To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

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Originally Posted by Skidog

Small sample, but my son, 9, obviously can't get the vax. He's been out to monster jam (outdoors), an indoor trampoline spot, many friend visits, many store trips. I do NOT make him wear a mask.

Literally nobody in my household has been sick in 1.5 years.

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That's nice. So?

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My thought is that the owner in HB is doing it to get more business, especially tourists.Are they a known covid conspiracy type.

In my neck of the woods, there were several restaurants and bars that never closed down their indoor operations, even after they loss their licenses. They became attractions in the region. A anti-covid tourist destination.

Politically, OC looks to be in the midst of a transition.

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Originally Posted by Tri-Ungulate

OMG OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG the commie jack booted thugs are gonna force Core Shit to wear a mask agin' and he JUST CAN'T TAKE IT.

But what about his freedumbz!!! Think of the freedumbz-luvin' children!

Really, just go fuck yourself, you stupid pile of selfish libertardian excrement.

I don't care if you like Zappa, you still suck.

Go fuck yourself. Really.

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That was cathartic in every sense of the word.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

It’s Orange County

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OK -
so describe for me exactly how one would prove that they have not been vaxxed?

Since it’s socal, maybe show your “SS” tattoo?

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Originally Posted by TBS

OK -
so describe for me exactly how one would prove that they have not been vaxxed?

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They ask every patron "where was Obama born?"

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Originally Posted by Buzzworthy

That was cathartic in every sense of the word.

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Yeah, I needed to get that offa my chest.

I mean, I spend all my goddamn time at my job worrying about people who have compromised immune systems, trying to keep 'em alive, and fetid pools of diarrhea like Core Shit like to troll about how "the vax don't work" and "going full Sweden" 'cuz his solipsistic pansy ass fucking "can’t take another lockdown maskdown" when it's asshats like him that contribute to cases breaking through the vaccination.

Stupid motherfucker.

For sure it fucking triggers me after a long day of work, and maybe a beer or two.

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Originally Posted by Buzzworthy

That was cathartic in every sense of the word.

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I felt that way, too.

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Originally Posted by TBS

OK -
so describe for me exactly how one would prove that they have not been vaxxed?

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See if a magnet sticks to your skin, duh. Try to keep up. [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by neufox47

See if a magnet sticks to your skin, duh. Try to keep up. [emoji6]

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I thought it was to see if a potato sticks to your arm? I just can't seem to keep up with all this sciencey shit...

My opinion is like my asshole

Sometimes it’s full of shit.

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Originally Posted by k2skier112

I thought it was to see if a potato sticks to your arm? I just can't seem to keep up with all this sciencey shit...

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Potatoes are batteries man. Musk is launching the new tesla with 500 pounds of French fries.

so your sayin blurred is a tesla automotive engine specialist as well as lead fry cook now?

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

cdc new guidance is for vaxed to wear masks to protect themselves rather than to protect others. Am I skimming that correctly?

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I don't think this is completely correct. Delta is ~60% more transmissible than Alpha, and may or may not be more virulent, but I haven't seen any new research contradicting our understanding that Delta is not a significantly greater concern to the vaccinated (it may be out there, I haven't read everything). The vaccines seem to be doing a good job of protecting against Delta. Provided you have received 2 doses of vaccine (as Mofro pointed out pages ago) and 14 days have passed since your second vaccine, then you are considered fully vaxed (as Riser pointed out pages ago) and should wear a mask indoors to prevent spread to the unvaxinated.

Reading over yesterday's CDC mask recommendation update, it is clear that the goal of wearing masks now is the same as it has been all pandemic: to protect the healthcare infrastructure from being saturated and overwhelmed, not to protect the vaccinated (the vaccines are doing that). I believe it's completely tied to increasing case number.

That said: while the vaccines have turned out to be incredibly effective, and being vaccinated is the best measure you can take to protect yourself, they aren't 100% perfect. If I had comorbidities (>65 years old, obese, immunocompromised, etc.), I would absolutely be wearing a mask right now even though I'm fully vaccinated.

I was surprisedby that out of Ch.
Also surprised it was quite regional

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

We have the same Problem although not as pronounced. Here it's like 10% hardcore idiots and 15% hmmm I don't know/ lazy people. ( of the adult population)The 10 % can be sorted out by Darwin for all I care, but I'd like the 15% onboard because I don't want overflowing hospitals and closed schools again. Not that we had any hospital situation, but shutting down things costs money and I'm sick of paying for morons.

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The long term protective data from Pfizer is starting to come in (randomized trial). New preprint
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.21261159v1

Any symptomatic infection
2 months 96%
2-4 months 90%
4-6 months 84%

For protection vs severe illness solid all the way through at least 6 months *97%*

I haven’t heard it yet, but the CEO of Pfizer is on today’s released In The Bubble podcast, hosted by Andy Slavitt: https://lemonadamedia.com/show/inthebubble/

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Originally Posted by TBS

OK -
so describe for me exactly how one would prove that they have not been vaxxed?

