This part is so dead on. A three or multi-party system forces consensus to be found on at least some issues, whereas the current state of the American two-party system is basically a cold war.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
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This part is so dead on. A three or multi-party system forces consensus to be found on at least some issues, whereas the current state of the American two-party system is basically a cold war.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
You're right, and it sucks. Somebody needs to start a party of moderates. There's got to be 40% in the middle who are sick of this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Wouldn't proportional representation also be an option?
booked 2nd vaccine for exactly 8 weeks after 1st dose, stoked to be fully vax'd by summer!
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by t.odd
I need to look and see when we can book our 2nd. We are just over a month in after first dose.
Just did the same. Pfizer #2 on Monday afternoon. A benefit of a small community vax program.Quote:
Originally Posted by t.odd
Free vaccines for anyone - just have to travel to Alaska
The US is a poster child for a system that doesn't support a 3rd party. Israel is a poster child for the disfunction that a PR system can bring. I think Canada is pretty good with 3rd parties in that the 3rd can take over when one of the 2 implodes. Thinking PC federally , SC in BC and whatever that slightly right of centre in Que now.Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
we have a moderate conservative party for the 40%, they’re called the democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
it would just be more obvious if we had a viable green party.
canada looks pretty good right now. i’m still a little scared that in its desire to be more like the usa it will encourage more fringe cult of personality types to come out of the woodwork and polarize the shit out of anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
cbc is so pleasant even when rivals are talking heatedly. worlds better than the landscape south of the border.
the election is decided in Ontario/ Quebec and those people are liberals not whacko nut job conservatives
Peter Mackay was apparently a fan of the Samuel Taylor Colleridge poem " Rime of the Ancient Mariner " as evidenced when he said the cons need to rid themselves of the Stinking Albatross of social conservatism ... i love that ^^ line !
Mackay was right, Erin Otool leader of the cons knows he is right and thats the problem ... too far right eh
social conservatism did not/ does not work in Canada so as long as the cons keep kicking that dead horse we will have a liberal gov
A country's politics is a reflection of its people. Every democratic system has its pros and cons but no system will work without the acceptance of basic principles and norms and a general commitment on those in political life and the populace as a whole to the welfare of the country. The United States lacks that. (And GB seems to have muddled along reasonably well without a formal written constitution, because the unwritten principles of British government are accepted.)
The good old days of reasoned debate between members of the left, right and centre. Spent a number of years as an IT road tech in Toronto and rarely missed these shows with Peter Gzowski moderating. Not that they needed moderating as their positions had more in common with reality and the common bonds of society than the current mess that politics has found itself in catering to the fringe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1779306829
Social conservatism is the Achilles heel of that party as XXXer has alluded to.
You are talking about a "first past the post" system which encourages multiple party representation. The system has its own quirks, but works in many democracies.Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Here in the USA its a winner take all approach that squashes any challenger outside the two party system that can't commit millions to a campaign. Corporations like this system as there is less people "needing influence" ($$$$$$$$).
FPTP and Proportional Rep. are two completely different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asspen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ljLsg9UFk
FPTP does not encourage multiple party representation. It sucks and is how we have an uneducated drug dealer running our province.
Yup, if more of the dumb asses died it would be a win win situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Well no, not really. In BC there have been 2 referendums on PR and both failed. Its not the magic bullet /wand that some people think. Most countries have some sort of PR. But a disproportionate number of the top democracies are FPTP. Its the culture of the country more than whether FPTP or some sort of PR that makes a difference. Some countries like Italy and Israel are notable as they are more dysfunctional due to PR. If you follow the news PR countries are way more likely to take a 12 months of more in some cases to figure out who / what coalition is forming the gov't.
I like PR when the party I don't like wins but when the one I prefer is in power I'd like to keep FPTP. Is that possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
I also did the tech gig on the road where i also listened to Gzowski and other radio hosts I can't remember all the names of , his guests were so facsinating that sometimes you just sat there listening instead of going in to the next job cuz you didnt want to miss itQuote:
Originally Posted by petey_
that link is 31 years old btw
the big problem for the Conservative party is that it is no longer the " Progresive Conservative party " your father may have voted for which ended in 2003, it is now the Conservative party of Canada which is a mix of the progresive consevatives and the Alliance party which is where the whacko nut jobs come from, they will never form a government with whacko nut jobs
single transferrable vote/instant runoff/ranked ballot....chose first/second/third choice, second choice votes from lowest ranked parties transferred until one party reaches 50% of the vote. I think in a place like Canada, that could be a reasonable alternative to fptp, it's basically a modified fptp.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Agreed on the Cdn party dilemma. There is no place for a liberal-conservative.
Seemed like just yesterday:biggrin: Started that gig in '81. So sue me already.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Yup, mom and pop were staunch progressive conservatives back in the day. Only one of their four sons followed in those footsteps. Wasn't me.
I was on the Big Blue teat from 75 -2005 myself, that was the heyday of CBC when Gzowski would be interviewing Margret Thatcher one day and Jean Chretien the next, it was all well researched always super interesting stuff
progressive conservative always seemed like an oxymoron, but they would just be the boring guys at a party still a viable alternative to voting liberal,
the whacko nut jobs who tried to make Canada less canadian and more American are pissing in the wind cuz canadians are canadian ... guys like Derek Sloan
which is why Trudeau will get in again cuz he was anyone but harper, then he was anyone but sheer, now he is anyone but Erin the - Tool
Wang until '93. The good doctor got some nice start up cash when he sued big blue for theft of ideas. His son didn't have the same smarts and led us into chapter 11. I came out of the shemozzle with some cash and a nice 6 months of vacay to look after the kids and recharge.
Another story about the possibility of the border opening in June. I thought this was interesting:
https://www.king5.com/article/news/h...6-b1a1d3b56c64Quote:
Trautman says Canadians could use vaccination records as a form of entry.
"Canada is exploring that. I think they're getting pretty close to likely implementing a situation where I, as an American traveler, can upload my vaccine status through their ArriveCAN platform, which is an app that's currently used for all entries into Canada."