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Is this even an improvement?Quote:
Taking a rapid antigen test at home is not sufficient to meet the pre-entry requirement – it must be authorized by the country in which it was purchased and must be administered by a laboratory, healthcare entity or telehealth service
Not much of one. Pretty lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
At least the demand for testing should be dropping off a cliff soon, so it shouldn't be as onerous getting one.
Well, with a ~40% false negative rate, at least if you test positive you can just keep doing them until one comes back negative so you can get home.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
This is so stupid.
Just like the US, the home antigen test needs to be “supervised” via tele-health.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
I’m traveling US-Canada next month and have antigen kits from emed. Instead of a PCR for Canadian entry, I can just use these both ways.
https://www.emed.com/products/covid-...stkit-six-pack
Removes the stress of having to get a PCR test and results within 72 hours of my flight. Also, we’re three travelers, so the 6-pack of tests for 150 USD is much less money than any other testing offered in the US or Canada.
It's a huge improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
PCR travel tests, at least where I live, cost a minimum of $100 and they were only offered at limited times. And then you still had to wait 24 hours to get your results, so 1/3 of your 72 hour entrance window was already gone.
Antigen tests are cheap, easy to schedule, and you get results a couple hours later (or sometimes while you wait).
North America has been behind the ball on the antigen tests from the beginning -they're the standard test in most of the rest of the world. In Europe, you can get an "official" antigen test at almost any pharmacy for around $10 and they give you results while you wait. Sure, the antigen tests aren't as accurate, but they're more useful because they're easy, cheap, and fast. There's no disincentive to get one. Especially during the major Covid waves, PCR tests I was getting were taking 4-5 days to get results back, which renders that test fairly useless. I'd rather have anyone with covid symptoms get a quick antigen test that's 80% accurate than have them wait 5 days for a PCR test that's 95% accurate, but they go to work during that 5 days because "they're pretty sure it's just a cold."
First part makes sense, glad these are cheaper and easier to get and use for you and hopefully make travel easier for people.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Second part is kind of irrelevant, as an antigen test telling someone with symptoms to not go to work has nothing to do with crossing the border. You're just not supposed to enter CAN/USA with symptoms, period. Antigen tests have their place - I'm just not convinced this lies in keeping COVID out of a country, which as we have seen is impossible anyway.
I'm going to take my big rig to Ottawa and park it on Trudeau's lawn until he agrees that vaccination without a test is all that is needed to cross our border. You can thank me later. FREEDOM!
Yeah, the comparison to Europe wasn't so much with respect to crossing the border. It's more just a comment on the rationale behind only doing PCR tests in North America. If the goal is to inform both the public and the government of people's infection status, I think doing a larger number of fairly accurate tests is more useful than doing fewer very accurate tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
But that aside, I wish you the best of luck in your visit to Trudeau. I'll buy you a beer if I can get across the border with just a passport and a vax card.
You can take a vid proctored antigen home test at your hotel or home just before you drive to the airport. No more full schedules, hoping the results post, lines... and costs are lower.
Especially with Omicron, which moved so fast. Taking a test 72 hours beforehand is tantamount to worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Is there a consensus on what's too late to try and cross the border? I'm flying into my Spokane and headed to Nelson but I know Nelway closes at 4 and don't want to push it too close. I can always detour to Paterson but would rather not.
I am guessing you won't even need to do that (tele-health) . There have been tests that arrivecan accepted all along that never required proctoring all.
I'm not going to list them here but we heard about them from calgarians who were coming to the flathead a lot and they had given up on local testing. As Toast mentioned PCR tests here are at a minimum $100 and for a long while were only available at 1 site for $250 with a long line. I was actually the last person the local hospital tested for travel in the beginning of september. as I had the swab in my nose the call came in to stop testing for travel. they have not resumed.
Since I'm vaxxed and multi-boosted I'm not sure why they are even bothering. I'm going to Germany next week- No requirement there.
When I check the CA Gov travel site they specifically note that they do not accept rapid antigen tests. They accept PCR, NAT, NAAT, and RT-LAMP. I've only ever heard of PCR but generally seems like getting one turned around in 3 days is impossible unless you pay quite a bit.
Is there a tele-health supervised or other test I can take as an American that doesn't require me to go and pay a ton of money / wait in a long line / wait for results?
The telehealth rapid antigen option starts Feb 28…Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinned
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...-response.html
For what it's worth I can get a free PCR at pharmacies in my community (CVS or Walgreens) in the drive thru. Turnaround is about ~36 hrs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinned
I’ve scheduled a PCR on Wed 2 pm and I estimate I will cross the WA/BC border around 2 pm Sat, 7/26. Any US citizen here with first hand experience crossing entering Canada a couple hours outside the 72 hour window? How strict are they with the 72-hr limit?
