To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

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Originally Posted by basinbeater

Yep. Many feel that way. And vote accordingly, universal health care is socialism they cry!

But when they get sick from covid because they are also anti vax, well, all of sudden their tune changes.

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Yeah, Americans are only against socialism for others.

Getting back to vaccines for a moment, an open question to the fully vaxxed collective: how comfortable are you in public places - especially indoors - mingling with the teeming masses?

Where I am, everywhere other than medical facilities and restaurants, covid protocols have pretty much ended. Social distancing is a thing of the past, and mask usage is maybe ten percent.

Are you confident that you're well enough protected by immunization to forego the mask while indoors with the unvaccinated?

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

Are you confident that you're well enough protected by immunization to forego the mask while indoors with the unvaccinated?

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Yes. And the data supports this. Way less dangerous than getting in the car at this point. Might go get another dose this fall just for fun!

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

Yeah, Americans are only against socialism for others.

Getting back to vaccines for a moment, an open question to the fully vaxxed collective: how comfortable are you in public places - especially indoors - mingling with the teeming masses?

Where I am, everywhere other than medical facilities and restaurants, covid protocols have pretty much ended. Social distancing is a thing of the past, and mask usage is maybe ten percent.

Are you confident that you're well enough protected by immunization to forego the mask while indoors with the unvaccinated?

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I am. The vax isn’t 100 percent on preventing COVID but it’s pretty high and it’s even closer to 100 percent on preventing a serious infection. The inconvenience of wearing a mask, especially when the guys who are actually the ones who are spewing the virus aren’t wearing a mask, outweighs my concern about getting a serious case of COVID at this point. If I were higher risk I might reach a different conclusion, but mid50s w no other risk factors, that’s where I land. Plus I’m antisocial in general so that helps. My wife, who runs around hugging people, probably should wear a mask.

Ive been rollin without the mask now for a couple of months. I had my second dose of moderns back in early March. But we are rethinking the mask thing the last few days with all the delta news. I read in salt lake trib, that Utah has over 100 breakout cases of covid per day in fully vaccinated people. The cases are not severe, and rarely result in hospitalization, (I think it is like 95 or 99% unvaxxed showing up in hospitals) but we have young kids. So we are rethinking mask usage. We are also in an area of Utah that has the 2nd highest vac rate after park city (near the u). I suspect the next time Im out at a big store with a varied population, the mask is probably coming out.
Fucking maga mouth breathing idiots. Fucking it up for everyone. That's how I feel.

sent from Utah.

We stopped masking at work (those with full vaccination) just last week. My zip is >85% vaxxed, the city is >80%, the county nearing 75%.

Not so worried about mingling with the unvaxxed masses with those kind of numbers locally.

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

Getting back to vaccines for a moment, an open question to the fully vaxxed collective: how comfortable are you in public places - especially indoors - mingling with the teeming masses?

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Haven't given 1/100th of a fuck for two months.

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

Yeah, Americans are only against socialism for others.

Getting back to vaccines for a moment, an open question to the fully vaxxed collective: how comfortable are you in public places - especially indoors - mingling with the teeming masses?

Where I am, everywhere other than medical facilities and restaurants, covid protocols have pretty much ended. Social distancing is a thing of the past, and mask usage is maybe ten percent.

Are you confident that you're well enough protected by immunization to forego the mask while indoors with the unvaccinated?

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As a fully vaxxed member of society, I take the position that the unvaxxed should FEAR ME!
I can harbor the virus in my nasal passages without symptoms, and breathe my Fauci particles on them. Sorta like farting in their general direction.

I haven't been inside a restaurant since before the pandemic, and have turned into a recluse since then. Outdoor dining and takeout work just fine for me.

I'm vaxed and masked at the market and in the kwicky marts at this time. Not doing indoor dining or casinos. Too many unmasked, unvaxed and unrepentant where I live. Hate to be the last one to get sick or die in this war.

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Originally Posted by Dantheman

Haven't given 1/100th of a fuck for two months.

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To answer Ted's question, I suppose I give very approximately 1/100th of a fuck these days. I've eaten in restaurants and crowded shops recently, unmasked, some because other people dragged me there, and in a couple other cases, because I couldn't bear not to revisit an old favorite meal ritual. Oh, and because it was hot outside and air conditioning. So whatever. A lot of people around here have resumed mask wearing in supermarkets, and I haven't; if I see a couple of maskless employees, that's good enough for me.

Picked up a car-full of smelly hitchhikers at a trailhead; chatted maskless for the next 40 miles; whatever.

That said, I'd probably avoid more indoor crowd scenes now than I used to, if I didn't have a good reason to be in there.

Had a brief period (2-3 weeks) where I felt comfortable going maskless unless required e.g. my local gym/rehab facility, but now I'm generally masking indoors again. I'm expecting things to deteriorate even further going into the Fall with Delta.

Found myself getting nervous in my local CVS last week - no masks anywhere (in a place where people come when they're sick); this week, the pharmacists and customers were all masked, but not any one working the registers.

I give a fuck for those folks who can't get vaccinated for various legitimate reasons. Which is why I prefer to say vaccine hostile vs unvaccinated. The only only way to protect those who are unable to get vaccinated is for everyone else to get vaccinated. Please join me in no longer saying unvaccinated when we mean vaccine hostile.

