To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

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Originally Posted by jono

The armada wasn't happy with the results or the quality of the study? Without seeing it, that does seem like it has room to meet the recipe for "no statistically-significant" results as a feature of study design, depending on unstated details. Not to imply intent in that direction, but there are a lot of ways for that to happen. (Obligatory: inability to detect a significant difference is almost never useful evidence of no difference.)

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I’m not into debating statistics, so who knows why people were offended. Results mirrored clinical picture I see with the handful of long covid complaints. Some have pulmonary fibrosis (few), majority have negative work up. Nuanced discussion beyond scope of this forum.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

I believe the armada, such as David Putrino, Director of Rehabilitation Innovation for the Mount Sinai, is that there are other infection-associated chronic illnesses, such as Lyme’s Disease, that also cannot be diagnosed with the standard non-specialized testing.

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I believe there is nuanced pathology in long covid, but point of study was routine tests (and some not so routine) offer little regarding elucidating pathology in ambulatory setting. You won’t get esoteric testing done outside of a research study. There simply is no definitive guideline to direct a long covid work up in ambulatory setting (yet).

Most of the long covid I’ve seen has been mesenteric lymphadenitis mimicking appendicitis in youth six weeks out, some gnarly pulmonary fibrosis, and one case of crazy MIS-A.

Last week my daughter went to the funeral of a smart, promising 28-year-old who killed himself, purportedly because of long Covid. Kid was clearly messed up badly by it for more than a year before he'd had enough. I guess that one won't make it into the stats.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Question about long Covid and insurance coverage. I have read concerns that insurance coverage for those experiencing long covid symptoms as a “preexisting” condition if there is no documentation of Covid infection. Is there documented truth to this?

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If someone has an ACA compliant health plan preexisting condition doesn't matter. If one is unfortunate enough to have a non-compliant plan--well if they can figure out a way to screw you, they will.

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

There's no angst. Typing on TGR does not offer inflection and things are taken out of context.

My view is from clinical picture. Still have seen very low disease burden from a pulmonary/ARDS perspective since Omicron. Certainly quite nominal in those under 65. Non-existent under 50. Just my opinion. I think clinical picture/anecdote is meaningful in this context. Even at peak Omicron last winter we had very few on vents, all unvaccinated. Completely different clinical picture than Delta. Yes, I know deaths were still super high. But 4th shots for otherwise healthy offer little, if any, significant clinical benefit. I don't think that concept is widely disputed.

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Apologies--I should have clarified--the angst is not from you but there has been a lot of it from various people on the forum and people in the media about having to get multiple shots.

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

I believe there is nuanced pathology in long covid, but point of study was routine tests (and some not so routine) offer little regarding elucidating pathology in ambulatory setting. You won’t get esoteric testing done outside of a research study. There simply is no definitive guideline to direct a long covid work up in ambulatory setting (yet).

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Hopefully, your point and take-away is reaching GP’s and others providing primary care. The text in Sneller’s study is not clear about that take-away, which is unfortunate. He’s been clear in his interviews.

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

I believe there is nuanced pathology in long covid, but point of study was routine tests (and some not so routine) offer little regarding elucidating pathology in ambulatory setting. You won’t get esoteric testing done outside of a research study. There simply is no definitive guideline to direct a long covid work up in ambulatory setting (yet).

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Hopefully, your point and take-away is reaching GP’s and others providing primary care. The text in Sneller’s study is not clear about that take-away, which is unfortunate. He’s been clear in his interviews.

So my mild cough started last Sunday, Monday tested positive and did fluids, some Coricidin HBP starting in the afternoon (one at a time 3 or 4 times out of the day at most), some cough drops if needed for the dry throat, and did the saline Netipot a few times a day. Tuesday cough was getting better, and just a bit more tired than some days. Weds. I tested again and still positive. I was pretty much down to only taking 1 or 2 of the Flu pills. Never had any elevated fever, loss of taste or most of the other symptoms. Yesterday and Today pretty much very little cough, still trying to do fluids, and hope to still very limited contact with masks starting after the holiday.

3rd member of the house tested positive, but just again very minor cough and no other symptoms so far including fever or anything. Doctor suggested Vitamin C and if it got any worst, then one of the prescription Covid treatments would be next step.

Missing the Bicycle Group Rides is the only other thing.

I guess we're in about 10-12 days, daughter, 18, first caught it 2 weeks ago at prom, symptoms 2 days later, the rest of us (me, wife and son, 20) 2 days after that.
Dry cough, dry sore throat, faucet nose for the first 3 days, minor chills, major fatigue. We just did lots of water, vitC, slept.

3rd day in I got ungodly body aches to the point where I couldn't sleep because my hip flexors hurt so badly. No one else had that.
Sinus dried up and flow was replaced by thick snot. Doing neti pots now to clear, looks like some bacterial infection is occurring.

Symptoms much milder now, except sinus clogging leading to drymouth, but sleeping lots better, negligible chills.

I'm super bummed to be missing the last few lift served days, got in 12 days in April, another 6 in May before this onset. Some unusually good corn days in there among the more standard moist gloom.
At least the snowpack is solid and should hold in more accessible spots into July.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

I guess we're in about 10-12 days, daughter, 18, first caught it 2 weeks ago at prom, symptoms 2 days later, the rest of us (me, wife and son, 20) 2 days after that.
Dry cough, dry sore throat, faucet nose for the first 3 days, minor chills, major fatigue. We just did lots of water, vitC, slept.

3rd day in I got ungodly body aches to the point where I couldn't sleep because my hip flexors hurt so badly. No one else had that.
Sinus dried up and flow was replaced by thick snot. Doing neti pots now to clear, looks like some bacterial infection is occurring.

