Isn't that why the border is controlled? Not exactly sure I understand your point. Both Canada and the U.S. can dictate who gets in, as they've been doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
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Isn't that why the border is controlled? Not exactly sure I understand your point. Both Canada and the U.S. can dictate who gets in, as they've been doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
No way, not Worst Case Ontario.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Ontario is going with the slowest re-opening "plan" ever, and is I'm pretty sure the most locked-down place in the world at the moment. Essential businesses (grocery stores / etc.) can only allow 25% capacity. Non-essential (like Home Depot) 15%. Restaurants patio and take-out only, no eating inside. Private outdoor gatherings up to 10 people. Private indoor gatherings prohibited. Sports - nope (kids can practice with their own team outdoors). Want a haircut? Too bad. You haven't been able to get one since February. Gyms? Forget about it.
We're scheduled for Stage 2 soon - July 5. All this means is they up the limits a little bit and you can have 25 people outdoors and 5 indoors or something like that. Stage 3 is a minimum of 3 weeks later and same thing - increase indoor/outdoor limits but also start to open up cinemas and gyms and whatever.
Meanwhile, the dumbfuck blowhard ON Premier Doug "Drug" Ford has been cranking out scary ads suggesting that the Federal Gov. isn't doing enough to 'secure our borders against deadly variants.' They've been sowing the seeds of a 4th Wave for months now. There's no way they'd want the border opened at this point, it would make no sense at all. Actually, because it would make no sense I can actually see them doing it.
If you live here sorry for explaining shit you already know and probably hate. I'm one of the most apathetic voters I know but dear lord do I hate this man (DoFo) so, so much.
we can only hope, none of the other dumb shit he's done has convinced people to vote for an alternative...not that there is a viable one in any of the other parties right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
I think the US is close to 60% vaxed. Why would Canada open it's borders until we hit 75% (will never happen) like they are shooting for? People will provide phony records to get in. Guberments need to share data as to who is vaxed to open borders IMO. I don't want some non vaxed hunter up there creating problems. Fuck those kooks.
Ok, prove to me that you are vax'd. I have a little paper card that a 3rd grader could counterfeit.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Ontario pandemic cut:Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
https://img.srgcdn.com/e/w:1242//Q1N...JWc08uanBn.jpg
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Oh it's not "us people," believe me. I think doug is the only one in the whole fucking province who doesn't want barbers and hair salons open. Fuck, even let them cut your mop outside if they have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
On the plus side, I no longer need a barber. I can do a proper haircut on my own head now in 15 minutes. Been cutting my dad's hair too and he has actually gotten compliments. I take this monthly savings and spend it on beer, and now I don't have to go and sit and listen to my old barber's dumb rambling anti-science bullshit anymore. It's great!
yes they did so the border was closed for > a year longer than you claimed it would be over a year agoQuote:
Originally Posted by The AD
so now how does the border get openned up carefully to a country who may or may not give a fuck, how do you or me prove we are vaxed ? Is an there an internationally accepted way to do that, is there a way to do it that can't be faked ?
and besides I don't think we are at 75% of Canadians vaxed, and of course the USA is whatever man
The obvious way would be for countries to be willing to share their vaccination records with other countries just like the U.S. and Canada do now with criminal records.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
what us governmental agency houses vaccination records?
exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by waxman
canada has no conservative alternative to the present liberal gov that could get elected to form a government,
canadians are not that in any case and Trudeau is looking good thru this whole pandemic in part cuz he closed the border
IMO that whole whacko nut job populist thing has failed in Canada
That surprises me for a number of reasons, but the main one is Ford. I assumed he was more in the right-leaning whack-job camp like his brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
However, I do know someone in ON that got their hair cut.
Good question. It seems that the CDC is collecting data from the individual states for tracking purposes, but not sure they are actually creating a national, by name database. It seems like that data is within the purview of the individual states, most of which use a system called IIS (Immunization Information Systems). https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...cine-data.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by ml242
well yeah but its not there yet is it ? So you showing up with your skis or a gun or a fishing rod and a ratty piece of paperin your wallet telling CBSA you got the vax doesnt quite cut itQuote:
Originally Posted by The AD
there needs to be a good way to punish the un-vaxed
I agree. I think you need to trust people (i.e. allow people to self report their vaccination data) and make the punishment for lying enough that people are going to think twice about it. Although I don't know how you can prove someone isn't vaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
But I also think Canada will be like the U.S.: when enough people are fully vaccinated it's time to quit worrying so much about the unvaccinated. They're the ones who are predominantly going to get sick, so they've effectively fucked themselves. People who are vaccinated should start being able to go about their lives normally.
