Canada Closed until US Gets Covid 19 Under Control

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Originally Posted by scandy89

These were just a quick google search, I don’t know if they were THE 15, there’s plenty more than these anyway. The medrxiv links are pending peer review, happy to be proven wrong. is the Phizer clinical trial rejected? Do these not pass the Rachel Maddow or Don Lemmon narrative review? That’s literally where the masses are getting their “follow the science” opinions.

Even if peer review certainly doesn’t mean a study is “Dogshit” anyways, look into the data and it’s sources and still tell me it’s dogshit.
Here’s some more if you want..

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.epdf

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...overy-covid-19

Convince me natural immunity isn’t as if not more sufficient. Please.


Typical though, don’t actually address the argument. Just spout childish insults, and throw mainstream media talking points with no backing. So desperate to adhere to what the media, fear porn, big pharma and your political messiah’s tell you with their impeccable reputation of dishonesty, It’s adorable.

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Originally Posted by paulster2626

I've noticed that these people usually don't really have a point. They just like to argue and tell others they are wrong.

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...because they desperately want to be smarter than everyone else

Well it doesn't help that the public messaging is unclear or inconsistent: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...eading/620062/

I think most of the confusion can be chalked up to incompetence on many fronts. What should be universally agreed to is that you need to take care of your health and do your part to not make the problem worse. Good luck getting any consensus regarding how to achieve that.

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Originally Posted by paulster2626

I've noticed that these people usually don't really have a point. They just like to argue and tell others they are wrong. And if you try to suggest otherwise they shout "BIG PHARMA," "CNN," "UNDERLYING CONDITIONS" until they're blue in the face.

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Gotta admit, 'fear porn' was a new one to me.

This thread took a turn for the douche. Wasn't this already discussed. There are studies both ways but the difference if positive was tiny like 2-3%. Can't remember the studies that showed other way but there did seem to be more of them. Ok I can see theoretically natural should be better as anti bodies will also be in mucus your first line of defense and there will also be antibodies to other parts of the virus other than just the one spike protein and therefore be slightly better at handling variants. And compared to the conventional vax like sino and the like, that is probably the case but compared to mRNA it seems to be a dead heat. You get the vax on top of infection you will be a supper immunity guy. Be a big T cell Baller. Don't be a pussy get jabbed. Your superior body will prevent any and all side effects that lesser beings will experience.

Has anyone looked at the FB group BC Businesses against Health Pass seems to be strong in the interior, biz post that they will not be checking etc or their work arounds etc. I was thinking as a joke post a Asian RubNTug, yes kinda racist,
" Come on Number 1 Rub You and get no masks, staff have no masks as they carry every disease possible including Yellow Fever, Covid, TB and lots of STDs. Even floor has lots of rusty nails so you get lock jaw. Come and test your natural immune system. Free from 20 century medicine let alone 21st. Also offer blood letting and leaches. On site barber can remove teeth then give you shave and haircut."

maybe too much

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Originally Posted by scandy89

Hahaha isn’t this the one the CDC admitted was an “honest mistake”?

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Nope. Literally what I refer my patients to when imploring them to get vaccinated after I discharge them.

In addition to https://www.science.org/doi/full/10....cience.abg9175

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Originally Posted by scandy89

And wrote 5 limitations of the study.

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If you were familiar with literature review you would know that acknowledging limitations is an essential component of any published work. Won't get published without that section.

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Originally Posted by scandy89

They even say “findings cannot be used to infer causation”..

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Is there a facepalm emoji here somewhere? Here's some homework: Explain what a case control study is and why it could never be used to infer causality. Bonus question: Explain why someone would use this design.

/Rant.
Apologies for cunting up the thread everyone, hope y'all can come down and sample some 'murican freedom soon. Except for Scandy. Maybe his mom can keep him locked in the basement until this is over, for everyone else's good.

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Originally Posted by Huskydoc

Nope. Literally what I refer my patients to when imploring them to get vaccinated after I discharge them.


If you were familiar with literature review you would know that acknowledging limitations is an essential component of any published work. Won't get published without that section.



Is there a facepalm emoji here somewhere? Here's some homework: Explain what a case control study is and why it could never be used to infer causality. Bonus question: Explain why someone would use this design.

/Rant.
Apologies for cunting up the thread everyone, hope y'all can come down and sample some 'murican freedom soon. Except for Scandy. Maybe his mom can keep him locked in the basement until this is over, for everyone else's good.

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Might wanna double check that one, 3 people including the deputy director at the CDC admitted the flaw. You’ll look at this shit study but ignore the Israel studies? That even Lord Fauci said need to be considered?