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93% vax rate around here; 86% with two doses. Pretty happy about that.

Herd immunity for the Brits?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...2d8_story.html

LONDON — This is a puzzler. Covid cases are plummeting in Britain. They were supposed to soar. The scientists are not sure why.
The daily number of new infections recorded in the United Kingdom has fallen for seven days in a row — to 23,511. That is half what it was one week ago.
People are asking if could this be the first real-world evidence that the pandemic in Britain is sputtering out — after three national lockdowns and almost 130,000 deaths?
Public health experts are perplexed: Where is the uptick, let alone the surge?
The highly contagious delta variant of the virus, first detected in India, accounts for almost all new cases in Britain. Pubs are serving pints at the rail, throngs are packing the beaches, and night clubs have reopened with maskless youths crowded on the dance floors. Then there was the Euro 2020 soccer madness. England did indeed party most heartily.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government ended almost all government mandates in England for mask-wearing and social distancing on July 19, dubbed “Freedom Day” by the press. Viral defense is now a “personal choice.”
Public health experts, alongside the government, predicted that cases would rise, perhaps even soar, in the weeks after Freedom Day. Some of the best infectious-disease modelers on the planet warned that 100,000 new cases a day this summer could be expected.
But cases have been dropping, even as hospitalizations and deaths climb.
Scientists have theories. Maybe it’s the sunshine? There was a week-long heat wave.
Schools have closed for the summer break, so children are not spreading the virus as much.
It is also possible that people have stopped getting tested — because if they test positive, even if they are fully vaccinated, they are asked to quarantine for 10 days, even if they are about to travel to France for their holidays.
Or maybe Britain has reached the threshold for herd immunity. More than 70 percent of adults in Britain are fully vaccinated, and 88 percent have had a first dose, one of the best vaccine uptakes in the world. Among those who have not been vaccinated, many have had covid or asymptomatic infection, adding to natural immunity.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Herd immunity for the Brits?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...2d8_story.html

LONDON — This is a puzzler. Covid cases are plummeting in Britain. They were supposed to soar. The scientists are not sure why.
The daily number of new infections recorded in the United Kingdom has fallen for seven days in a row — to 23,511. That is half what it was one week ago.
People are asking if could this be the first real-world evidence that the pandemic in Britain is sputtering out — after three national lockdowns and almost 130,000 deaths?
Public health experts are perplexed: Where is the uptick, let alone the surge?
The highly contagious delta variant of the virus, first detected in India, accounts for almost all new cases in Britain. Pubs are serving pints at the rail, throngs are packing the beaches, and night clubs have reopened with maskless youths crowded on the dance floors. Then there was the Euro 2020 soccer madness. England did indeed party most heartily.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government ended almost all government mandates in England for mask-wearing and social distancing on July 19, dubbed “Freedom Day” by the press. Viral defense is now a “personal choice.”
Public health experts, alongside the government, predicted that cases would rise, perhaps even soar, in the weeks after Freedom Day. Some of the best infectious-disease modelers on the planet warned that 100,000 new cases a day this summer could be expected.
But cases have been dropping, even as hospitalizations and deaths climb.
Scientists have theories. Maybe it’s the sunshine? There was a week-long heat wave.
Schools have closed for the summer break, so children are not spreading the virus as much.
It is also possible that people have stopped getting tested — because if they test positive, even if they are fully vaccinated, they are asked to quarantine for 10 days, even if they are about to travel to France for their holidays.
Or maybe Britain has reached the threshold for herd immunity. More than 70 percent of adults in Britain are fully vaccinated, and 88 percent have had a first dose, one of the best vaccine uptakes in the world. Among those who have not been vaccinated, many have had covid or asymptomatic infection, adding to natural immunity.

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Scientists just starting to figure out that the virus acts in ways they don't entirely understand? Just amazing. The same thing is going to happen in the US. We are at the early stage of this surge, and in a few weeks cases will fall off a cliff regardless of any interventions.

Remember the TGR experts pushing people who already had COVID to get vaccinated because the vaccines gave better immunity?

"By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave."
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/309762

99.999% of the people in TGR think you are an asshole. Does that make you an asshole?

israelnationalnews is talking directly to people who, like you, are among the least likely to get the shot. So, it is hard to see why they wouldn't run with a story based on some preliminary and somewhat dubious numbers.

Maybe I shouldn't presume though, did you get shots, Ron?

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Originally Posted by ron johnson

Remember the TGR experts pushing people who already had COVID to get vaccinated because the vaccines gave better immunity?

"By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave."
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/309762

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Israel has encouraged recovered Covid patients to get vaccinated. It has been known for a long time that recovered Covid patients who get vaccinated have stronger immunity than the “only” vaccinated. Do you have any data to show that vaccinated recovered Covid patients were more likely to get Covid than recovered Covid patients? Do you have any data to show that the population of recovered patients were not also vaccinated? No? Then what is your point other than you have once again illustrated you lack a basic understanding of math and statistics?

I like how you ignore the fact that the vaccinated are wayyy less likely to get Covid than the unvaccinated too.