To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

I posted earlier that my daughter tested positive last week. She’s doing great. My wife and I have been trying to be careful, isolating as best we can and all wearing N95 masks when we are together. We’ve been testing frequently since we have a trip planned with my mom and sister starting Saturday. I tested positive 48 hours ago but am still symptom free. Hopefully it will remain that way. Wife is still negative so we remain careful. Fingers crossed that she can stay clear. She’s usually the one who gets bad colds etc and I usually get off easy. I’m double boosted FWIW and she is single boosted.


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My wife is still dealing with Covid. As she said if she didn't know about Covid she'd just think she had a bad cold. Her symptoms first started on Sunday, so she's six days into it. I've taken three rapid tests so far and every one has come back negative. Now I'm beginning to wonder if I had it first and just didn't have any symptoms. I'm crossing my fingers.

I think it was day 5 or 6 when I started sleeping in bed with the wife and stopped masking in the room with her. It all seemed ridiculous and I was losing it sleeping in the basement. I think if you haven't caught it from her by now you won't. I never did afaik but I could have given it to her like you note but most likely we both were exposed at the same time by our 6th grader.

Been over a week since the start of our weekend of throwing caution to the wind in Denver and it seems like we pulled it off. I do feel a bit sick mentally but I blame the news. Good gawd it has been awful.




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Now four for four for me on negative tests. Starting to feel (knock on wood) that I may be out of the woods.

Rode my bike 3 days in a row. Got up to about 180bpm pushing hard on a couple punchy climbs. Was feeling the chest pains again last night and shortness of breath again today. Not has bad as it was before but damn this shit is just hanging on. I'm just starting to accept this is the deal for a while and it may linger for another 6-12 months or it might not.

Gotta fly to NJ in a couple day and really not all that stoked about it.

Just heard from a friend of mine that he had Covid about three weeks ago and got it again last week. I wouldn't have thought you could get it twice within a month.

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Originally Posted by uglymoney

This looks very promising. FDA advisory committee was positive on the non tested Omicron 4/5 variant vaccine for October. So it seems very possible they do switch to the flu shot model. Fingers crossed.

Very glad I went and got the 4th OG dose. Hopefully it will roll me right into an updated version.

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...ere-getting-an

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that's what I have done and hoping the same

maybe there should be a two track recipient profile - those that believe and want to take the flu based model in regards to testing and those that don't

i really hope they have a shot out by fall for the newer variants

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Just heard from a friend of mine that he had Covid about three weeks ago and got it again last week. I wouldn't have thought you could get it twice within a month.

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Past infection does almost nothing to stop re-infection with the BA4/5 variants. This is why I am still masking indoors 99% of the time and have not gone back to pre-pandemic levels of socializing. I try to pick and choose my risk as wisely as possible.

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Past infection does almost nothing to stop re-infection with the BA4/5 variants. This is why I am still masking indoors 99% of the time and have not gone back to pre-pandemic levels of socializing. I try to pick and choose my risk as wisely as possible.

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I’m going back to kn95 indoors where ventilation sucks. Wife and I decided to do the same with risk. Accepting of some risk just pulling back from the somewhat “normal” life we had been loving for a while. 4/5 appears to wanna attack the lungs more so than the other Omicrons. No thanks.

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Rode my bike 3 days in a row. Got up to about 180bpm pushing hard on a couple punchy climbs. Was feeling the chest pains again last night and shortness of breath again today. Not has bad as it was before but damn this shit is just hanging on. I'm just starting to accept this is the deal for a while and it may linger for another 6-12 months or it might not.

Gotta fly to NJ in a couple day and really not all that stoked about it.

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While getting your heart rate up while exercising is a good way to test your heart (under controlled, monitored conditions) whether getting your heart rate up to 180 is not a sign of fitness or that your lungs are ok. It depends on the amount of effort it took to get your heart rate that high. If your HR goes to 180 with moderate to moderately hard exercise all is not well--most likely the ability of your lungs to put oxygen into your blood. See the other covid thread. Getting your heart up to an age-appropriate max is a good goal for healthy people, which it sounds like you are not, although it sounds like you are getting better.

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Just heard from a friend of mine that he had Covid about three weeks ago and got it again last week. I wouldn't have thought you could get it twice within a month.

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I mentioned this in the other thread - I had it early June and then late June. body whomper then linked good info on the new BA.5 which basically said how everyone will get it. It's contagious like measles even if you are vaxxed and double boosted, or just recovered from COVID. I highly recommend everyone to read up and be aware of it, I infected my MIL thanks to my ignorance, and I'm guessing my FIL will be positive from me, too.

It's confusing to have two of these COVID threads and not helpful when yer trying to get info out, IMO.

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While getting your heart rate up while exercising is a good way to test your heart (under controlled, monitored conditions) whether getting your heart rate up to 180 is not a sign of fitness or that your lungs are ok. It depends on the amount of effort it took to get your heart rate that high. If your HR goes to 180 with moderate to moderately hard exercise all is not well--most likely the ability of your lungs to put oxygen into your blood. See the other covid thread. Getting your heart up to an age-appropriate max is a good goal for healthy people, which it sounds like you are not, although it sounds like you are getting better.

