Yeah, not exactly sure what their point was with that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
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Yeah, not exactly sure what their point was with that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
did that ^^ happen instead of the 650,000 from COVID ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer-Down
do people catch heart disease, from breathing contaminated air or toilet bowls ?
what about all the people who caught a Fentynal Overdose ?
Username is hammer down. Trucker turned virologist? The markets been flooded with those
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just adding to the pool of useless statistics to keep this thread going for you keyboard quarterbacksQuote:
Originally Posted by The AD
carry on
Confidence wanning hammers the brakes
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he pretty much gave up at the whataboutisms
Haaa, somehow he got the party to wait til spring for a no confidence vote. Subject to change i think
Tdirts boy new it was failing , went on vacation, no updates from the health authority in hopes that the federal cons won. Whole thing reminds me of donnie diaper and deathsantis. Heads are going to roll
Kind of wierd that all the open everything up crowd has gone silent around here. What up homies? All the cons in the house say YEAH!!
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good art in G&M from doc in Nelson, I guess their vax rates are really low? why would that be, old school hippie anti vaxers plus interior rednecks? Strange as Golden has a good vax rate. Like Nelson Golden has not cases throughout other than lately and only one person sent out to get to a ICU.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...exhausted-and/
It's bizarre to me how the Canadian conservatives seem to want to follow the playbook written by a twice-impeached, generally despised failure of a president. They need to rise above the liberals, not sink beneath them.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
A friend of mine in Kamloops who shops at a Health Food store, says that lots of people that shop there are anti-mask/anti-vax and it is because they think they are so healthy they don't need it. So, many in Nelson, the hippie, health conscious capital of Canada, have the same "I'm so healthy I don't need a vaccine" mis-placed attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
fkn hippies, same shit in val david. plus they think if they get covid they can just make a tea with some ditchweed or something.
the demographic of anti vax is pretty much the sameup narth as the USA at this point altho i wonder about the numbers from a per capita perspective ?
lots of conservatives, god heads, anti big pharma, all clogging up the ICU
There's an impressive number of morans posting in this thread. Good to see...
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Shitty situation. Unfortunately the teamdirt and hammer-down types won't read it, or won't believe it, or whatever. Until they get sick of course. Then they'll show up at the hospital acting like assholes and demanding care.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
Its behind a pay wall, so no I'm not reading it unless someone wants to paste it here and I would read it. My GF works in the ER and deals with it daily..........like most of you around here I am sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Best part of this thread is the title
They'll never learn. Bought and paid for following their corporate overlords. I thought i heard its an average of $50k/covid hospital stay, with thousands of 'bertans checking in to the vent hotel they'll need some heavy consumer spending to make up that deficit all while further spreading the rona. Cons cant see past the end of their nose or are terrible at the mathzQuote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
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Kevin McKechnie is a family doctor in Nelson, B.C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer-Down
Nelson is the bucolic mountain town in the Southern Interior of B.C. where I’ve had the privilege of working as a rural family physician for more than a decade. My colleagues and I practise a vanishing style of medicine that allows us to look after patients of all ages, through all stages, in both the community and in hospital. The work is gratifying and richly rewarding, and I never thought I’d question my plans to live out my career here. Sadly, events of the past few weeks have left me wondering.
Until very recently, the pandemic largely spared our community. Owing to our remote location, and blind luck, case counts remained low. I had one patient who spent five weeks in ICU, but his case was an exception, and the scattered handful of local cases were generally mild and self-resolving. Our hospital was not overcapacity, our workloads not overly burdensome and a will to overcome the pandemic seemed to draw the community together. Then, a few weeks ago, everything changed.
Since the beginning of August, Nelson and its surrounding communities have seen an exponential upsurge in COVID-19 cases. Our ICU is overcapacity, our hospital is full, our emergency department is seeing record daily visits, and our testing site can’t keep up with daily demand. Worse still, modelling data suggest case numbers could continue to climb for the next four to five months. Almost all local patients requiring hospitalization for COVID-19 have been unvaccinated, and public-health data demonstrate that the continuing spread is perpetuated almost entirely through those who have chosen not to get vaccinated.
My work as a family doc in this town has consequently become much more challenging. Today, typical of most days this past month, I started early and finished late. In addition to countless other encounters, I attempted to get an unvaccinated 23-year-old woman with worsening COVID-19 to the ICU, but failed because all the ventilators are in use. I called a patient to tell her that her aneurysm surgery has been indefinitely postponed because the hospital has no more capacity. I started an ordinarily resilient and vivacious patient on antidepressants, because after 18 months of trying to remain optimistic about his future, he is sinking. I witnessed a member of our clinic staff being verbally abused by an irate and indignant patient, offended at our clinic’s mask policy. I was asked to write a “medical exemption” letter for a patient with no significant medical condition. I attempted to reassure a pregnant mother, terrified about delivering in our COVID-positive hospital. I cancelled a planned house call (for the second time) with a bed-bound stroke victim, who wanted to discuss Medical Assistance in Dying, because I got called back to hospital at the end of my clinic day.
