Dear US, its not you, its me. Sorry
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Dear US, its not you, its me. Sorry
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This border closure issue fascinates me, and not just the US/Canada border but the larger question of whether countries should close borders to try to stop the spread of disease. I think it is a slippery slope, particularly with the rise of nationalism in the world. In the next pandemic, rather than work together, I see countries shutting the gate with an everyone for themselves attitude. I see this sentiment spreading into immigration laws as well (I'm in favor of free movement of labor in the world, and don't like borders in general).
I opposed the US closing borders in the beginning of the pandemic, just like the US Democrats did before they realized that wasn't the politically popular choice. As Mofro points out, delta variant has spread throughout Canada despite the closure. I always thought of Canada, and specifically, Vancouver, BC, as one of the great liberal, progressive cities of earth. I naively assumed they would share my sentiment but posters on TGR (with the polls to back their claims) have changed my view of the city and Canada in general.
With Trump permanently damaging America's position of leadership in the world, and Europe still recovering from Brexit, other countries will look to Canada, and not the US, for guidance during the next pandemic and world crisis. Keeping borders open does not mean ignore science. You can still take other steps to try to curb the spread of disease while emphasizing we are all humans on this planet and should be working together.
^^^^All that is fine for refugees, but tourists can wait until shit is sorted out IMO.
Fuck Lee, I am sure many in the USA, myself included, live in terror of that. My ass is so puckered over 2022 and 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
No world leader in their right mind will look to Canada for leadership in a crisis. Justin Trudeau did not inherit even a fraction of the intelligence of his father and JT has had more ethics violations than any Prime Minister in modern Canadian history. He lacks good judgement and is not held in high esteem by many if any world leaders.Quote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
OTOH Joe Biden doesn't inspire confidence and seems lost without his cue cards.
However, Ivanka wants to fuck him silly, so that’s gotta count for something, right?
Thanks. I guess my mistake was 2 clicks. Given US at 3 cases/100,00 and Canada at 2, and Delta being essentially the same the chance of a Canadian getting sick from encountering an American is the same as the risk from encountering another Canadian. The number of Americans visiting Canada in a normal year is enough to raise the population of Canada a bit, so that increases the risk slightly. From an epidemiological standpoint closing the border, requiring quarantine of Canadians returning from the US, etc, makes little sense. Canada has chosen to take a more cautious approach--witness the Stanley Cup attendance--which is their right, but it's a political decision, not a science based one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mofro261
We saw the same entry bans between states, counties, etc within the US in the early days of the pandemic, restrictions on how far you could drive, etc. It didn't make much sense then and it doesn't now. But in times of danger fear of outsiders goes way way up.
The history of pandemics is the history of bacteria and viruses freely crossing borders, regardless of whether or not people do.
disagree OG. much like the decision to close lagged behind science, so too does reopening because first you need to convince everyone of the best tactic and then follow through politically. complete normal. i’d argue the rules in place now make sense, just for six months to a year ago. what we know tomorrow will make our decisions foolish today so this is still just a lot of handwringing over the border which is going to open pretty soon, lagging behind the science yet again just a bit.
eta: closing up shop like NZ did absolutely prevents the history of viruses becoming the history of your country, if that’s possible. i mean, the entire world was pretty germ free before it was forced to ‘open up’.
Wut!? Limiting the spread of peoples doesnt limit the spread of virus'? Thats some advanced science i may need to read up on
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It does, but only to the point where the virus is present in equal amounts in the origin and the destination and that's where Canada and the U.S. are right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
The open hate or dislike of America bothered me in my early thirties. Traveling and staying a bit at hostels and getting drunk with other morons who would tell me what idiots we were...most of whom had never been and didn't plan to travel to Merica. I'd try to defend Merica then, but as time rolled on I realized they were right and I was wrong. Somehow that outside lens had better eyes than my own.
I think Canada is just treating us like we deserve to be treated. Tasting that medicine hurts maybe. But we live in a place on the verge of going full shithole country. I wouldn't let us in either
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Ya until you add more infected people to the mix in greater density. We're happy being spread out, thanks. The town is so nice when its sleepy. Lots of space atm.Quite comforting until things are more contained.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
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Maybe you should hang with a different crowd. I know lots of Canadians that love America and wish we were like the US in more ways. No - they are not right and you wrong. They are jealous and conceited and arrogant pricks that like to nitpick the speck in someone else's eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
America is a shining light in this world. For all its foibles and problems, America is an AMAZING nation. Spit that medicine out and hold your head up. We Canadian's would not exist peacefully on this planet if it wasn't for our good neighbor. America is a passionate diverse fair country. All to be proud of. FLY THAT FLAG and sing that song.
PS - Dear Canadians. Are you proud of Canada? Well it looks a lot like you are projecting. Get your pride back and then you will see, America is a much greater place than you imagined.
Ugly is a good dood like a lot are south of the 48. I think you just freaked him out to the level of a backwoods alabama bbq. Snakes, sparklers and carbon rotors baby!!
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Everything carbon. That's my motto.
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Originally Posted by Mofro261
Exactly. A country like NZ with very few cases could stay that way by keeping out travelers. Restricting travel made sense at the very beginning of the pandemic--at least for places where the virus wasn't already spreading under the radar, and it has to be accompanied by strict contact tracing and isolation. If you close your borders it has to be a hard closure--Canada's restrictions--and not just for the US--are too full of holes to do any good. Trying to keep out a virus that's already in doesn't make much sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Now even the old Doctor is shitting on Canadian policy, and indirectly, Prince Trudeau.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Just close forever Canada. We will only miss your beautiful french speaking women, eh.
I agree with OG that its almost impossible to keep it out but you gotta try and get more vaxed before openning the border
Savy Americans used to show the Canadian flag when they traveled cuz it was just easier !
It’s not like the virus is or was dispersed equally in canada. The maratimes were largely unaffected because of the strict borders. Yukon was doing well. The powers that be and maybe some of the provincial leaders probably thought it would be easier to enforce in country borders if you also weren’t willing to import the virus wholesale from abroad. It’s a big place, some would even say it’s bigger than the states ;)
I'm not trying to shit on anyone. The Canadian border situation is just one example of covid policies that don't seem to have any rational basis. The US had and continues to have policies like that. People on both sides of the border want to make this an issue of "we don't like Americans" or "who do those Canadians think they are". I have no interest in any of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asspen
The issue is community spread. What do people do when the virus is in their community? Like all the people partying last year in Truckee while complaining about tourists bringing the virus. It's always easier to blame someone else for your own failings.
For the record, I'm rooting for Montreal. (And wtf is going on with Price--he was unbeatable against VGK and now all of a sudden he cant stop anything.)
Why would anyone choose a trust fund raised person that has never had to work a day in his life over someone who put their life on the line for the country to run the country?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
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Problem is the numbers were rigged from the start of this bullshit and it's coming out now.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
Very few people actually died from just covid and if the health care system would of had a proper protocol many of these deaths would not have happened.
Again more people died from overdose in BC than covid in the last 18 months....
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Erin the tool and the cons are too far right to form a government in Canada so its gona be Trudeau again
its tragic for sure but you can chose to not take Fentynal while you can't chose to not catch covid unless you isolate
not that Trudeau having a trust fund and being worht 13mil has anything to do with the border being closed
Happy Canada Day, Hosers!
Anything actually happening?
i think they lost Lytton completley