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Yeah wish I had better past data. HR over 180 used to be only during my all out efforts. Now it seems like I hit 180 where I used to be about 165ish. My resting HR was definitely much higher yesterday (day 3 of riding) than the previous few days....and my lungs feel rough today. Slight cough again etc.

I'm starting to think that most of this has been rooted in the lungs more than I though. I can take a nice deep breath, but maybe the deep breaths just don't get the same amount of air they used too.

This is some interesting news:

https://news.westernu.ca/2022/06/inn...ovid-symptoms/

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Yeah wish I had better past data. HR over 180 used to be only during my all out efforts. Now it seems like I hit 180 where I used to be about 165ish. My resting HR was definitely much higher yesterday (day 3 of riding) than the previous few days....and my lungs feel rough today. Slight cough again etc.

I'm starting to think that most of this has been rooted in the lungs more than I though. I can take a nice deep breath, but maybe the deep breaths just don't get the same amount of air they used too.

This is some interesting news:

https://news.westernu.ca/2022/06/inn...ovid-symptoms/

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While you don't have a baseline to compare to, you can buy a spirometer for super cheap: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Teleflex-...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

But, that article you posted indicates that that it's not a gross volume problem, it's that the effectiveness of the alveolar membrane is impaired. Also, a study that involves inhaling xenon? Sign me up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3rnrcX66VE

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But, that article you posted indicates that that it's not a gross volume problem, it's that the effectiveness of the alveolar membrane is impaired.

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That's what i'm saying. For the past 6 months I've told myself, "Well I can take nice deep breaths....so it's not my lungs" The volume is there, but the membrane just isn't transferring enough oxygen. It's a possibility I guess.

The cycle of feeling great for a few days or even a week or two > getting back to normal activity > "relapsing" into the old symptoms is getting pretty old.

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The cycle of feeling great for a few days or even a week or two > getting back to normal activity > "relapsing" into the old symptoms is getting pretty old.

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I feel you. That's what my life was for a year after my head injury in Oct. 2019.

Seems like the consensus recommendation is to be very gradual about returning to exercise post COVID. I'm used to shrugging off a cold or flu and jumping back into training once the worst symptoms are over (gotta make up for lost time) but this is a different beast.

https://www.uclahealth.org/vitalsign...after-covid-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8407897/
https://www.acc.org/Latest-in-Cardio...uelae-of-COVID
https://www.theproactiveathlete.ca/g...o-get-through/

I'm recovering from COVID now (day 10), and will be trying to have patience and focus on long-term gradual strength building rather than "hurry up and get fast again". E.g. staying in zone 2, no short/hard efforts, etc.. We'll see how long that lasts once I get on the bike again.

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Seems like the consensus recommendation is to be very gradual about returning to exercise post COVID. I'm used to shrugging off a cold or flu and jumping back into training once the worst symptoms are over (gotta make up for lost time) but this is a different beast.

https://www.uclahealth.org/vitalsign...after-covid-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8407897/
https://www.acc.org/Latest-in-Cardio...uelae-of-COVID
https://www.theproactiveathlete.ca/g...o-get-through/

I'm recovering from COVID now (day 10), and will be trying to have patience and focus on long-term gradual strength building rather than "hurry up and get fast again". E.g. staying in zone 2, no short/hard efforts, etc.. We'll see how long that lasts once I get on the bike again.

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That's been the struggle. I feel great so I send it, and then feel like shit for days afterward. 7 months out.

I took the leap today. My local doc wants me to start seeing a better internal guy at the hospital. Also getting referral to cardiologist. Routine bloodwork tomorrow AM etc. I'm already in huge medical debt from shoulder injury so fuck it.

I would get the booster now and another in the fall

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Tested positive last week Wednesday, like symptoms for a week, mountain biked today, felt good. Sorry to hear other people have issues.

First covid in dec 2020, kind of the same situation.

Vaccinated, boosted twice

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I would get the booster now and another in the fall

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I don't know the science at all but there is the idea that vaccines too close together don't work as well. Whether this would apply to shots 4 and 5 and whether shot 5 being a little different matters I have no idea. Maybe Mofro is still lurking behind a rock, following this thread while being disgusted with our ignorance. If so--come on out and tell us.

Whiteroom_Guardian, have you considered contacting the Exercise & Performance Breathing Center at Jewish National in Denver? https://www.nationaljewish.org/direc...enter/overview

The director, Dr Olin, has been involved in long covid research and (I think) therapy (eg: https://www.cpr.org/show-segment/sci...cell-function/)

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Whiteroom_Guardian, have you considered contacting the Exercise & Performance Breathing Center at Jewish National in Denver? https://www.nationaljewish.org/direc...enter/overview

The director, Dr Olin, has been involved in long covid research and (I think) therapy (eg: https://www.cpr.org/show-segment/sci...cell-function/)

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I will look into it. Thank you.

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^brilliant, wifey literally lol'd