FWIW I already had polio. It wasn't that bad. I don't see why people stress about it.
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FWIW I already had polio. It wasn't that bad. I don't see why people stress about it.
Is there newer/better data about long covid than the cdc’s report about 1 in 5 between 18(?) and 65 years of age? Among the middle-aged adults people that I was hanging out with yesterday, it was 1 in 4. 0 in 5 for the children (under 18).
Is there clear correlation between infectiousness and RAT results at the beginning of infection? Mina still pushes that symptom onset means different things if you are vaxed or previously infected versus fully naive. For those that have some immunity, “early symptoms now reflect immunity starting and ramping up, rather than virus harming.” And he’s still stating one becomes infectious/contagious after the virus begins “harming.”
I’m California, there’s still confusion about when to exit isolation. CDC says one thing, California says another (basically test to exit). Some PCP in CA are following the CDC and not the state and some counties have not updated their recs to includes the state’s newer rec. I believe this is a messaging/outreach problem. Biden announced that he’s following “test to exit,” cdc director has stated that this should still not be the cdc policy and that (apparently?) the cdc policy should not be updated based on newer data specific to current infectious variants.
Personally, I’m still not excited about getting infected. I do not have much time off available, I have fun plans, I’m not excited to spread it amongst my family. hearing my preciously(?) strong, fit, and healthy SIL describe her new struggle to swim across a short pool is opposite how I’d like to be spending my next 2+ months.
Nobody wants COVID. Everyone will get COVID.
Some people don’t seem to care if they catch it.
And therapeutics continue to improve, vax that brings mucosal immunity continue to progress in their trials, and growing observations and government acknowledgement of higher severity with reinfections for some.
Hearing from a friend who is an industry leader and decision maker , which includes close attention in ethics, that they do not have an answer for the people (including employees) that are immunocompromised about how they should be living and enjoying their life. This is somebody who establishes corporate policy that sets trends in an industry that many other industries will follow.
Still hearing from people that should know better (eg MPH), that they are glad they finally got it and got that over with, and they likely did not catch the ba.5.
And then there’s this, people with previous infection of common endemic coronavirus that are showing pre-existing immunity to covid 19: https://www.cell.com/cell-host-micro...elatedArticles
There were people who had OG rona (Wuhan-1) who then got Alpha or Beta or Gamma, and then got Delta. We had that data mid 2021. Any vestiges of the concept of 'getting it over with' should with the Omicron B.1 reinfection data out of South Africa at the end of 2021. That subvariants are escaping other subvariants calls into question the meaning of term variant.
Anyone still thinking it COVID is one-and-done, well... hope they got the flu over with too!
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As was said, therapeutics, vaccines, and cumulative immunity have largely remove the severe disease and pandemic impact threats. We have a still-rapidly-evolving unbelievably fit and transmissible airborne respiratory virus transitioning into the worlds most prevalent endemic respiratory infectious disease. How frustrating... but it is the world we find ourselves in.
I intend to minimize my chance and frequency of infection until folks like whomper's precious SIL are swimming across pools. So far very few in my circle have been infected. If I take that as 5% over 2.5 years, that's about 50-50 for one or more infections during the remainder of my life. A lot of people will get Covid but not everyone. A lot of people will get Covid many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
Your circle is better than mine. Congrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongShortLong
The literalism with which rounding errors are presented as fact is probably the leading Achilles heel of American medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
Test popped positive today in about 20 seconds. Happy Pie and Beer Day!Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
Is it really just the flu?Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Yeah, I think the take that everyone will get it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's like saying "oh well, there's nothing we can do"Quote:
Originally Posted by LongShortLong
Some people have never had old fashioned influenza. Some people haven't had food poisoning. It's possible to visit Mexico or India and not get Montezuma/Delhi Belly.
The odds aren't in your favor, but neither is the lottery, or getting drafted by a pro team, or acting in a Hollywood movie, or making a scientific breakthrough. Fatalism guarantees bad outcomes.
I dunno.
Everyone lives different lives. This shit has been going on for a long while. I think for a lot of people Summit nails it. For others probably not. So many variables.
We were among the most cautious for so long. Now, not so much. Who's to say the exact proper path forward. We debate it all the time. Covid weighs but so does raising my kids and giving them experiences.
On another note, we kind of blasted through our supply of home tests here lately, which we stocked up on and bought before the free tests were available. Went online for the free tests and judging from my inbox I have an entire truckload coming since none have come to this address yet.
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Yep. The best path forward for Americans is blunder ahead doing what we feel like, hoping that scientists and other leaders will fix any problems before they get too bad. It's worked ok for most problems, so far. Polio is gone. Missile gap, what's that? Peak oil surpassed (anybody holding barrels waiting for $200?). We used to live with smallpox. It'll be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
My crystal ball isn't as clear as yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by LongShortLong
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Probably 100% :fmicon:Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
I think it’s not really an either/or scenario in regards to the kids. I believe it is possible to raise kids while maintaining reasonable precautions, and not have their lives ruined. Most kids I know don’t seem to mind wearing masks inside, and did mostly ok with zoom school, and still manage to have friends etc. they’re way better at this than the adults I know, but the kids haven’t been fully brainwashed yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
And I didn't say it was either or I said weigh it.
Edit....deleted a bunch of shit.
I don't really have a point of view to share here. Mostly that I don't know, am probably wrong anyway, and certainly the ground we have settled on for now is completely reprehensible, unless you think just like me, which is impossible.
IndubitablyQuote:
Originally Posted by summit
No I know, just discussing one of the many unknowns we have created in this whole mess!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
We had our company's anniversary party on Friday. 100 people packed into an event space with much drinking and merrymaking. It was the first time we had the company party in 2.5 years.
Today, i have covid. My kid came down with it yesterday and i didnt start feeling symptoms till last night. I wonder how many people will be sick this week....
The possible superspreader work party, makes me think back to the potential for OSHA regs or guidance and employer-provided health insurance. I was told over the weekend by a well informed legal person to not expect anything from OSHA, even though they had a hearing last spring on COVID and the potential for developing guidance. Regarding health insurance, I wonder if the insurance industry will be reacting if their payout costs significantly increase from COVID related illnesses due to employer-sponsored events or employer policies that put staff in harms way....
I don't think anyone's got a gun to their head demanding they not wear masks in said environments.. But peer pressure is strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
There's also the pressure to sit in fish bowl conference rooms for 2 hours with 10+ other collogues where none of them are wearing masks.
Why would OSHA do anything when the SCOTUS will just shoot it down. Because Freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
Won’t scotus apply the new standard of whether it’s a “major question.” All I know is that OSHA had a public hearing and several top tier aerosol academics testified.
Sorry "COVID" is not mentioned anywhere in The Constitution so suck it libtards!Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
Scotus shot down the vaccine or test mandate already. Why wouldn't they do the same to a mask mandate or any other covid work rules. Or pretty soon any work rules of any kind that weren't enacted directly by Congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper