I don't get being pissed about that. i don't get being pissed about the mandates going away at this point. it seems the people who would be pissed are the craziest karens of society and should not be catered to.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
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I don't get being pissed about that. i don't get being pissed about the mandates going away at this point. it seems the people who would be pissed are the craziest karens of society and should not be catered to.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Its funny when you start from the point of view that those who disagree with you must disagree with you because they are mentally deficient, you find evidence to support that. Ironic to me that you don't see your own inability in that. Starting from the standpoint that people can have valid reasons for interpreting information differently than you, or different ways of excpressing similar values, and trying to understand why they might is a bit too grown up for you I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by shafty85
If these shots worked great, had transparent trial data to accuratly understand risks and efficacy, (instead of largely basing it on case and death rates with no control group) there might be some sort of moral leg to stand on for vaccines mandates.
Does anyone actually believe the shots will end covid? Serious question? Do you guys all actually still believe that? If all the unvaxxed took them would covid be over? Or are we mad at the unvaxxed because if they stop resisting the government will relax control and let things go back to normal?
Yea I don't think honking at turdoh who is no longer in the city is winning them many friends. They need better strategy. That is the problem with all protests these days, too focused on what is emotionally gratifying and not enough on the strategic goals and a real plan on how to get them. This one honestly seems better in that way than others, but the bar has been set so low in that regard by both blm and even lower of course by jan 6th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
You're right, it is written at a grade 6 reading level which counts many of these "freedom fighters" out, as they can't read it let alone understand it. Think of how smart the average person is. Now think half the people walking around aren't even that smart. You don't need to know how to read to watch you tube videos and yell like a toddler about something that you think you understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by pano-dude
There are only nine people in this country that can decide if your rights and freedoms have been taken. The yokels hillbillying in Ottawa have the wrong house, the PM can't do shit, they need to be at the Supreme Court down the block. Furthermore, it will be rare to prove any rights/freedoms have been taken. Most have just lost privileges that they used to have like going to eat in a restaurant.
I’d say you just added a data point in favor of shaftys hypothesis with that response.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
You still haven't given me your address so I can set up my counter protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by pano-dude
Because freedom and stuff.
No that's unlikely to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
But the shots absolutely did help prevent a lot of death and the health care system being overrun up until now.
At this point I'd actually suggest we give in to their demands, as long as anyone who chooses to ignore public health measures regarding covid (to which there is actually a metric of fuck tonne of data to support their efficacy), also signs away their right to receive health care for covid.
I.e. if they won't do the bare minimum to even protect themselves, they can die alone in the alley next to the hospital.
If this is all such a hoax then that should be an easy choice for them to make, right?
Freedom!
I don't think it's time to allow unvaxxed people into Canada, there are still a lot of cases and people dying, but I am not a health minister either. In a month it could be true. Until then, I am glad they are dropping the testing requirements for Canadians but I don't see why they should punish foreigners who are also vaxxed. Let people come in and spend. That announcement should follow the one for Canadians shortly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
Most of the mandates are provincial. If people don't like the rules of the province, they should punish those leaders. I personally feel like deleting the vaccine passport apps in the google/apple stores like Alberta is doing serves no purpose and it's too early, but that is their business.
As far as media bias goes, I have been super impressed with the cbc. It is obviously center-left in general, but the conversations are always super respectful and I hear plenty of opinions for people I wouldn't hear from otherwise, on the right and left. The only people crying about bias seem to be the same people off the deep end with Q or listen to Tucker/The Blaze all day and think that is "fair and balanced".
Does anyone show the whole side of the story more factually than the cbc? What facts do they get wrong? They certainly nailed the size of the convoy without diminishing it, unlike Fox and co that flat out lied about 60k.
Sucks that covid is so divisive and that my family can't come and visit but the brain worms from down south can come over freely.
I'm ok with them getting treatment, but I think they should have to pay for it. A $25 shot or $25k, as a tax payer I know what option works best for the country. Why should we pay for their ignorance and selfishness?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
I agree that the CBC is centre-left (hint, so is most of the country) but relatively free of bias and sensationalism. CTV is another good source for unbiased news.Quote:
Does anyone show the whole side of the story more factually than the cbc? What facts do they get wrong? They certainly nailed the size of the convoy without diminishing it, unlike Fox and co that flat out lied about 60k.
Covid is already rampant in Canada. Letting people cross the borders, sick, vaccinated or not, isn't going to make any meaningful difference.
On the other hand, the hospitals in Alberta are jam packed... with vaxxed and unvaxxed.
My mum has COPD and got a cold... tested 5 times for covid and all negative... but she developed breathing problems and needed to go to the hospital.
While being tested in hospital (for the 5th time in 3 days) she told the nurse if she tested positive she would be eligible for antiviral treatments because she is high risk with COPD. The nurse told her there isn't much supply of those drugs and they tend to reserve them for unvaccinated patients because they have worse outcomes than those who are vaccinated. That is a fucking travesty. Let that unvaxxed person fend for themselves and let's help my mum who is tripple vaxxed and doing everything she can to protect herself.