A summer of hubris has led Canada’s health systems to the verge of collapse
It will take more than money to solve the health care staffing shortage
I care deeply about this town and the people in it. I am committed to providing my patients the highest-quality medicine I know how to deliver. I’m careful not to let bias or differences of opinion affect the care I provide. I am prepared to work as tirelessly as necessary to help get this pandemic under control and restore our town to a semblance of its previous idyllic self.
Unfortunately, I’m finding it increasingly difficult to maintain my motivation. My non-judgmental approach is beginning to wane. I’m becoming exhausted and profoundly demoralized. The personal and professional toll on me, my colleagues and all those working in the health-care sector of our community is enormous.
We have, in vaccines, a tool to put an end to all of this. The data are irrefutable. Should a sufficient number of the unvaccinated get inoculated, we could get our surging local outbreak under control in a matter of weeks. Unfortunately, our town continues to have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the province, and opposition to a vaccine passport program is vocal and strident.
I implore the unvaccinated citizens of our community, and similar communities elsewhere, to step up and do the right thing. Denying the reality of what my colleagues and I are seeing daily is untruthful, demoralizing and harmful. Please prioritize the health of the people around you. Please put aside specious arguments about the erosion of civil liberties or the sanctity of personal health information until we’re at last free of this devastating crisis. We are not being asked to go to war. We are simply being asked to acknowledge real-life evidence, trust in proven science and take a shot in the arm.
Meanwhile, I’ll continue to plug away in our hospital and in my clinic, and do what small things I can to help those affected by this pandemic. I’ll remain hopeful that our town will get itself back on track, and that tolerance, respect and compassion will become the defining characteristics of our community, once again. I love my town, and I’d really like to stick around.
true cons are a bit more likely but the biggest correlation from that CBC which I believe you posted was being a populist , very strong, out west esp and even in Que to I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Same as our health food store, before mandate masks got you the stink eye fi you were masked up ( so MrsDougw told me). They got in some shit inviting some anti lock down guy who also had a lot of lets say other deplorable baggage in his history.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanoT
from the docs in Golden on FB ( no comments allowed as the anti vaxers would be on that like flies on baby shit
"Golden is doing better with our case rate down to 5/100,000 and 4 active cases reported on the BCCDC website as of September 18. Our vaccination rate is up to 90% for first doses in adults. 79% of all eligible people 12+ are fully immunized. However we are still seeing some people who are very ill despite lower numbers, requiring admission and transfer for ICU care.
"Alberta has descended into complete chaos. There are 20,180 active cases, over 1000 people in hospital and 226 of them in ICU. The head of Alberta Health Services has said they are averaging 23 ICU admissions daily and the only reason they can keep up is because the death rate is climbing, with 17 new deaths today. All scheduled surgeries have been cancelled and staff redeployed across the system to care for Covid patients.
"Our neighbors in Northern Health are struggling with a large increase in cases, just as was seen in our region over the late summer. All facilities are overcapacity and Minister Dix announced there will be 15 beds designated in the south to accommodate patients from the north. These dedicated beds will be located in Island Health, Fraser Health and Vancouver Coastal. It should be noted that when the province creates “extra beds” what they really do is increase the workload for our nurses. Nursing teams become responsible for larger numbers of patients, and we are now transporting patients all over the province in order to access appropriate care. Now would be a good time to tell any nurses you know how much you appreciate them!
It is starting to look like not going on a ski trip to the USA this coming season is also going to include not going to Whitewater. The good news is that Whitewater skiers don't ski at Red and visa versa, so little chance of cross contamination. I guess i will do a Red only trip this year or I might stay put.
What about Apex, do you get down there?