Fucking enraging that this country is being held hostage by assholes like this:
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

Getting back to vaccines for a moment, an open question to the fully vaxxed collective: how comfortable are you in public places - especially indoors - mingling with the teeming masses?

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Pretty much maskless here in Maine for anything outdoors and shopping trips in the middle of the New England area where vax % are good, except we're in the middle of touron season here so people are coming from all over.

Haven't been fired up to eat inside, actually eating out blows these days cuz you need a reservation everywhere and places are short staffed. I live in a restaurant mecca and used to go out a couple times a week kinda last minute every time, the rez thing is making it easier to keep eating home and not spend a ton of cash.

There's one indoor scene I want to go to but haven't yet. It's a small local club where a really good Dead band plays every Wednesday, great group of people who go every week but I guarantee out of 250 in the club there's gotta be easy 30-50 unvaxxed in there and those folks are going to shows and festivals left and right.

Basically not buying tickets to any indoor shows just yet which other than gear is a category I spend a ton of money in annually. May start masking at grocery store if doing a big shop so in there for longer.

I see very low case rates as an essential part of vaccines preventing infections. So, just as I'd be uncomfortable in a region with out of control measles, I'm uncomfortable in the current Covid environment. For awhile, we had no numbers on vax resistance to infection and onward transmission. The numbers coming out of Israel and UK aren't exactly encouraging (near as I can tell CDC is blind).

There's also this high horse called 'elimination strategy' parked in my barn. Thinking he might prefer Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan, or China though. Any time, we could start a 10-week lockdown, and end it... I'm having trouble accepting we've cursed ourselves.

i'm back to wearing my livinguard mask when in indoor areas for more than a few minutes. the livingguard mask is one of those types that supposed to provide protection to the wearer beyond that provided by a surgical mask.

my rationale for masking: i live in a tourist community; my community is less than 50% vaxed, but most do not wear masks (which is changing); i have 2 unvaxed 11 year olds at home (one may fall into the high risk category); there's shit poor data about long covid for kids except that it is happening (flawed studies are apparently showing between 10-45%-ish kids get long covid if infected); delta variant has been found in our community since early June; our community seems to be having a surge; our county apparently sucks at contract tracing (they acknowledged at sucking at the end of the last surge); apparently (?), there's still little info about the probability of those that are vaxed and infected to be able to transmit delta to others (like their unvaxed children) - i'm aware that this data is available for some of the other variants.

i'm not eating indoors.

i was at the mobile mart in lee vining yesterday afternoon, which is a tourism hot spot ((tour buses now stop there). saw maybe one family other than mine wearing a mask while indoors (it was semi-packed inside - no tour bus). most of the employees were donning masks.

anybody see this article (or similar) about the outdoor music festival in the netherlands that may have been a superspreader event? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/15/musi...nfections.html

Apologies if this has been posted. But the amount of stupid on Fox is no longer mind boggling.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...212701012.html

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On Monday morning, "Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade defended people who do not want to get vaccinated. Kilmeade also argued it was not the government's job to prevent people from dying.

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I saw a reasonably done forecast that by end of August US week be at 500k new cases per day. Based on the trajectory of new cases in the uk and the 4-8 weeks lag in the us.

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Originally Posted by rod9301

I saw a reasonably done forecast that by end of August US week be at 500k new cases per day. Based on the trajectory of new cases in the uk and the 4-8 weeks lag in the us.

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Looks like we might level off around 1800 daily deaths: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...asting-us.html

I guess that's until a variant starts killing the vaccinated or the unvaxxed die off.

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Looks like we might level off around 1800 daily deaths: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...asting-us.html

I guess that's until a variant starts killing the vaccinated or the unvaxxed die off.

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Seems like new variants are a given.

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Looks like we might level off around 1800 daily deaths: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...asting-us.html

I guess that's until a variant starts killing the vaccinated or the unvaxxed die off.

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http://bonddad.blogspot.com/2021/07/...uk-as.html?m=1

This one shows 4k deaths per day by mid October.

Who knows though

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Originally Posted by Toadman

Apologies if this has been posted. But the amount of stupid on Fox is no longer mind boggling.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...212701012.html

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I am with you toad....this is the advice I am following:

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status...53080163844096

Hmmm. CDC or Bonddad blog? CDC or Bonddad blog? How to decide?

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Originally Posted by rod9301

http://bonddad.blogspot.com/2021/07/...uk-as.html?m=1

This one shows 4k deaths per day by mid October.

Who knows though

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Agreed. Who knows? I think he's (your site) is basing his projections somewhat off of an assumption that the US will mimic the trajectory of the UK with cases and deaths; however, I'd argue that since their vaccination program was so much different than the US's it seems like that's a pretty big unknown if the two countries will share a similar trajectory.

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Originally Posted by old goat

Hmmm. CDC or Bonddad blog? CDC or Bonddad blog? How to decide?

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hahahaha! When you put it that way.

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Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot

I am with you toad....this is the advice I am following:

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status...53080163844096

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taking advice from cerno?

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Originally Posted by old goat

Hmmm. CDC or Bonddad blog? CDC or Bonddad blog? How to decide?

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I know it sounds funny, but he has some pretty good analysis in the past. And shyest the projected number of deaths are in the ballpark.

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