

I think I posted in this thread a couple weeks ago how exercise felt like it "released" more covid in my body....don't know how else to explain it.

Then I just read this today.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/exerc...hletes-5195661

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I don't anything about long covid or the protein in question. I do know that people recovering from surgery or significant illnesses frequently overdo activity and relapse the next day. My advice is always to resume activity gradually and base exercise level on how you feel the day after, not how you feel during. The article you cite seems to reinforce that advice for covid.

I wouldn't think badly of your doctor if they don't order a lot of tests. I can't remember if you've already had your oxygen saturation checked--I would get a pulse oximeter from a pharmacy and check it after exercise and also when you're feeling bad. Hint about using a pulse oximeter--don't hold your breath (duh, but I have to remind myself), if the number is low take a couple of deep breaths and cough a couple of times to fully expand your lungs, and do it sitting up or tanding. You want to see a number in the high 90's depending on your altitude and it shouldn't fall with exercise.
03-16-2022, 11:08 PM
bobz

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Originally Posted by Not DJSapp

Their approach made sense. Shut out the world until vaccines roll out and they get 90% + of the population vaccinated. Then when a more spreadable and less deadly variant shows up that makes folks only mildly ill, crack the door open and let that one in. Only a few deaths and they move on. 400k cases and only 102 deaths out of 5 million people is pretty fucking amazing. California is still over 100 deaths PER DAY.

That and when your whole country looks like the lord of the rings and you have some kickass skiing, locking the front door for a while and enjoying it isn't the worst idea either.

Thanks (and to The AD). Yeah, they did well overall, even if the global reality finally broke through. That, and they spent the bulk of the past two years being able to skip through the glades without anyone (other than at the airport Customs desk) needing to worry too much about Covid.
03-16-2022, 11:22 PM
bodywhomper

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

You can start your descent down the rabbit hole here.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=4046809

It’s not surprising results for children age 5 and 6. Anything with a larger age range or kids wearing good fitting masks?
03-17-2022, 12:55 AM
jono

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

It’s not surprising results for children age 5 and 6. Anything with a larger age range or kids wearing good fitting masks?

I just scanned through but didn't see any discussion of the difference in testing for two cohorts that were fundamentally identified as different. One being subject to a mandate and the other was not--among what other differences? Is that discussed someplace?

The slight differences certainly are not surprising, and given how small they were the different treatment of the two groups seems likely to dominate.
03-17-2022, 07:18 AM
SumJongGuy

I suspect that decreased pulmonary performance might be a long term post COVID thing for lots of people.. But the folks who notice it most are the ones who are most active and exercise regularly like WRG. I feel similar things too but I chalk it up to just getting older and not doing as much as I did a couple years back.. But, who knows..
03-17-2022, 07:27 AM
Trackhead

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

I suspect that decreased pulmonary performance might be a long term post COVID thing for lots of people.. But, who knows..

Post covid asymptomatic lung pathology a few weeks out is not uncommon, often incidental finding. More common in unvaccinated. We see post covid pulmonary fibrosis, but universally almost all are elderly, largely unvaccinated. Yes, it can happen in younger, but again, more of a burden with the obese and/or elderly. Subject of topic is otherwise healthy, assuming vaccinated, low disease burden, would be uncommon finding.
03-17-2022, 08:08 AM
Whiteroom_Guardian

My pulse ox was 94% when I was at the doc a few weeks ago. "Normal" for me was always like 98%. Does 4% difference even mean anything really?
03-17-2022, 08:16 AM
Whiteroom_Guardian

And yes I'm vax + boost. FWIW the first vax shot in Feb of 2021 destroyed me for 10 days....with many of these same lingering sypmtoms I have now from actually getting covid. After that first shot I was having the chest pains, palpitations etc for weeks. I'm not anti vax at all, but I guess I just have that kind of immune system?

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