the only people that believe he demonstrated that to were the fringies that already believed it. go hang your canadian flags upside down like petulant babies all you want, 90% of us are happy and proud to be here.
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the only people that believe he demonstrated that to were the fringies that already believed it. go hang your canadian flags upside down like petulant babies all you want, 90% of us are happy and proud to be here.
You think he should meet with a bunch people with "Fuck Trudeau" signs? There's nothing he could say to get through to anyone with that stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
And there was something else going on in Ottawa we didn't hear about. I'd like to know why the chief of police left and then the interim chief started actually doing his job. I wonder what the old chief was doing (or not) that led to it lasting that long.
if only lincoln had a nice chat with the people that tore the union apart, it all could have been avoided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
more than a thousand of the same people donated to both 1/6 and the overthrow canada convoy. fuck these people. they had their little parade and should have gone home.
nobody said he had to meet with anyone..however leaders address conflict, they don’t hide from it...a simple address to protestors could have changed the entire tune, timeline or narrative of the situation but we will never know as the prime minister decided to hide and events unfolded the way they did because of his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
Trudeaus game plan...
1) ignorance
2) arrogance
3) condensend
4) those didn’t work, shit...evoke emergency powers...
How are Canadians ever going to unite and move forward with a leader that thinks it’s appropriate to call mp’s Jews in the House of Commons, protestors mysoginists, has a surf vacation during his newly created national reconciliation holiday, funds illegal terrorist activity thru SNC Lavalin and supports eco terrorism and anti pipeline protests with tax payer money thru various charity donations, example “We charity” “WEF” all while attending parties with a blackface?
Canadians need to start questioning what there vote is actually promoting....
^^thats what you get when you leave a bunch of hillbillies in a room to sniff each others farts. They think it gives them brilliance but its just the worms. Might want to get out of that room for a bit of fresh air bubba
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I do think Trudeau had an obligation to address the problem whether he agreed with the protestors' stance or not. He still represents those people as PM. I recognize the PM role is slightly different than the American President because they are the leader of their party, but I still think it's fair to say the PM should be representing the Canadian people.
This polarization of politics isn't helping anyone. There seems to be no room for actual discourse in either the U.S. or Canada now. I don't think it's as bad in Canada, but it seems to be getting worse.
Theyve been rolling coal with fuck trudeau bumper stickers for a few years now. Any address, even a one word address , to those hicks is only going to send them into a rage. Even if he only complimented them theyd say he was condescending. He let the local authorities hsndle it so not to enrage them. Ottawa chief screwed it up so he dealt with it. Trudeau is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt with the imbeciles. He's the hillbillies boogeyman. Theyve been fed "fuck trudeau" over and over and the simps have eaten it up
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They showed up with a mishmash of demands including dissolving parliament and letting some of the protesters govern.Quote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
If it was just 1 issue like truckers needing a vaccine, maybe he could have talked to them. But it became about way more than that and it was pointless to talk to them.
Protest 1 issue at a time and you might get an audience.
it’s like with HRC, if either one of them ran into a burning building to save a baby they’d say they just did it to harvest adrenochrome.
YupQuote:
Originally Posted by grinch
I honestly don't know if he should have used the emergencies act. It seemed like the new chief in Ottawa started getting shit done once the other guy was gone... but maybe the emergencies act needed to be in play for some reason I don't know about? Maybe he needed it to get the old chief to leave? I'm guessing.
If anything, the bad part about using it is giving his detractors ammunition against him... which is unfortunate.
But what exactly did he use the act for that people have a problem with? I want specifics in how you think he used that power inappropriately.
And it was recinded 2 days after they cleared the protest in Ottawa. Yeah, really sounds like an abuse of power to me. [rolleyes]
Many lawyers were uneasy about the Emergencies Act (I'm one of them). I can't give specifics because Fintrac and Finance is notoriously opaque and slow to disclose so righrt now nobody knows except the ones who froze accounts. However many are queasy about the account freezing and forfeiture parts of that law (lack of oversight, no court process, no timely appeal), arrest power sans warrants on a temporary (how temporary?) basis. That the Act was repealed quickly was good. That it was used at all was imo questionable. There's already federal and provincial statutes on the books that could have done the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
That the Emergencies Act was enacted on a no confidence basis is also not a good look. Hardly shows confidence in his rightness
Not even trying to address the protestors is, respectfully, a cop out. It's his job to address uncomfortable situations even when the "opposition" is a bunch of incoherent bumblies. Descending to the rhetoric he used to tar all the protestors as alt right tools is so very American ala "Deplorables". So much for Canadian we can all get along ..... sorry... exceptionalism.
