To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

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07-21-2021, 04:35 PM
DougW

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Originally Posted by rideit

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It works on levels. The group that raises money and puts them up can still be the UDC but renamed United Daughters of the Covid.
07-21-2021, 05:22 PM
hatchgreenchile

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Originally Posted by basinbeater

They should put microchips in the vaccine that broadcast a small signal that can be read by others with a microchip, and get an either red or green light in the implanted visual aid to appear above the head of the people in field of view. Green? Good to fuck, red stay away.

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07-21-2021, 06:55 PM
old goat

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Originally Posted by Summit

The Pandemic ends when the prevalence vs consequences decrease to the levels of a bad seasonal influenza, and then we will say COVID is an endemic (seasonal respiratory virus) instead of pandemic illness.

Or when the covid vaccine becomes a routine childhood vaccine. Of course the politics could prevent that; I wouldn't be surprised to see increasing resistance to all vaccines in the near future.

The trouble with new shutdowns is that the unvaxed will still be gathering, and unmasking, and keeping their businesses open (if they have enough employees to do so) and spreading the virus just as much as they are now. Vaccinated people don't need to shutdown, unvaccinated won't. I'm all for restrictions that work but I have no more patience for Covid theater.
07-21-2021, 07:57 PM
jono

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Originally Posted by Summit

then we will say COVID is an endemic (seasonal respiratory virus) instead of pandemic illness.

Which season?
07-21-2021, 08:07 PM
jono

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

WHO urges vaccinated people continue wearing masks.
American Academy of Pediatrics urges mask wearing.
Nurses union urges CDC to reinstate universal masking.

The importance of mask wearing among the vaccinated population is at the very least unsettled science. The CDC is a weighty source for disease-related information but it is not a be-all, end-all.

Along the same lines (posted before)

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teen...ed-covid-kill/

tl/dr: the first head of the CDC was apparently the guy who stepped way TF out of his lane and declared that nothing larger than 5 microns could be airborne. Lots of people built on that error for a long time and some probably still are.
07-21-2021, 08:21 PM
PB

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Originally Posted by old goat

...... Of course the politics could prevent that; I wouldn't be surprised to see increasing resistance to all vaccines in the near future.
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I, for one, would welcome the return of whooping cough, polio and small pox.:nonono2::nonono2::nonono2:
07-21-2021, 11:44 PM
bennymac

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Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

The country has literally been held hostage by people who are selfish, distrustful of scientific facts, and gullible when it comes to conspiracies for literally the last year and a half…

FIFY
07-22-2021, 02:33 AM
Kinnikinnick

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Originally Posted by rideit

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Good one!

Although they never really wanted to honor history, only their white supremacy history.

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07-22-2021, 02:34 AM
Kinnikinnick

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Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

The country has literally been held hostage by people who are overweight, have health issues, and the elderly for literally the last year and a half…

You literally don’t know what literally means.

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07-22-2021, 02:38 AM
byates1

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Fear is money in the media world.

agreed.
07-22-2021, 07:39 AM
frorider

Best layperson summary I’ve seen on the finite risks of getting the rona despite vaccination: https://slate.com/technology/2021/07...ugh-cases.html
07-22-2021, 07:45 AM
neufox47

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Originally Posted by ron johnson

You guys still think masks work. Unbelievable.

I wonder what it is like to be so obtuse you cannot see the difference between a system that produces incremental improvements vs something that is completely effective.

Masks, especially when worn by the infected, reduce transmission. Masks also reduce the viral load the uninfected receive when around the infected. This can be demonstrated using basic physics and experimental tests. Additionally, it is supported by over 100 years of use in the medical community. To refute the demonstrable and accepted protection of masks, we would need a significant and robust study to demonstrate their ineffectiveness. No such study exists.

If masks (and social distancing) do not work, then what is the explanation for the all time low flu infections last year?
07-22-2021, 07:51 AM
KQ

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Originally Posted by frorider

Best layperson summary I’ve seen on the finite risks of getting the rona despite vaccination: https://slate.com/technology/2021/07...ugh-cases.html

Faust?

masking indoors in public makes a great deal of sense,” Faust said. “Even here in Boston, where the case counts are low, I would mask in indoor settings where everyone’s vaccination status is unknowable.”
07-22-2021, 07:53 AM
rod9301

Texas governor prohibits countries from requiring masks!

While it appears hospitalizations and deaths from covid are going up.

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07-22-2021, 08:03 AM
Mofro261

Re breakthroughs.

