To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

I agree we shouldn't have as much contempt for people who were/are anti vax but not anti mask where required. If an individual's caregivers have genuine concerns and recommend that person NOT get jabbed they absolutely shouldn't. However, even with transmission lower, why wouldn't they still want to protect themselves and be even more pro mask personally? It seems like ricing a motorcycle or skiing without a helmet or driving without seat belts to go raw dog unvaxxed out there. People are still dying.

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Originally Posted by NW_SKIER

no one will recognize their sacrifices.

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Getting a vaccine is not a "sacrifice".

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Originally Posted by NW_SKIER

Either way, it's wholly inappropriate to deem a person's entire existence on this planet as less worthy than yours because they made a different choice than you did. That makes you the problem.

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That's not what is happening here, you know it, and that makes you just as much a part of the problem.

German man arrested after getting vaccinated against coronavirus at least 87 times to sell proof of vaccination to anti-vaxxers
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1510267843413266435

Thought I may be "out of the woods" last week as I was starting to feel better. Kept it pretty mild with two weight lifting sessions, and one 5 mile mellow hike. Symptoms have flared back in the last day or so. Shortness of breath has returned, major brain fog, even my eyesight gets a little weird, chest tightness (though not as severe as a couple weeks ago), no palpitations luckily.

Will follow up with my doc on Monday. My hunch is still that all routine tests will come back normal. As seems to be the case for many many people dealing with this potential long haul stuff.

As I have said before it just feels like the virus is still hiding in my body. Like I almost beat it and then it flares back. This is a running theory out there among some doctors/scientists. As well as the idea of microclotting causing these lasting/flaring symptoms.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Your doctor actually recommended not getting the shot because you'd had covid?

Seems odd. And contrary to the overwhelming medical opinion.

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Well, my wife's coworker had a similar conversation... Her doc said NOT to get the 2nd COVID vax WHILE she had COVID. The recommendation was to go get it 6 weeks later so she would be fully recovered and the immune system would be primed to respond to the vax instead of still fighting an already existing infection..

Perhaps one of us misunderstood or misrepresented what their doctor ACTUALLY said?? Humm...

So I picked up a cold or SFT and then I wondered if maybe I got covid so called up doc and he did me one of the tests we get for free up here and sure enough I'm positive

so far its ghost achs & pains, cough, bit of a headache, no breathing issues more like a medium cold/ flu

My allergies are flaring way early so I did my first home test this evening--negative of course. But my kid is taking me to a Golden Knights game next week--if I don't catch the covid then I'm definitely immune. I could wear a mask--I'm sure the other hockey fans will think I'm a pussy, like they did when Plante wore a mask.

Kaiser is offering 4 th shots for over 50s. Think I'll wait until 6 months from the last one--in May.

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Originally Posted by old goat

I could wear a mask--I'm sure the other hockey fans will think I'm a pussy, like they did when Plante wore a mask.

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Wear a Jason mask over the n95, they’ll be too drunk to notice.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Your doctor actually recommended not getting the shot because you'd had covid?

Seems odd. And contrary to the overwhelming medical opinion.

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This. Everything I have seen and heard said to delay the vaxx or boosters if you caught COVID, not go without, due to waning immunity and emergence of new strains.

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Originally Posted by old goat

My allergies are flaring way early so I did my first home test this evening--negative of course. But my kid is taking me to a Golden Knights game next week--if I don't catch the covid then I'm definitely immune. I could wear a mask--I'm sure the other hockey fans will think I'm a pussy, like they did when Plante wore a mask.

Kaiser is offering 4 th shots for over 50s. Think I'll wait until 6 months from the last one--in May.

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I was wondering what your thoughts were on #4.


If I wasn't going to the gym 3/week I'm might hold off, but I'm at 6 months now so I think I'll get one asap.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

Thought I may be "out of the woods" last week as I was starting to feel better. Kept it pretty mild with two weight lifting sessions, and one 5 mile mellow hike. Symptoms have flared back in the last day or so. Shortness of breath has returned, major brain fog, even my eyesight gets a little weird, chest tightness (though not as severe as a couple weeks ago), no palpitations luckily.

Will follow up with my doc on Monday. My hunch is still that all routine tests will come back normal. As seems to be the case for many many people dealing with this potential long haul stuff.

As I have said before it just feels like the virus is still hiding in my body. Like I almost beat it and then it flares back. This is a running theory out there among some doctors/scientists. As well as the idea of microclotting causing these lasting/flaring symptoms.

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Sorry you're dealing with this [emoji852]

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

Thought I may be "out of the woods" last week as I was starting to feel better. Kept it pretty mild with two weight lifting sessions, and one 5 mile mellow hike. Symptoms have flared back in the last day or so. Shortness of breath has returned, major brain fog, even my eyesight gets a little weird, chest tightness (though not as severe as a couple weeks ago), no palpitations luckily.