Also, when I left emerg after dropping her off, the hallways were FULL of patients on gurneys with many paramedics waiting with them. They can't leave the patient until they are into the hospital system and there's no space or people to get them into the system so they wait in the hallways.
Shit is fucking real here.
Canada's COVID rates are absolutely plummeting and the 7 day cumulative incidence, besides being on the absolute steep downtrend, is only about 150/100K which is pretty low in relative terms of Omicron in a highly vaccinated population.
By the time a policy change is decided and implemented, even if the process started today, the realized 7 day incidence will already probably be below 50/100K and trending down further, solidly in the deceleration phase of the pandemic.
Just saying, the situation is changing fast and the path is clear.
I'm sure there is local variation and that your healthcare system is plenty vulnerable as Canada has historically lacked hospital capacity.
The point of pushing vaccine at this point is to prevent health system impacts and to protect the individual from severe disease, but Canada is at 90%+ for eligible population and over 50% boosted. I have no sympathy for antivax asshole truckers, but decide strategically where you want to fight your battles at this point, eh?
We don't have enough people or beds to treat everyone. Of throwing more money at it would fix it I would agree with this but it would take years to get people and infrastructure in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tortoise
It does suck if people in Edmonton and Calgary, etc, want measures to protect people and the province takes away the tools to allow bars/restaurants to check vax status or require a mask indoors.
Fuck'em fuck them in the ass those unvaxxed freedumb fighters. Get rid of the mandates and restrictions but treat being unvaxxed as a DNR. Let in every vaxx in the world , sinovax, cubanwax, sputnik whatever just to give them a choice other than "gene therapy".Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
OK calmed down. Yes its time to remove restrictions a bit though to make it a victory for the as my brother in Ottawa put it White Trash, whose leaders called for a coup ref MOU, is a bitter pill for me. The smart people did what they could and the dumb ones , well I don't care anymore and look forward to covid trucker death memes. That pat King guy would be gold. All I can do is wish.
Ref CBC being biased. Yes its pretty woke. But the bias is pretty easy to spot. Nothing is untrue but they spin it a bit and sometimes don't cover stuff that is uncomfortable. My example for that is the grooming scandals in UK. The poster child of multi culturalism and PC gone bad. But do you really want that info in the head of a 45 year old lower social econ class person? I can see CBCs point nothing good can come from that.
Except no one in here is advocating for vaccine mandates. A requirement to be vaxxed to cross the border isn't a vaccine mandate. It's one of many, many rules and restrictions that need to be followed to enter into another country.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
If you don't want to get vaccinated, fine. But as with almost everything in life, if you forego something that almost everyone else is doing, you're going to miss out on some things.
This has been happening in hospitals in major metro areas in Canada for the past decade. Maybe Covid has made it slightly worse, but it's certainly not a new problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...nday-1.6351112
RCMP sieze guns/ body armor at coutts border crossing in alberts ^^ bad optics, pretty dumb
it proves these guys are not just some hard working good old boys there will be less people who are with them
and it gives a really good reason for invoking the emergency measures act
https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wp...-donors-leaked
Hack of freedom convoy donor list shows that 56% of donors were from the U.S., 29% from Canada.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by gavinski91
If the US and Canada's healthcare systems are pushed to the brink from a virus with a 99%+ survival rate, maybe we need to re evaluate what is important RE: capacity for when the next pandemic comes around...
COVID has made it SIGNIFICANTLY worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by gavinski91
And pre-COVID we weren't cancelling elective surgeries because there was no capacity at the hospitals.
My God you are an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asspen
Hi, this is a reminder that hackers have been getting into accounts with stsle old passwords and causing mayhem scamming people in gear swap.
Update your passwords, be wary in gear swap, report suspect activity!
What a coincidence all of a sudden the RCMP got an anonymous tip and knew exactly where to look....Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Just the right amount of info for all the brainwashed liberal followers to justify their hate for the common Canadian.
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There are a bunch of health care professionals who would be back to work on a phone call if the mandates were dropped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
But no, just keep stacking patients up so the general public can hate on the bad unvaccinated...
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Don't see CBC or other news sources reporting on the heavy equipment that was damaged and admitted to by the RCMP on private land....
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Holy shit... you are so fucking disconnected from reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by pano-dude
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Originally Posted by pano-dude
Pano does not disappoint. Had a feeling this conspiracy would pop up after the gun thing was posted.:fuckyou:
And that's the same thing as bringing guns and body armor to a protest?Quote:
Originally Posted by pano-dude
I've been trying to engage with you on your baseless points but I'm done... you are beyond reach.
Welcome to my growing ignore list... I'm surprised you made it this far.