Symptoms much milder now, except sinus clogging leading to drymouth, but sleeping lots better, negligible chills.

I'm super bummed to be missing the last few lift served days, got in 12 days in April, another 6 in May before this onset. Some unusually good corn days in there among the more standard moist gloom.
At least the snowpack is solid and should hold in more accessible spots into July.

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Glad you’re feeling better.

On day 5 or so and while everything else has pretty much gone away I suddenly got lower back pain today. Not continuous, but almost like spasms, where I can’t stand or walk at times. Normally wouldn’t attribute it to a virus but seems to be a somewhat common COVID symptom from what I’ve read.

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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter

Glad you’re feeling better.

On day 5 or so and while everything else has pretty much gone away I suddenly got lower back pain today. Not continuous, but almost like spasms, where I can’t stand or walk at times. Normally wouldn’t attribute it to a virus but seems to be a somewhat common COVID symptom from what I’ve read.

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thanks. good to read your fams symptoms have diminished; jealous.

I've had other people cite the hip and lower back pain and spasms. 3 of the older guys at the porsche/audi place I go reported similar symptoms.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

thanks. good to read your fams symptoms have diminished; jealous.

I've had other people cite the hip and lower back pain and spasms. 3 of the older guys at the porsche/audi place I go reported similar symptoms.

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Not out of the woods yet- wife and I on the uptick but kids have just been lucky so far…

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...munity/639436/

Buster, is your whole family still testing (+) on AG tests?

Daughter (12) tested (+) from a pcr given on Wednesday. Rest of the family tested (-). AG testing every other day since Monday have been (-) for the whole family, including the daughter. She has no symptoms. Everybody else feels fine, too. Her only unmasked opportunity for exposure in the past week has been eating lunch outdoors with her friends.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Buster, is your whole family still testing (+) on AG tests?

Daughter (12) tested (+) from a pcr given on Wednesday. Rest of the family tested (-). AG testing every other day since Monday have been (-) for the whole family, including the daughter. She has no symptoms. Everybody else feels fine, too. Her only unmasked opportunity for exposure in the past week has been eating lunch outdoors with her friends.

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Daughter tested (-) on an antigen test 2 days ago, wife tested (+) 2 days ago on ag test.
I'm not bothering since I still have what I consider symptoms, sore throat, tired, normal stupidity, birkenstock clogged sinuses.

But first b00ze in 9 days, some Mongeard Mugneret white burgundy. w00t.

At least it’s easy to tell if your MD takes this seriously or leans in to the “it’s just a flu” thing… 315 deaths per day is a lot

Also MDs in places where most people already had Covid one or more times due to anti-everything might have a warped view of the ongoing infection rate.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Daughter tested (-) on an antigen test 2 days ago, wife tested (+) 2 days ago on ag test.
I'm not bothering since I still have what I consider symptoms, sore throat, tired, normal stupidity, birkenstock clogged sinuses.

But first b00ze in 9 days, some Mongeard Mugneret white burgundy. w00t.

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Damn. I want to try some of that. I know nothing about wine other than you had me at white Burgundy. Because I like red ones from there so I figure I need to try white

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...munity/639436/

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Summary - we just don’t know.

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...munity/639436/

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alternate summary -

reinfection poses risk to health ; there remains reason(s) to limit exposure and maintain "immunity" ( better termed as 'resistance' )


this is the vaccination thread, and you know my drum.

Please get your booster(s)


Thank you. skiJ

Please get your booster(s)

Thank you. skiJ

Fairly certain everyone here is boasted. Wife and I are double boasted, hence why our symptoms sound less than Busters . Wife feels good today, 7 days after testing positive. I developed symptoms Wednesday and felt shitty when I woke up today, but better now. I just wish my dry cough would fuck off. Hope i test clean by next Thursday.

Boasted? Double boasted? Shouldn't you be posting in trip reports?

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Originally Posted by liv2ski

Please get your booster(s)

Thank you. skiJ

Fairly certain everyone here is boasted. Wife and I are double boasted, hence why our symptoms sound less than Busters . Wife feels good today, 7 days after testing positive. I developed symptoms Wednesday and felt shitty when I woke up today, but better now. I just wish my dry cough would fuck off. Hope i test clean by next Thursday.

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Wifey and I are double boosted too, wife didn't have as bad of symptoms as I, but I'm a cradle robber and a trip reporter.

So boostedness doesn't seem to be the reason.

I sure hope you feel better before your trip.

boasted -
I laughed.

liv2ski contributes. and
they 've been sick.

I give him a pass.


Wu's columns disappointment -
"years" of vaccinations for covid.

medically and scientifically, two years is nothing. and we demand immediate satisfaction.

ain't (gonna) happen --


Yes - good luck and good wishes to all who are ill...

Get Well Soon.


boastered.
I'm not even sure What that might be (?)

enduring the 'boast's of another (?)


Thank you for being boostered. : )

tj

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Originally Posted by old goat

Boasted? Double boasted? Shouldn't you be posting in trip reports?

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If I could figure out how to post pictures on my phone I would have

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Daughter (12) tested (+) from a pcr given on Wednesday. Rest of the family tested (-). AG testing every other day since Monday have been (-) for the whole family, including the daughter. She has no symptoms. Everybody else feels fine, too. Her only unmasked opportunity for exposure in the past week has been eating lunch outdoors with her friends.

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Update: Whole family is AG (-) today. Daughter was pcr (+) with test given on Wednesday. She's out of isolation now. We’ve been testing the whole family every other day since May 9 for various reasons: severe allergies to cold to multiple direct face to face exposures and have always tested AG (-). We now figure that the pcr (+) was from infection in late April or first week of May. If that’s the case, then whole family, if all infected, were asymptomatic or not infected.