That there are no other leaders on the National stage that could have done better is lamentable.
That a small minority of selfish incoherent freedom types could have held infrastructure hostage for so long and gotten away with it with the cops being so useless is also lamentable and shows how bad we are at peace order and good government
Well put Lee. We need politics to be less abpout demonizing the"other side" and leading or at least have a coherent path forward.
The Emergencies Measures Act was not used to end border blockades and it was not needed to to remove protesters from Ottawa. The sole purpose of the Act invocation was so Trudeau could freeze bank accounts. It was an unnecessary use of power and Trudeau needs to answer for trampling on the high threshold criteria for invocation that he ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
By using the Emergency Act in the manner that he did, Trudeau has set a dangerous precedent and the new low standard for implementation could lead to additional abuse of the use of the Act by a future PM.
as oposed to the regurgitation i'm just gona say " whatever Shorty said "
Whose job was it really? Sure the City of Ottawa dropped the ball, but then what about the Ambassador bridge/ Coutts/ a couple other crossings, the weapons found ?
It may not have been necessary in reto spect but you don't have that luxury so the emergency act sure looked like the only way out at the time cuz the convoy guys did a great job & didnt leave any out, only in retro spect do they look as pathetic as they really are
I hesitate to call it a "truckers strike" cuz the real truckers were out trucking so this protest was not sanctioned by the Canadian truckers association and a VERY small group of Canadians participated/ are down with the freedom convoy
but thats all past tense cuz its a new news cycle so you can barely find a convoy storey cuz no body is paying attention to the convoy, its all about the Ukraine
“overthrow the government convoy”
On this side of the poutine wall, the politicians that try to extend olive branches or compromise with the other side get hammered by both parties. The marketing/spin/optics have become so purity-based that only absolute perfection will satisfy one base or the other. I don’t see comity making a comeback any time soon.
Welcome to the party, Canadian skier friends
Ok... is there another way to stop the protesters from being funded by far right American crowd funding? Because I don't love the idea of foreign entities that supported the Jan 6th event in the US encouraging illegal protests with the same goal.
The act requires an inquiry into how it was used... will we not find out the details of frozen accounts there?
Canada has AML (anti money laundering) and tracing laws in place. All countries who signed international anti corruption and tracing laws do. We have the required laws in place. However the regulatory authority administering it (Fintrac) is incompetent. I work in this field. They're bumbling idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
In theory, Fintrac could track funding sources. If they were competent..But see above.
Fintrrac was then given more powers via the Emergencies Act. .Thank God those bumblies only had it for a few days
Also... what is Trudeau supposed to address?
He could address the requirements for truckers to require a vaccination to re enter Canada. But that's where it ends. And he did address that in saying that the vast majority of truckers are vaccinated and the vast majority of people suport that law... so he said he wouldn't do anything about that. FYI I don't agree with this law, but let's be honest that this is never what the protest was about.
He can't address public health measures because those are put in place by the provinces... he has no control over that. And even if he wanted to appease protesters by trying to force provincial governments hands (which he wouldn't do), the backlash would be horrendous. FYI I think public health measures should start to be removed too, and they are... by the provinces.
He should NOT address anyone who says parliament should step down and let someone else run things because that's asinine.
What else did the protesters want? What else was he supposed to address?
How about the illegal occupation of a city for 3 weeks. Yeah, he addressed that.
I don't love Trudeau, didn't vote for him in this last election and probably won't in the next one, but as has been said before, he can't win here.
Maybe he shouldn't have used the emergencies act but I fully support not addressing the protesters.
Ok I'm going to defer to your expertise and say he shouldn't have used the act.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
But see my post above re: the rest.
russell brand and tucker carlson are crying about the emergency act for two weeks and have only weighed in on ukraine to say it was our fault before going back to complaining about justin. the ‘truckers’ are free, go hang your canadian flags upside down and embarrass yourselves more so i can laugh at you. and the foreign sources for funding this thing are not cool.