There is now a body of data that suggests double vaxxed people are 85-88% protected against symptomatic disease from Delta, and 96% against hospitalization.

But that means 1 in 8 vaccinated people will still get breakthrough cases, "mild" is subjective but vaxxed typically have 40% less virus at peak viremia. So also less likely to transmit as well.
07-22-2021, 08:08 AM
riser4

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Originally Posted by Mofro261

Re breakthroughs.

There is now a body of data that suggests double vaxxed people are 85-88% protected against symptomatic disease from Delta, and 96% against hospitalization.

But that means 1 in 8 vaccinated people will still get breakthrough cases, "mild" is subjective but vaxxed typically have 40% less virus at peak viremia. So also less likely to transmit as well.

What is meant by "double vaxxed"? Does it mean receiving both doses of a single vaccine? If so, then folks should cut it out because it means that one is dosed as directed. Fully vaxxed is the correct terminology.
07-22-2021, 08:13 AM
Mofro261

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Originally Posted by riser3

What is meant by "double vaxxed"? Does it mean receiving both doses of a single vaccine? If so, then folks should cut it out because it means that one is dosed as directed. Fully vaxxed is the correct terminology.

Both doses of any combo of vaccines.

One dose is looking 33% protection. If anyone went J&J, you might want a second dose of a different flavor.
07-22-2021, 08:23 AM
MTT

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Originally Posted by hatchgreenchile

BCA will make a killing !
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That’s a nice looking stud finder
07-22-2021, 08:30 AM
The AD

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Originally Posted by PB

I, for one, would welcome the return of whooping cough, polio and small pox.:nonono2::nonono2::nonono2:

You are a true patriot, sir!
07-22-2021, 08:32 AM
The AD

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Originally Posted by KQ

Faust?

masking indoors in public makes a great deal of sense,” Faust said. “Even here in Boston, where the case counts are low, I would mask in indoor settings where everyone’s vaccination status is unknowable.”

I wouldn't trust him. It's well known that he made a deal with the devil.
07-22-2021, 09:17 AM
huckbucket

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Originally Posted by Mofro261

Re breakthroughs.

There is now a body of data that suggests double vaxxed people are 85-88% protected against symptomatic disease from Delta, and 96% against hospitalization.

But that means 1 in 8 vaccinated people will still get breakthrough cases, "mild" is subjective but vaxxed typically have 40% less virus at peak viremia. So also less likely to transmit as well.

We should be clear on the definition of "breakthrough" for everyone's sake. Breakthrough means infection in anyone who has received a full course of a vaccine which includes the 2 weeks after the second dose. However, the bigger challenge wrt covid is that we are using PCR tests and non-rigorous viral load cutoffs to call someone "infected." PCR is exquisitely sensitive which means that many "positives" will exist at a level that is neither contageous nor a health issue (as Mofro indicated).
07-22-2021, 09:31 AM
altasnob

Washington State University has a vaccine mandate for their students, yet their football coach refuses to get vaccinated. He's the only Pac 12 coach to refuse the vaccine. What a role model!

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...-12-media-day/
07-22-2021, 10:03 AM
Kinnikinnick

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Originally Posted by huckbucket

However, the bigger challenge wrt covid is that we are using PCR tests and non-rigorous viral load cutoffs to call someone "infected." PCR is exquisitely sensitive which means that many "positives" will exist at a level that is neither contageous nor a health issue (as Mofro indicated).

How is this a problem? If the person is positive (and assuming not an outright false positive), how is that an issue of concern.

They are certainly positive and if not contagious it certainly is a better way to error than to call them negative when they are actually contagious, right?

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07-22-2021, 10:05 AM
Adolf Allerbush

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Originally Posted by altasnob

Washington State University has a vaccine mandate for their students, yet their football coach refuses to get vaccinated. He's the only Pac 12 coach to refuse the vaccine. What a role model!

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...-12-media-day/

"Coug'n it!"

Dude should not be allowed to coach at WSU and certainly not set foot on any other campus or travel via airplane

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Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick

How is this a problem? If the person is positive (and assuming not an outright false positive), how is that an issue of concern.

They are certainly positive and if not contagious it certainly is a better way to error than to call them negative when they are actually contagious, right?

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I think it's good to provide context to the "positive" tests for the breakthrough cases because it makes people falsely think the vaccines don't work.
07-22-2021, 10:07 AM
The AD

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

"Coug'n it!"

Dude should not be allowed to coach at WSU and certainly not set foot on any other campus or travel via airplane

I guess one of the requirements when they hired him was he had to be just as dumb as Mike Leach.

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