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The thing you're omitting is that current evidence suggests breakthrough cases are rare. Although vaccinated people can still get infected and spread the virus they are way less likely to than unvaccinated people. Being vaccinated is far and away the best way to protect the population from further spread.Quote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
The data is always changingQuote:
Originally Posted by The AD
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cnbc...e-illness.html
Conscription/draft blows a hole in that theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
So do jail/prison, psychiatric commitment, and even old folks homes.
Wouldn't it take us to the end of the pandemic?? just fasterQuote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
Even if the vaccines are less effective against delta, and most data shows a much greater efficacy than the one you posted, it's still a hell of a lot better than nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
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Originally Posted by ml242
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bor...gins-1.6131898
also work-to-rule happening ^^ shit has been going back and forth across the border for 18 months with out much of a problem but this could really fuck things up
I like your thinking! Anything is possible!Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
Any geniuses here want to weigh in on whether my parents should leave and try to reenter canada in a few days? three hours on the phone with ottawa and the border decision is final and no one can do shit. But they are allowed to leave. They wouldn't want it to jeopardize their future entries but also weren't planning on spending two weeks in a dreary airbnb staring at the traffic.
I can't figure out where the error was with their paperwork on ArriveCan, but they didn't like my birth certificate so I have another thing in common with Barack Obama.
that sounds pretty fucked up NO idea
I did just warn a tree planter headed to Stewart site seeing
DO NOT cross the unprotected border into AK
cuz there is customs on the way back
It shouldn't. The website with the quarantine guidance specifically mentions that you are able to leave the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/tr...-to-quarantine
Delta Plus?
Wouldn't the next variant be Epsilon, the next latin letter?
Or is the media going for maximum shock value here? DELTA PLUS!
So much for freedumb
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Delta+ = NBDQuote:
Originally Posted by Asspen
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/5488387001
Epsilon? We’re already up to Lambda. Guess the rest were duds
except forQuote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
The federal government has reached a tentative agreement with the union representing Canada's border agents.
I mentioned Dr. Moran before. Here he explains a lot about the Lambda variant, but also the differences between variants, variants of interest, and variants of concernQuote:
Originally Posted by skizix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoZBhWNqqqc
those public sector strikes can go on for ever but the gov settled pretty quick this ttimeQuote:
Originally Posted by powdork
It doesn't look like their demands were out of line with similar jobs. 2% annual raise, some paid meals, improvements to their grievance process, and more flexibility wrt paid/unpaid leaves.
Though, I heard it's only a four year contract, so they'll be back to the table in a matter of months.
I hope they're in a better mood on Monday.
So that was 4 yrs from when it expired in 2018 not 4 yrs from now ?
there is always the usual posturing, threats, breaking off talks ect but I guess we missed all that cuz of lockdown and go straight to a strike/ settlement pretty quickly
some of them would have been working to process the goods that were still going back and forth for the last 18 months cuz we are the second biggest trading partner with the USA
you know, after those murders thieves and rapists to your immediate south
Someone tell Trudeau that everyone in the border agency is actually a Quebecer, that'll fix it.
jokes!
I believe so, but not certain. It would make sense though, because the basis of negotiated pay raises is to (at the very least) keep pace with the rising cost of living. 2% for four years, but spread out over seven years would be pretty crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Also guessing they'll get that paid out as a lump sum, so they should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
You didn't mention what their status is, are they cdn ex-pats or duals? or are they just American?
Worked for the feds the last 2 winters. Got some retro pay after we signed the contract for 2019 but thats already expired when we signed. 2020 negotiations start now. I guess in a yr or 3 i'll get more retro pay. No doubt phoenix pay sustem will screw it up. A pay system the feds bought meant for mon-fri/9-5 has no business encompassing all federal workers. I have ot, night premium, weekend premium, stat day benefits to figure if they make a mistake. Phoenix is still fixing over half a million case errors all the while new ones arise. One guy got his summer lay off and they continued paying him to the tune of $20k. Dumb hillbilly didnt come back last winter thinking he could get away with it. Chances are it'll go back and forth through phoenix pay system as they request payback in the wrong amount only to be "corrected" and a further request. Thatll go on and on for up to 3 or 4 years. When its all said and done the time he puts into negotiating, crunching nimbers, fixing errors and responding there's a good chance he could have just worked and made tge same $ without the multiple headaches and still have the 20k
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IBM was the contractor on the Phoenix fiasco, having the IBM logo stamped on my ass I've paid attention but not heard one bad word said about the mother corp
Classic cushy govt contract. Theyre on the hook for nothing it seems. Rumour has it as soon as they get enough sorted theyre going to ditch phoenix. Im sure the replacement will be smooth as silk
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If they wrote and implemented the terms of the contract properly they wouldn't be on the hook for anything and thats why you didnt hear any finger pointing or law suitsQuote:
Originally Posted by grinch
IME the gov could fuck up a wet dream
BTW I just learned that the reason this guy did not get vaccinated is because he'd already had covid last year. Not to belabor the dipshitedness of that move, but just to point out: a very healthy guy got RE-INFECTED, and very nearly died!Quote:
Originally Posted by skizix
Fuck, just get your shots already, morons (antivaxers)!
FactQuote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
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The "God willing" finish was about all I needed to know.
The time has officially come. Americans now streaming into The Great White North again.
Superspreaderfest '21
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Wife and kiddo leave Tuesday.
But both already had it, recovered, and are double vaxxed, so less risk than most Canadians.
They are traveling with a goalie bag, a sweet toque, and kiddo has a Bauer Ice jacket, he will fit right in.
Soory.
make sure all of that arrive can shit is set up right, whatever that means
Good luck Canada.
How long will they be in Canada? I'm curious what their quarantine plan is. I'm still trying to determine if driving back to the U.S. would be considered a valid plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by rideit
Do you still need to produce a negative test to enter the USA and Canada if you are vaccinated?
You definitely do to enter Canada from the US. Needs to be from within 72 hours of entering. I believe going from Canada to the US it's only required for air travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Living near the border line, the universal dream
For those who wish to ski
Those from TRG
Must put aside the alienation
Get on with the vaccination
To prevent mutation, the underlying theme
^nice
Neil would approve.