Liked- Lee,Silly, DanoT and Grinch!Quote:
Originally Posted by sillybunt2
Yeah some people are just not going to let the whole emergency act thing goQuote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
Not even an exciting 1st world war can distract them
Russel Brand it going after the NIH and Covid. He smells blood in the water
Ottawa and Ontario were responsible for, and could and should have dealt with the situation, but were demonstrably weak, indecisive, and incapable (a good argument against ill considered diversity hires) and didn’t. Most people in the Country were thoroughly fed up with indulging this nonsense, so the Feds enacted temporary legislation to enable them to take charge, put competent people in place, and acted decisively, effectively, and proportionately, then rescinded the legislation. An easy win for Trudeau amongst those not living in La La land.
^^that about covers it
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"Bouncy Castle Convoy"....It all depends on your perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
While the PM invokes the Emergencies Act it still needs to be ratified by Parliament (which it was) and the Senate (where it was unlikely to pass). Senators are appointed for life by whatever political party is in power but most senators are independent and have no formal affiliation with any party.Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
There were protests all over the country but most were day events and everyone went home at night. A few places (like the Pacific border crossing in Surrey, BC) turned in blockades but they were shut down by the police after a few days without any need for the Emergencies Act. Maybe we have more experience with mobs and rioting (Go Canucks Go).
The police have a long history of letting protests turn into blockades, getting a court order and then diffusing the situation. I think the Ottawa police chief did nothing because he had no support or direction from the province or federal governments. They all ran and hid.
How is Russell Brand still relevant? I hadn't heard his name mentioned in a decade prior to a couple weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
Outrage commentary is what sells
I've only watched Russell Brand a few times and don't know much about him, but 5 Million subscribers on Youtube have different viewing habits.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Yup.Quote:
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He used to vilify mainstream media but now acts just like them with clickbait titles etc.
The protestors were incoherent, inarticulate and an utter mess. Addressing them would have been window - dressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
BUT Trudeau campaigned on unity, If you have small children throwing tantrums and stamping their feet (analogy picked deliberately) if you're the national leader campaigning on unity and putting up a big old bullshit act of inclusiveness then at least pretend to listen to them. Mouth some platitudes and all that jazz but at least try to pretend. Sure it's window-dressing but at least try. That's your job.
There's ample room for argument that the munis and the provinces were such bumbling dunderheads (an indisputable factoid if there was ever one) that the feds, and therefore Trudeau took the black hat mantle and ran with it ie someone had to do it. Again, that he clamped down hard via Emergencies Act and then very quickly rescinded it is good. But query again, whether one should ever let it get to that situation of needing the Emergencies Act.Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
That a mob of petulant incoherent truckers held cities and border crossings hostage is nuts and a failure of government. Passing the buck between various levels of government seems like a copout
I respectfully disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
You could make an argument that he should have sat with them about the trucker vaccination law... but like I said before, that was never the point of the protest and that was quickly apparent when the other demands came in.
But if you think the emergencies act was an overstep because there were other channels that the provinces and municipalities could have used, it seems reasonable to expect the province to sit down with them to discuss the cancelling of all health mandates... not Trudeau because public health measures are not his jurisdiction or his job.
You don't complain to your accountant that your doctor is being a douche and expect your accountant to do anything about it.
Guess people forget or are just naive that there are multiple federal covid mandates affecting all Canadians, that the federal government is the one Implementing them and that the federal government is providing 7 billion dollars to provinces to help federalize and implement provincial passports. Not to mention that the federal government shut down the entire Country in March/April 2020, but it’s not there jurisdiction...eye roll, leave poor Justyn out of this, he’s just a puppet.... Apparently Covid and covid vaccines have given cdn’s dementia because nobody seems remember anything anymore...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
More protesters converging on Victoria this weekend for another protest or maybe they already have, i would think the po-po are ready for them
so I checked the CBC news and there were NO stories of any kind that Ottawa convoy took all the air out of the room and then the Ukraine situ finished it off in the news cycle
saw a freedom protest in montreal escorted by the cops for their dumb parade. it was about 1/100th the size of the one protesting the actions of an actual tyrant.
Dear lord.Quote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
Even your fearless leader Jason Kenney had to admit he needed measures in place... yet this is somehow all Trudeaus fault.
Riiiiighhhhht.
Giving provinces money and resources to implement a plan is not forcing them to do anything... they did it on their own.
Literally nothing is all 1 persons fault... why can't you anti-trudeau types recognize that? When you blame 1 thing for literally all your problems, do you know what you sound like? A conspiracy theorist.
" What many convoy protesters get wrong about constitutional rights and the Governor General "
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cha...ness-1.6365223
just about everything