To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

Wife unit has the option to take the Pfizer vaccination. She is a health care worker, a case manager, on a respiratory floor. Patients get diagnosed and sent to the COVID unit. She does not have direct patient contact care. Visits rooms occasionally and sets up discharge plans/orders, etc.

Using my google-physician skills, who the hell knows the answer to this one.

PA student daughter says, hell no, rushed through production, rushed trials, after effects unknown, effectiveness unknown. Don't do it.

My suggestion was let some others take it first, see what happens.

Side effects are negligible to fairly severe. Depending on the study, 2%-15% suffer side effects. Mostly minor, but there are exceptions.

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I would hope a health care worker has a treating doctor who she trusts. That seems like a much better source of information than some jongs on a ski forum.

Are the side effects less severe than dying of COVID?

Shoot the hostage?

Question 1
Do you love your wife?

Question 2
You're a lawyer and you don't want part of that class action money?

I wish that I could get it next week, rather than wait until April, or July.

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Originally Posted by east or bust

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Pretty much!!!!

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Originally Posted by TNKen

Wife unit has the option to take the Pfizer vaccination. She is a health care worker, a case manager, on a respiratory floor. Patients get diagnosed and sent to the COVID unit. She does not have direct patient contact care. Visits rooms occasionally and sets up discharge plans/orders, etc.

Using my google-physician skills, who the hell knows the answer to this one.

PA student daughter says, hell no, rushed through production, rushed trials, after effects unknown, effectiveness unknown. Don't do it.

My suggestion was let some others take it first, see what happens.

Side effects are negligible to fairly severe. Depending on the study, 2%-15% suffer side effects. Mostly minor, but there are exceptions.

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I guess the question is, are your chances of being f#$% by the vaccine greater than your chances of being f#$%%!!! by the virus?
If it is a 1 in 22 chance to get infected (current USA total), with little to no symptoms, or a small chance of dying 1 in 1143 (mostly seniors), then ....
it probably makes sense to get the jab (eventually, after the first set of guinea pigs gets it!).
If you are planning on having children, or are pregnant, or smart, or educated, or in any other way public-relations-government-media-compromised, you may need to post a POLL on TGR to find your best options.

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Originally Posted by cravenmorhead

I would hope a health care worker has a treating doctor who she trusts. That seems like a much better source of information than some jongs on a ski forum.

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Reason!
Nuance!
you must not be from around here....

I’m getting it as soon as it’s available as a health care worker. Side effects are roughly the same as flu vaccine.


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Originally Posted by TNKen

Wife unit has the option to take the Pfizer vaccination. She is a health care worker, a case manager, on a respiratory floor. Patients get diagnosed and sent to the COVID unit. She does not have direct patient contact care. Visits rooms occasionally and sets up discharge plans/orders, etc.

Using my google-physician skills, who the hell knows the answer to this one.

PA student daughter says, hell no, rushed through production, rushed trials, after effects unknown, effectiveness unknown. Don't do it.

My suggestion was let some others take it first, see what happens.

Side effects are negligible to fairly severe. Depending on the study, 2%-15% suffer side effects. Mostly minor, but there are exceptions.

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No! She should abstain from all vaccines, spoon the COVID patients, and make sure to sneeze on your food

Let us know how it works out.

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Wow, as a healthcare worker I would have assumed she'd be required to get it.

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Originally Posted by The AD

Wow, as a healthcare worker I would have assumed she'd be required to get it.

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Remember - it's Tennessee. Freedumbs.

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Originally Posted by puregravity

Pretty much!!!!






I guess the question is, are your chances of being f#$% by the vaccine greater than your chances of being f#$%%!!! by the virus?
If it is a 1 in 22 chance to get infected (current USA total), with little to no symptoms, or a small chance of dying 1 in 1143 (mostly seniors), then ....
it probably makes sense to get the jab (eventually, after the first set of guinea pigs gets it!).
If you are planning on having children, or are pregnant, or smart, or educated, or in any other way public-relations-government-media-compromised, you may need to post a POLL on TGR to find your best options.

