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Also dude, Canadien refers to French Canadians, which is a minority of the population. I know you're being cute and all, but you're actually referring to a very specific segment of the population. It's like if I was talking about Americans, but kept referring to them as Italian-Americans or what have you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asspen
Is Manitoba a place? Never heard of it. Is it like Saskatoon? That’s a place, right?
I don't think the situation of a vax passport is anywhere near addressed and the border isnt openned anyway so no rush
It's right next to that place that rhymes with Vagina.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
Wait... there won't be any Rush?! What're people gonna listen to, Nickelback? Pfft...
BC has restricted travel within BC the point of not being allowed to go from one part of a city to another.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
This type of TC is rarely warranted, much less effective, unless you have a huge disparity in prevalence AND susceptibility between the areas: one region that is truly clean and unvaccianted vs another area that has high prevalence. Then you effectively establish a cordon sanitaire like what China tried and failed to do early in the emerging outbreak (think January 2020). But proper application of this measure is at the boundary between clean and infected regions, not "no mingling between any sub-area of a city/province" without regard to local prevalence rates vs vaccination rates. There is no consideration for that and so what is accomplished? Curtailing freedom and economic activity for very little benefit!
The virus is everywhere. Primary TC is by local restrictions on masking, distancing, and gatherings/business, not by sub-regional travel restrictions. The level of TC you gain by subregional or regional travel restrictions is minimal.
Vaccinate the shit out of everyone ASAP while you mask+distance+curtail large indoor gatherings, then release restrictions on the vaccinated, and that is the key to population and economic health.
SaskadelphiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Totally. The Tragically Hip are the quintessential Canadian band.
...or were.
yep, that's what some virus some day will do....end humanityQuote:
Originally Posted by danmelon
Good to know, i guess since the only sexy Canadiens are the french ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by danmelon
All i can picture are terrance and phillip hurling profanities at each other with split heads, eh.
lolwut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Health regions in bc dont seperate individual cities. The lowermainland/vancouver and surrounding area is one health region. Like the interior health region, north hr and ismand hr. Most of the rona and the variants are in the lower msinlsnd. I thonk it makes sense to contain the spread until the percentage of fully vaxxed peopke is higher than currently. Hoping to get my 2nd shot next month so i cany see any drastic changes in current restrictions for another couple months. July 1st might be trickyQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
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I think restricting people's movements between health districts has more to do with keeping the population near their local clinics and hospitals, so that the smaller facilities don't get overwhelmed by a bunch of sick tourists.
Yes, that for sure. Overwhelming the health care system is one of the top metrics in relaxing or tightening the restrictions. Florida not so much. People go broke paying for their hc everyday so that metric seems a bit watered down south of the 48
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Sounds like Summit also misspoke about BC’s policies.
Yep I misread what the zones were, I thought they were much smaller.
I still stand by my statements that the travel bans are not accomplishing much.
Ha! Take away the visits to Costco and Trader Joes 15min south of the border and tell me those stats again ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by smmokan
Wow, I get tied up for 1 day, and geeze, you BC rec and Montreal strip club lovers get busy!
For the BC health authority statements, remember that outside of the lower mainland, our demographics are very monochromatic. As in pale. In the coastal and fraser health authorities, this is a whole other challenge, even with the english speaking demographic. Heck, fisheries Canada is having a hell of a time stopping people gathering shellfish in the fraser delta despite all the english signs saying the clams and such are likely poisonous. Education is still the desire, so getting signs in south and east asian languages is the next step to curb the problem. I am a bit surprised closing travel to/from India took so long.
Long story short though, we are not the US. It's our house, and despite the obvious adulation that we are a smarter country than yourselves, we are still largely governed by our emotions. And we don't trust our southern neighbours.
Sorry, but essential business other than tourism travel is still there - your needs to rip the mtb park in whistler, or book a ski lodge trip this winter doesn't really resonate with the public here at large. You may demand an explanation, but we are not obligated to concede to your wishes. The border will open when it opens. But the last 20min reading this has certainly been entertaining - thanks!
Gotta love freedom, eh? ;) :D
That plus my guess is that more Canadians own second properties in the US than vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCMtnHound
Old people/snowbirds out number skiers. East coast families - disneyland , west coast- disney world or is it the opposite. Anyway more people want to escape the cold rather than embrace it. That has to account for a lot of the cross border disparity.
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go to any hospitol give em yer ID and you are in, i think the idea is to keep the virus from traveling and spreading to other groups of people, covid can't travel so its the people who move it, nice people who can afford to travelQuote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Where's the love for Frōzen Ghōst?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
I confess...I actually really enjoy some Bare Naked Ladies when I am in the mood.