I haven't skied Apex in a good many years but had the best powder day of my life there with thigh deep snow on a tree run beside the Gun Barrel run. Spent all day on a Sunday lapping it after a Fri-Sat storm, never saw another person all day out there except at the end of the day, a couple coming back from further out in the trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
Heading down to Kootenay Lk to visit Dad over the next couple weeks with the family. We usually spend a day in Nelson taking in the sites and smells of Baker St. and stopping at a couple shops we like to see when passing through. I think we might forego that little sightseeing excursion. I am also very well aquainted with Dr. McKechnie - pretty decent doc from my experience. I shouldn't be surprised by the situation down there - same people were there 20yrs ago, but perhaps a bit fewer of them - but WTF is with people in general these days. Can't see past the point of their own fucking nose. :nonono2:
Are you vaccinated? I'm kind of thinking unless shit totally hits the fan I DGAF either way - I know I'll be fine (odds are), and once my kids are vaxxed it's game on back to living.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanoT
I felt bullet proof after getting my second vax shot last June but growing numbers of Delta cases and the fact that the vax, while it offers some immunity, but is really best at keeping one out of hospital, has caused me to feel more vulnerable as I am an old retired guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Hospitalizations in B.C. are now the highest they have ever been since the start of the pandemic, mostly unvaxed people, but not all, so I think this is a good time for me personally to be a bit cautious, especially when traveling.
For a better or worse there's lots of time before the season starts. And if it starts sooner and travelling still isn't reasonable I got my in town xc setup ready to go. Prepare yourselves for the flat classic stoke!
like the quote in G&M
"Dr. Verna Yiu, head of Alberta Health Services, said Thursday a key reason intensive-care wards have not been overwhelmed is because enough COVID-19 patients are dying to free up bed space.
I hate to admit it but that in dark way that is kind of funny.
edit to add "they died doing what they loved"
Something to keep in mind for US lurkers AB is running out of ICU beds but even with more than doubling its ICU capacity ( low increase to mod low) it only has one ICU bed per 12000 pop where as in US there is a ICU bed per 2500 pop.
Interesting so I had to look it up: OECD ICU beds.
Canada (#5) - 12.9 bed per 100,000
USA (#3)- 25.8
Germany (#1) - 33.9
Alberta's 1:12,000 is 8.3 beds per 100,000
BC has 10.6 beds per 100,000 plus 4 per 100,000 "surge" beds
Newfoundland & Labrador has the most at 22 beds per 100,000
thats a better place for numbers but my rough math isn't to far off , my number for ICU beds in US comes from CDC and may be more current https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/rep...nt-impact.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Snow Dog
I took the 75 K occupied / by 61% full to get total ICU beds then used 300mil for US pop , so rough
AB number come from G&M
There are 368 intensive-care spaces with 304 patients, most of whom are critically ill with COVID-19, and most of them unvaccinated or partially vaccinated.
Alberta normally has 173 intensive-care spaces but has been converting other spaces, including operating rooms, into ad hoc critical-care wards to meet COVID-19 demand. edit pop AB 4.4 mil
It is understandable that AB has the lowest number as AB is youngest prov.
So it turns out that our medical system in Canada not only doesn't have enough doctors and nurses, looks like we are inadequate when it comes to ICU beds as well.
Damn DougW, that was a sobering article/statement from the Nelson MD. I have an ICU nurse neighbor. Speaking to her a few days ago she said her and most of her colleges are beyond burned out and getting really POed by the non vaccinated cunts out there. She is honestly looking into other areas of work as are many of her colleges. The hospitals will eventually have so few there to work, everyone with an emergency will be endangered because of the non vaccinated. Policies need to be changed to no shot, go home and die until this shit is over.
but it's freeQuote:
Originally Posted by DanoT
Policies do not need to be changed as the correct policies already exist. When a hospital is maxed out with more patients than they can handle they institute Triage, wherein precious resources are allocated to those with the best chance of a positive outcome as a result of aid rendered.Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
The non vaccinated do not fall in the above category as they are in a high risk of death category and thus they become low priority and do not get much attention in a Triage situation.
the usa is expensive, shitty, and has fewer beds every year due to ‘consolidation’.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxman
anyone who looks longingly at the medical system down south already has all the drugs they need.
Our system is overpriced but shitty is not accurate in terms of care. We’re very adept at taking care of our incredibly unhealthy population. We keep people alive that would have been dead twenty years ago. We never used to see morbidly obese diabetics that smoke over the age of 60 thirty years ago. Now we see 80 year olds like that all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
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HC in Canada is not really free but it is universal and it is pretty goodQuote:
Originally Posted by waxman
the current problem is that the crayon eaters are refusing to get a vax
and some of them will die for their choices
Depends on province. Free in Alberta depending on how you want to interpret it.
But go ahead u tell that yank “ waxman” your opinion. Americans like him just are unaware of Canada’s health system. Eye roll....
And so will many, many others who did not have a choice, because some selfish assholes are sandbagging the ICU beds. I'm sure the tune of some people here would change very quickly if their metastasizing cancer won't be able to get cut out for several months because Jim and Jill Hickman are afraid of a needle, yet came racing up to the hospital in their lifted pavement princess the second their lungs started filling up with pus and rotting alveoli.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er