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What about your chances of getting covid and being symptomatic for 4-5 weeks? What about your chances of getting covid and getting permanent heart and/or lung damage? What about your chances of not having symptoms and not dying from a covid infection but then giving it to someone that dies...or has heart damage for life etc etc.

What about the chances of people who pass themselves off as smart continuing to pose this as a “you’re unlikely to die so what’s the big deal?” binary problem?

Last time I read a post by the OP he was freaking out because buses full of ANTIFA were headed to his small town, so not surprised to find out he is an anti-vaxxer.


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i'm signed up to get it here pretty soon. i'm pretty sure all first responders in my county have to get it so not really a choice. it'll probably be fine.

In a hospital with a shared HVAC system with the infected? I'd get it in a heartbeat if I could. I'm further down the line as essential construction and fully intend to get the shot from whomever is available when my number is called. I want my covid passport.

This isn't some fly-by-night homebrewed snake oil. My neighbor works in (Big Pharma, but his company doesn't have a vax through stage 3 yet) local billion manufacturing plant as a director of quality. They take this shit damn seriously. Rushed to production typically means it's not the most efficient, most cost effective that it could be in their world. Pfizer's needs to be kept super cold and has a short shelf life. That's because it was rushed and not optimized. They know it's more important to get this distributed and fast because they need ~16 billion doses. If they make $2 on each, $32 billion in profits is a good year.

Yeah, we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine, but we also don't know the long term effects of hormonal birth control either (we're really close though! It is 60 years old this year!), or the chicken pox vaccine (about 30 years old).

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Originally Posted by The Tortoise

Are the side effects less severe than dying of COVID?

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Could be same for many, too soon to tell

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Originally Posted by The AD

Wow, as a healthcare worker I would have assumed she'd be required to get it.

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Mrs. Bimble works at a hospital in the lab. Her employer is not requiring it and she's not taking it at this point.

I work remotely for 2 large health care providers, one is the largest private employer in that particular state. Neither are requiring their employees take it.

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Originally Posted by Harry

Last time I read a post by the OP he was freaking out because buses full of ANTIFA were headed to his small town, so not surprised to find out he is an anti-vaxxer.


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Boom.

Well this thread just goes to show how totally fucked this country is. If we have the vaccine and people (fucking health care workers!) refuse to take it, we might as well just go survival of the fittest and let millions die off. Jesus fucking Christ everybody take the damn vaccine so we can get back to a normal fucking life!


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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Boom.

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"My suggestion was let some others take it first, see what happens."

Yeah that sounds like an ANTI-vax statement.....

This is a trick question.

No way his wife defers the consideration let alone the decision to him.

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Originally Posted by Harry

Last time I read a post by the OP he was freaking out because buses full of ANTIFA were headed to his small town, so not surprised to find out he is an anti-vaxxer.

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Looks like he raised his kids to be equally kooky...

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PA student daughter says, hell no, rushed through production, rushed trials, after effects unknown, effectiveness unknown. Don't do it.

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I hope she fails PA school. Seriously. OP is a Dr. of internet medicine but his kid girl is actually going to real school for real medicine and that's what she believes? Scary.

With it being this rushed will the nano-bots embedded in it be able to communicate with Bill Gates effectively? Will it work without a nationwide 5g connection????????

If TNK were a rabid anti vaxxer (pun intended), he wouldn’t have started this thread in the first place.

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Originally Posted by frorider

If TNK were a troll, he would have started this thread in the first place.

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fify

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Originally Posted by BobMc

With it being this rushed will the nano-bots embedded in it be able to communicate with Bill Gates effectively? Will it work without a nationwide 5g connection????????

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they better use ipv6

Does this mean I need a new Phone?

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Originally Posted by Bunion 2020

Does this mean I need a new Phone?

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nah, you can just voip over your vaccine.