Hence the previous comment about 75% of population being fully vaxxed, then they open shit up, and the rest can get fucked. Quebec is at 80% 1 shot - 20% both as of today. Just moved up my date for my second shot from Sept 1 to mid July.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
More spread = more variants. We're doing our part in containing spread
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Let us know when they shoot someone's pig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Didn't Canada do that with travelers asked to drive to AK and enough people abused it that it became an issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
It was either a real issue or a perceived issue. There seemed to be a lot of Canadians who were hyper-vigilant about checking for American license plates and even out of province license plates last year. Plenty of those people had a legitimate reason for being in Canada, of course. I'm absolutely certain there were people who abused the system, but how many? The whole story had a bit of an urban legend feel to it, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by abraham
Every state government has that record.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
so it seems the usa is incapable of turning over accurate data over who is and who isn’t jabbed.
and it only takes a few bad apples, and the bad apples that made a right to go to banff instead of a left to go to alaska ruined it for everyone.
It also seems (at least from the fearmongering media and science 'experts') that this Delta variant is the worst of the bunch. If this doesn't create that '4th wave' and just sort of floats through the 75/25%-and-counting vaccinated population then I think everyone is going to assume we're good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by danmelon
I said to some friends the other day it's not going to be the government that decides when we're done with this crap, it'll be the general public who start rising up demanding change once enough is enough. It'll happen soon.
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Originally Posted by The AD
Government of BC knows they gave me 2 Pfizer shots cuz its in the data base so that is considered a good thing up here
down there the guvermint knowing stuff about you is not good or at least not considered good so thats the thing is that nobody trusts America, smart Americans don't even trust America so do we listen to the American who tells us they are vaxed or do we need to have proof ?
ALSO with the high # of whacko nut job anti vaxers it doesnt really look like there will be enough fully vaxed Americans so COVID will hang around and pick them off the in a Darwinian fashion
my sister is a whacko nut job anti vax conspiracy type and she is not even Aemrican, whenever i think about it i wonder if there is anything she owns that I want when she croaks
QueAnon is on it!
I heard the Walgreens app is secure. Maybe the americans can just use that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
there ya go, the private sector for the win. do you think my parents can get a couple of myWalgreens bonus points for showing the app at the border? that’s some fucking synergy right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
There's no way the provincial governments would hand over vaccination records to the USA, or any other country for that matter. Right? It's super-illegal, no? Or can this just be a checkbox on my NEXUS card?Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
How about if it's an opt in thing? You'd need to specifically authorize the govt to release your records.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
We've got a Federal law in the U.S. called HIPAA that is intended to protect people's personal health data and I'm sure just handing over vaccination data would run afoul of that. But it seems like people explicitly allowing this data to be released would be okay, although I'm certainly not an expert.
it was real, people who said they were going to AK but went for holiday and luncheon in banff bragging to the waitress which went big time on all the news out letsQuote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Early on I caught a guy from Vermont mtn biking instead of booking on thru and he gave me a dumb excuse " oh i thot that was only in the Yukon ? " you are a grad student and smarter than that did not believe him
i pointed out to buddy that everyone in town has already made his green plate, the feds have posted a 1-800 number to report people who don't follow the rules, the fines are like 1500$ and my advice was to book for the border without stopping to hike and bike
Exactly my point. One isolated incident like this does not make it an epidemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Not urban legend in the least. Saw that shit with mine own eyes. Vaccine passport is the answer. I don't want any unvaxxed fuckwit in my country, just as much because those people are fucking twits as I'm scared of them passing along the covids. Open the border up in a month or so to US folks with an authentic vaccine passport is my two bits. Sounds like travel to Euroville and other points for canucks is going to be opened up to those with a valid vaccine passport. Personally hoping for 2nd shot within a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
anyway, the real point is that there is no way to turn over vaccination records. doesn’t exist across the states even as an opt in. good luck getting everyone to use NY’s app, which has been blessed by Cuomo so even if it was the best thing ever it couldn’t happen.
it was > one and in fact they fined a bunch of people they even fined a guy > onceQuote:
Originally Posted by The AD
but how many people from a country that gives zero fucks does it take to start an out break ?
will that out break cause deaths, long haul sick people, a drain on HC, a lock down which costs money, what politician in their right mind wants to have that happen on their watch ?
do you understand that to the canadians on TGR you sound like a lapsing alcoholic ?
Do you understand how funny this is coming from you? Jesus, you're a crank.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I'm happy jack compared to garyfromterrace who doesnt trust you either
but anyhow we have laid out exactly why the border isnt open and why we don't trust you
if you don't wana hear it don't ask
" oh yeah we are ok trust us, we wouldn't lie, things weren't really as bad as the 600,000 dead would indicate and those people were gona die anyhow "
You're a broken record, dude.
They'll figure something out I'm sure. Just scan the passport and either a nice green checkmark or a big red X shows up based on whether or not your own country thinks you're vaccinated. The government makes the laws, after all so they can find a way around this if they want to.
You don't technically need to leave your country so having a mandatory opt-in of vax data sharing with your passport shouldn't be a big problem. Not in Canada, at least. We tend to not freak out about reasonable government oversight.
I wish I had your confidence. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Wifey and kiddo made refundable reservations in Banff, Jasper, and Edmonton for mid-august, they are (hopefully) attending goalie camp in Leduc.
Please don’t shoot them for having WY plates, they are fully vaxxed with proof of previous exposure.
Peace.