Will follow up with my doc on Monday. My hunch is still that all routine tests will come back normal. As seems to be the case for many many people dealing with this potential long haul stuff.

As I have said before it just feels like the virus is still hiding in my body. Like I almost beat it and then it flares back. This is a running theory out there among some doctors/scientists. As well as the idea of microclotting causing these lasting/flaring symptoms.

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Long/post Covid is real even in healthy middle aged adults. We trached a guy yesterday about a year out from Covid hospitalization. He’s been trached three times now. First time was his initial hospitalization. Second time was after he recovered and was discharged, he developed bilateral vocal cord paralysis. This time he was hospitalized for tracheal swelling and intubated. It didn’t resolve so he got another trach. He’ll go home with it this time until the inflammatory process resolved. That’s not his only post Covid issue.

Hope you get well, take it easy and take care of yourself.


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Originally Posted by riser4

This. Everything I have seen and heard said to delay the vaxx or boosters if you caught COVID, not go without, due to waning immunity and emergence of new strains.

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thats exactly what ski bro told me when i went over & got the positive covid test but he wasnt a real MD just an anesthetist

I had felt bad about pulling the plug on the DH team but something didnt feel right, being in a tuck on the race course is not the place to get dizzy, I felt somewhat vindicated to find it is Covid, 4 days in it doesnt feel any worse that a medium-ish cold, I hope it stays like that

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Originally Posted by Hopeless Sinner

I was wondering what your thoughts were on #4.


If I wasn't going to the gym 3/week I'm might hold off, but I'm at 6 months now so I think I'll get one asap.

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I don't really have my own thoughts on this. I do what the CDC and my doctor/Kaiser tells me to do. I know neither will be right all the time but they'll be right more often than wrong and right at least as much as other qualified and unqualified experts and "experts". I figure you pick your horse and ride it until it bucks you off or dies. (I had a horse die under me at summer camp. As the wussiest camper they gave me the oldest, gentlest, nearest to death horse.)

This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzErh_s62Wk

A couple days on the road around California. Two Marriott hotels with less than a third of parking lot full were “no vacancy”. Both had only one desk attendant. I think it’s a strategy to raise occupancy rates to encourage travel or they just can’t get staff to operate at 100%.

Hey @Whiteroom_guardian, theres an NYT article today that looks super similar to what you've described. Looks like there's some suggestions in the article as well as some new COVID-related terms for engaging with docs "small fiber neuropathy, etc..."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/09/w...ter-covid.html

Meanwhile in shanghai, the sound of thousands of humans collectively wailing their isolation and anguish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-XErj0xRYQ

That’s fucking terrifying

Yea I'm pretty sure some of those people are locked in with their dead relatives. Haven't had food in several days.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Meanwhile in shanghai, the sound of thousands of humans collectively wailing their isolation and anguish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-XErj0xRYQ

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spooky

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM

The drunk driving analogy used to be the preferred analogy.

You could make the analogy now that those not vaccinated are like people who don't wear seatbelts because they think they are safe drivers and the seatbelt is more dangerous. Mostly a danger to themselves (although you don't want to be in a car wreck with other unrestrained occupants... they fly around and smash others). This attitude lets me know that you are part of a particular ideological tribe that you place performative adherence to as first priority, and/or your have naturally low trust in others and an inability to consider and absorb good information from good sources. It is the current best-case look. It is not a good look.

The bigger problem is that the analogy to drunk driving instead of not wearing a seatbelt, that is directly/indirectly endangering others as well as yourself, while not as accurate anymore, well it used to be quite apt. It was true for nearly a year and it was true up until 2022 with Omicron. That says further to me about a vaccine resistant person's tribal badges trumping care for others and society, and/or your cynicism outweighing your humanity. This is a very bad look.

That's my judgment after taking care of a fuck ton of COVID patients, directly and indirectly, including the ones who died after being infected by their antivaxxer caregiver family members who prevented them from getting the vaccine. Our world is a little different than when you get your info from twitter and the TV talking heads. But go ahead, accuse me of being judgy. I have a good fucking reason.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Yea I'm pretty sure some of those people are locked in with their dead relatives. Haven't had food in several days.

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The windows are open and it is not unheard of for Chinese people to jump out when things get so bad they can't take it. But I don't speak any of the Chinese languages. Perhaps you could translate?

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Meanwhile in shanghai, the sound of thousands of humans collectively wailing their isolation and anguish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-XErj0xRYQ

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Zero COVID looks like an awesome strategy!