My initial thinking is that it should be like the flu shot - if you're worried about catching it, get the shot, if not, don't. In reality most people will eventually be forced to get it one way or another. Employer could require it (and can legally fire you for refusing). Health insurance companies can require it, or jack up your premium if you don't get it. There will probably be many businesses requiring documentation of having the vaccine if you want to use their services, such as airlines, large concerts or sporting events, perhaps indoor dining.
I find it absolutely absurd that anyone would voluntarily take it right now with how little we know about it. We don't know if it will be effective for more than a few months. We don't know much about side effects, and nothing beyond a few months. We still don't know if it will prevent transmission. Effects during pregnancy. On children. When combined with other medications. I'm personally not too concerned about catching the covid, I'm more concerned about potentially passing it on to someone else with a weaker immune system. I'll take reasonable precautions, but I'd rather not be a guinea pig. That said, see first paragraph. At some point, I'll probably have to get it and hope for the best.

Was it rushed?
Is it safe?

https://coronavirus.medium.com/are-t...e-3a399a9bd8a0

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Originally Posted by mmmm...pow!

On children.

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It hasn't been given/tested on children so you are correct on that.

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Originally Posted by bennymac

Was it rushed?
Is it safe?

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I mean they totally skipped the animal testing phase and went straight to testing on humans... which is the only reason we don’t currently have a mRNA vaccine - they’ve never been able to get past the animal testing phases which were conveniently skipped to make this vaccine.

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I mean they totally skipped the animal testing phase and went straight to testing on humans... which is the only reason we don’t currently have a mRNA vaccine - they’ve never been able to get past the animal testing phases which were conveniently skipped to make this vaccine.

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What was limiting them getting past animal phases in previous mRNA vaccine trials? That would be helpful information to interpret your response.

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Originally Posted by The AD

Wow, as a healthcare worker I would have assumed she'd be required to get it.

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This is where the rubber is gonna hit the road. Can the Gov or a company dictate what you put in your body as a condition of employment or even access.

Here come the train.

I don't know who will win in the short term. Long run "Unconstitutional" if that is even a thing anymore.

I don't think your wife is gonna get an option to not vaccinate and keep working in a Hospital

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Originally Posted by bennymac

What about your chances of getting covid and being symptomatic for 4-5 weeks? What about your chances of getting covid and getting permanent heart and/or lung damage? What about your chances of not having symptoms and not dying from a covid infection but then giving it to someone that dies...or has heart damage for life etc etc.

What about the chances of people who pass themselves off as smart continuing to pose this as a “you’re unlikely to die so what’s the big deal?” binary problem?

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We all say "But Winston Churchill smoked and rank and lived a long life". We know this is an outlier. We also know the great majority of people don't even know they got covid.

Please quantify those chances. Assume that the CDC is correct and that N-times as many people have had it as officially tested. Are the complications reasonably expected or are they statistical outliers?

I have a twinge of empathy for people like the OP who are reasonably asking "what's up?". First off, the anti-vax crowd can go fuck right off. Bye. But there is sizeable population that under normal situations, would just defer a decision to 1) their doctor's guidance 2) reinforcement by trust in the institutions 3) further reinforced by general guidance from SMEs 4) finally and unfortunately peer opinion. But with do-do dumb fuck at the helm, who has undermined any and all institutions with blatant political self-serving and corruption, furthered amplified by out of the woodwork sneaky, non-expert sycophants... one is forced to ask: did this guy and his cronies push to cut more corners than in his leaky, no fire-code-alarm, craptastic, gaudy apartment buildings? His hand is the opposite of invisible and unscrupulous enablers have taken apolitical agencies and have weaponized them.

Mind you, I believe the process bore this political weight and ultimately will have products that were competently realized. Flawless? Probably not. Least worse choice? Yes. But point being, most of us are now put into a place where a carefree trust in the institutions is not to be taken for granted and you are forced to personally scrutinize for some sort of piece of mind. Terribly inefficient, worse for adoption, ripe for exploitation.

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Originally Posted by bennymac

What was limiting them getting past animal phases in previous mRNA vaccine trials? That would be helpful information to interpret your response.

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Demand.

I got my flu shot today, so Bill Gates is already tracking my movements; might as well go all in. When available, I’ll get it.