No experience, but my hunch is that the answer will depend entirely on the mood of the border guard. Personally, there's no way I'd take the chance unless getting turned away at the border wouldn't be a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by boar2m
Thanks - will see about ordering a telehealth test then. That will be much cheaper / easier than trying to find a rapid test appointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by spanky
It will be a major hassle for sure... I plan to leave Portland an hour earlier than normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
12 of us got across on the 6th, one guy was getting real close, I think he had 30mins left and the border agent mentioned he was cutting it close. Please post if you make it or not, my gut tells me you wont get across.Quote:
Originally Posted by boar2m
Cannot wait for the South Park Canada episode to come out after all of this.
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Never mind the South Park border episode, think about the material that they have for the Trudeau the Tyrannical Dictator (invokes the Emergency (War) Measures Act) vs the Peaceful Truckers. With Trudeau's hiding from the Truckers, then vilifying them, calling them racist, terrorists, and their "unacceptable views" as well as JT calling the Jewish member of the opposition Conservative Party and all her Party members Neo-Nazi sympathizers, Trudeau has all but written the script for a great future South Park episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asspen
dude, this was not your father's war measures act, please emergencies act and BTW a review will be part of it
It was too dangerous for any elected offical to meet with those crayon eaters and there was multiple factions ncluding one asking the government to resign, so whom are you meeting with and did you miss the confederate flags and swastika's ?
Crayon eaters albeit very well organized and they had to go
Yup, surprised by DT take, but that is how the world goes around these days.
a local well known & reasonably loved town offical was standing around watching but had to leave the 1st protest
The PG citizen a newspaper in a medium sized town east of here has quit covering anti-vax protests and did not cover the convoy, the editor wrote a piece stating it is no longer safe to send out photogs or reporters
A passport is required for travel to Canada from US, no?
Let's just say someone very close to me. But not me let their passport expire. Faaack. There is a thread for the 'faaack' person songs here to buy I can't throw them under the bus as their intentions were good revolving around a tyke.
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With the disclaimer that current events might have affected this, recently expired American/Canadian passports haven't historically been a problem when crossing the land borders.
I just did the expedited passport thing and it took about ~2 weeks. Could get it done faster by going in person, but that was quick enough for my purposes. Costs a little more though.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinipenem
Just crossed the border at patterson to get to red. Guys was super nice. Much easier than all my quebec crossing :). I got the random test. Do we really need to do this at this point or just ignore? What could be the repercussions? Protesters were there in force, they waved and passed me through. TKS
I am not the person to ask, but I can tell you when I crossed back into the US at Frontier (US side of Patterson) they didn't ask about any type of random test result. Just asked the normal border questions, Where do you live, How long in Canada, What where you doing, do you have any booze, smokes or weed on yah...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crippity
I would imagine the repercussion could be they don't let you into the country after this. Bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crippity
If you were crossing back into the U.S. that would be American border agents and they wouldn't know that you were selected for a random test upon entering Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecadgod
The rule for the last 20 years is "you need proof of citizenship and proof of residency". A passport (or enhanced driver's license between BC and Washington) is the most convenient (although you can have a Canadian passport and never live in Canada). A US customs agent explained that they want to make sure they can send you home at some point. A child is separate issue. If only one parent is present you may need a letter allowing travel from the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinipenem
CANADA GETS COVID UNDER CONTROL
Proof is below
https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/...i-resort-mask/
So the mountain had a policy and asked him to respect it, he refused, and the situation escalated? I don't see the cops involved.
OK so the vaccine mandates are NOT set by Justin Trudeau in Ottawa,
they are set in each province & territory by real fucking epidemiologists
but then the border is controled by CBSA so I gotta wonder which rules ?
if it seems really fucked up thats cuz its suposed to be
the feds always are
If you're beyond the 72-hour limit they won't let you across. I've made it a few times with minutes to spare, and I've talked to folks who missed the window by 5 minutes and were turned around.Quote:
Originally Posted by boar2m
Beware that lineups are moving much slower now that they have to check test results and ask additional questions. My brother ran into a 10-car lineup yesterday, took him 45 minutes to get through.
That's what I've heard, too. Don't even think about cutting it close.Quote:
Originally Posted by gavinski91
Read it again^^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
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My father returning to the Canada this past fall, test results expired by an hour or two. They were dicks but let him in anyway. He had to quarantine for however many days, re-test, etc...it was a pain in the ass but he doesn't really need to leave home due to work, etc. No big deal. Few months later shows up a second time trying to return home, doesn't have results in a timely manner (hadn't received them yet even though he paid for testing, was promised 48 hour, blah blah blag), figures same bullshit will ensue. Wrong. $11,000 fine was offered to he and his wife because he was a "repeat offender". Or they could return to the US and try to get results in a timely manner (which took three days). All makes sense.......at least Canada has Covid Under Control
His family must be very proud of his behavior. Dad, remember that time you got wrestled to the ground at the ski hill? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hammer-Down
Still, businesses need to just let that shit go. You can't fucking tackle your customers over something so stupid. People on both sides of this need to get a grip.
I'm quite enjoying the same people that were all "defund the police" last year now cheering the police on as they go about their business in Ottawa.