I'm just a guy with Google, but it was the second result: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...test-1.6350336Quote:
Originally Posted by pano-dude
Actualy thehospitol staff are sick of taking care of mostly unvaxed covid patients after 2 yrs and a phone call won't necessarily get them back, we are lucky if they don't all quit
I don't know any common Canadians with body Armour or automatic weapons, if you get caught with either you are in big trouble in Canada
disabling heavy equipment is what the police did it doesnt say what they did but the perps tried to ram them which is generally considered illegal behavior, the fact nobody got hurt is a big thing
in Coutts Ottawa and any where there is a protest be very sure the pop-po are watching & waiting cuz this is a very highly organized protest and its all the same org so now consider they have caught 11 someones to question at coutts in Alberta, some one always sings
Pano dude has been a crayon-eater on this file so expect more of same
well if they have high cap mags then they go to jail whether they had them at protest or not, handguns the same as protest is not on way to range. Handguns and big mags are there to kill people specifically police and you are defending that? Alternate reality or what. I had a anti vaxxer post that Cuba was treating covid with good thoughts and no vaxx, well it turns out they have their own vax and are exporting and are one of the most vaxxed countries on earth. Have approved their vax for kids down to 2. Must be cool to live in a reality where you can makeup whatever you want to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by pano-dude
Amazing that pano rolls with the super knowledgeable 10% of the population while the rest of us are just brainwashed by the cbc. What a legend
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Nah, keep peopel being afraid they'll have to pay for the treatment of a few unvaxxed while the largest transfer of wealth in world history takes place because of these lockdowns and state sponsored vaccine sales. Their future is being stolen from them while they are distracted being scared of shit that really does pose that much danger. A very low mortality virus and a very small amount of possible economic burden on the health care system that wouldn't be the end of the world if the system wasn't predatory to the edge of dysfunction. Make them scared of fellow citizens that disagree with them and trust anything the government says or does because anything is better than someone else being treated with respect. The most important thing is knowing the people I don't like don't get their way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asspen
The safest societies the world has ever seen quaking in fear from a virus that is rarely deadly, ready to give away anything just in the hope that things get back to normal. So eager to blame the unvaxxed because they can't face the fact that this was always going to be endemic and almost everything they were told to the contrary in support of the cash grab vaccines turned out to not be true.
Got to get this vaccine shit back on track
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LOL. There are no lockdowns right now dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
I’m not afraid of you and your ideas or those with whom you have common cause, I just happen to think you are wrong. Except those of you who show up with guns and talk about killing politicians and over throwing the elected government because . . . you don’t want to get a vaccine.
I’m glad I got the $25 dollar shot, lowers my odds of ending up on some ivermectin/regenron/whatever treatment that wil cost at least 100x.
No sense of irony that the people bitching about healthcare being for profit are the same people who have consistently ranked any chance at reform. The. Exact. Same. People.
Cost is 23k to treat a covid patient , on average. Hospitals have been borderline capacity for the last coupld months. I like austrias strategy. Charge the unvaxxed a $4k/3 month tax. That would make up those hc costs. Otherwise they give up a bed if someone else needs it
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you crayon eaters realize this is a thread about Canada, a country to the narth with universal HC ?Quote:
Originally Posted by oldnew_guy
which means you don't have to pay for it
And a fraction of the %of people lose their house to a hc bill
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This is a generaliztion and assumption. You need to interact with people as individuals. You're lumping different issues together to form some sort of idea of who your opposition is based on party lines or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldnew_guy
People who support socialized medicine can distrust these vaccines. I'm one. People who debate you based on talking points you never said because they imagine you're part of the sociopolitical group that would support them are disapointing.
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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
Says the guy who appears to be fine making sweeping generalizations like this:
“Nah, keep peopel being afraid they'll have to pay for the treatment of a few unvaxxed while the largest transfer of wealth in world history takes place because of these lockdowns and state sponsored vaccine sales. Their future is being stolen from them while they are distracted being scared of shit that really does pose that much danger. A very low mortality virus and a very small amount of possible time economic burden on the health care system that wouldn't be the end of the world if the system wasn't predatory to the edge of dysfunction. Make them scared of fellow citizens that disagree with them and trust anything the government says or does because anything is better than someone else being treated with respect. The most important thing is knowing the people I don't like don't get their way.”
Why is it this always seems to be a one way street with the individualists? “Adapt to me, modify your system for me, accommodate my needs”, with little recognition that if you want to act this way you have personal moral responsibility to not harm others, to take care of your own shit, that if you eschew the social contract you shouldn’t expect everyone to be okay with the implicit taking advantage that comes with it? Unless you are a billionaire, we don’t make special rules and systems to accommodate your every desire and preference.
I’ll just put you in the very tiny overlap of people who want socialized medicine but are opposed to the very moderate efforts to contain CoVID including a very small ask regarding a vaccine. If we had socialized medicine it would be even more likely that you would have a vaccine mandate to access it, IMO. I’m still laughing at the “lockdown” comment.
Anyways, to xxx’s point, wrong forum, wrong thread.