Fat the whuck? Who's gonna buy an epic pass again without Whistler? Any Maple Leaf on this forum know if/when the border is likely to open?
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No A line for you!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXnTbmPxv5gQuote:
Originally Posted by rideit
fuck that noise. lets getter goin on the mitchell there bud.
Did anyone tell this strain that it has to come directly from India only and can't go through any other countries first?Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Huh? This is like when americans try to tell people living in Europe they aren't really "free."Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
I'm literally picking up the in-laws from the airport in Toronto tomorrow, coming from North Van. Delete your facebook account, please.
So you guys arent travel restricted? Thought everyone was just huddled in their homes guzzling maple syrup?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
There's been lots of talk about provincial health restrictions vis-a-vis inter and intra provincial travel, but this has zilch to do with the border which is control by the federal government. The federal government is a lot more cautious than most provincial governments with respect to COVID, so don't hold out hope it will be aligned with provincial re-opening, because it wont.Quote:
Originally Posted by amoeba
While provincial governments are eager to begin re-opening the economy, the Feds have taken a much more cautious approach indicating they don't see the pandemic easing until September. Specific to the border, they have now begun giving thought to when it may open but we are definitely not talking about June, and I suspect they'll wait til September at the earliest. They are being ultra-conservative and talking about metrics based on fully vaxxed vs one dose.
The other sticky truth is that the border closure is pretty popular in Canada, not because we like to scoop all the pow or any anti-tourist sentiment, but again because we are more cautious all the while being overtly aware that our neighbours down south are not. Latest poll says about half still support a closure until September. Given we will likely be in a fall federal election, I don't suspect the feds will be in a rush to move on this.
I wonder how different the numbers would be if Canadians couldn't travel to the U.S. right now? Yes, the current rules make it somewhat onerous when Canadians return to Canada, but if you've got the time you can still travel here (and you can also cheat the system by re-entering by land). That's been one of the things that's been irksome for me. Canadians don't want Americans traveling there, but for some reason it's okay for them to leave the country if they so desire. Definitely a double standard at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peyto
This was easier to believe when the numbers in the US were way worse than Canada. Now that rate of the infection and vaccination are about the same, it is difficult to understand how allowing vaccinated Americans in would somehow make the situation worse in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peyto
I don't know the numbers of Canadians who are traveling south, but the quarantine requirements mean that as you say, its mostly snowbirds and the wealthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
I disagree with your take on there being a double standard though - if the US wants to put quarantine requirements on those entering they're welcome to and the Canadian government certainly wouldn't protest. They'd probably love that as it would reduce the amount of Canadians traveling abroad (there is still a blanket travel advisory).
justin said that the plan was 75% vaccinated and the border opens. maybe he hopes to encourage people to get jabbed rather than it seeming like life is already back to normal. lots of handwringing about this policy. you guys have family here? factories to visit?
With either of those you can come btw.
Canadians can fly into the US for any reason, but Americans cannot fly into Canada (unless essential purpose).Quote:
Originally Posted by Peyto
I think you also need to view this historically. Yes, right now the numbers may be comparable, but overall the U.S. has been much, much worse. Vaccinations are almost certainly going to keep things lower going forward, but do you want to bank on that? It also makes sense to wait until at least the adult population of both countries has had a chance to get fully vaccinated. We're getting close to that here in the U.S., but Canada is a bit behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
Because we are as a population more cautious than Americans in almost all regards, and the pandemic has highlighted that difference. "Peace, order, and good government," vs. "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," y'know?Quote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
I would add that our percentage of people with one dose is now the same, but we have not dished out nearly as many total doses per capita. I agree with you that the risk is minimal but if you're a cautious federal government spooked by variants and the unknowns you're going to wait until September, especially when your voters agree with you.
Had to google that. Man, they check a lot of 80s boxes. Mullets, headbands, trench coats... dude even breaks out the sax for a solo - and is somehow now wearing glasses?! I guess he's reading the sheet music, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
They remind me of a less good Larry Gowan (if such a thing is possible)
The Canadian government has a standard that says anyone, Canadian or otherwise must quarantine upon arrival in Canada. The US has a standard that says you do not need to quarantine upon arrival in the US. There are two standards by two sovereign government, either of which has the jurisdiction to change the standard if they wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by altasnob
It is not the job of the Canadian government to adequately protect access to the United States, that's your job and how you chose to do so is your domain.
Yeah, I only remember them from going to Toronto when I was a teenager in the mid '80s. I kept seeing Frozen Ghost posters all over the shops on Yonge Street and wondering who the heck they were. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Yes, absolutely, but that difference likely affects how the populations of the two countries feel about the border closure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peyton
While summit is wrong about the nuts and bolts of it, BC really did ask people not to travel outside of their health regions.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626