And that’s my point, a case study looking retrospectively at this data can’t infer causation. I’ll even give it to you that it’s a study worth looking at and considering. But to take this one pretty flawed example and ignore so many others seems pretty silly. I can sit down and talk to my functional Med doctors about this, but the general practice docs don’t seem to be able to step beyond being a pharma salesman.

“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”

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Originally Posted by The AD

What exactly is your point, Scandy? Is it only that natural immunity is better than the vaccine? Even if that's true do you think people who have never had Covid should get vaccinated? With closing in on six billion shots administered are you willing to admit that the vaccines are safe?

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My point is that each individual needs to look at their own personal situation. Not just follow the mass psychosis everyone seems to be in where taking any consideration into whether you should get the shot gets you shamed.

I do think if you haven’t had covid you should talk to a good doctor who will actually have a non biased discussion about getting the shot. For certain at risk people i definitely think the benefits of the shot outweigh the risks for some people.

I even said I’d consider the first shot if I feel like I’m at risk. But at this point I don’t think it’s worth it considering I have what the most recent data is saying, very good immunity and I’d like to see more long term and complete data. The Pfizer trial showing worse all cause death for the control group is concerning, especially when 2 people in the placebo group who got the vaccine after the trial also died of heart attacks. It’s bullshit that trial was only 6 months, I’d like to see that for 2 years as it should have been. And that they got rid of the placebo group by allowing them to vaccinate completely eliminates the chance at finding good long term data. Any vaccine I get I’ve looked into as much data as I could and talked to doctors about it before deciding for or against. And I just don’t think the data we have is sufficient yet.

The doctor I’m talking to has concerns over what he’s seen with lower natural T cells in vaccinated people, and wants to see if and how long lasting that is, he’s doing his own research with patients he’s having get a D-dimer test as he’s concerned with what he’s seeing in his vaccinated patients. This is a doctor who’s recommended that his older or unhealthy patients get the vaccine, it’s the kind of open curiosity that seems to be completely lacking in just about anyone.

My point is, you’re supposed to “trust the science” yet when I talk to literal experts and they don’t align completely with the TV doctor and media talking points, I get a whole book of labels thrown at me by people who formed their opinion based on feedback they get from society and peers rather than truth. It’s turned into a religion.

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by scandy89

My point is that each individual needs to look at their own personal situation. Not just follow the mass psychosis everyone seems to be in where taking any consideration into whether you should get the shot gets you shamed.

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This is where I believe you are wrong. All of us who have been vaccinated have taken the risks into consideration before doing so and we've concluded that the trivial risks associated with vaccine are massively overshadowed by the public health benefit of having as much of the population vaccinated against COVID-19 as possible. We don't consider it "mass psychosis." We consider it doing what's right for humanity.

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Originally Posted by scandy89

My point is that each individual needs to look at their own personal situation. Not just follow the mass psychosis everyone seems to be in where taking any consideration into whether you should get the shot gets you shamed.

I do think if you haven’t had covid you should talk to a good doctor who will actually have a non biased discussion about getting the shot. For certain at risk people i definitely think the benefits of the shot outweigh the risks for some people.

I even said I’d consider the first shot if I feel like I’m at risk. But at this point I don’t think it’s worth it considering I have what the most recent data is saying, very good immunity and I’d like to see more long term and complete data. The Pfizer trial showing worse all cause death for the control group is concerning, especially when 2 people in the placebo group who got the vaccine after the trial also died of heart attacks. It’s bullshit that trial was only 6 months, I’d like to see that for 2 years as it should have been. And that they got rid of the placebo group by allowing them to vaccinate completely eliminates the chance at finding good long term data. Any vaccine I get I’ve looked into as much data as I could and talked to doctors about it before deciding for or against. And I just don’t think the data we have is sufficient yet.

The doctor I’m talking to has concerns over what he’s seen with lower natural T cells in vaccinated people, and wants to see if and how long lasting that is, he’s doing his own research with patients he’s having get a D-dimer test as he’s concerned with what he’s seeing in his vaccinated patients. This is a doctor who’s recommended that his older or unhealthy patients get the vaccine, it’s the kind of open curiosity that seems to be completely lacking in just about anyone.

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How do you know your doctor is good? Because they're telling you what you want to hear?

My doctor sent me a notification saying to get vaccinated ASAP. He's a good doctor, you should talk to him instead.

Edit; I will concede that I personally have never looked in to data for any vaccine I've ever taken. Ever. And I never will. Because what the fuck is dumbass Paulster telecom expert going to figure out about a medicine that hundreds (thousands?) of people who know what they're doing have not? I'm not that narcissistic.

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Originally Posted by The AD

This is where I believe you are wrong. All of us who have been vaccinated have taken the risks into consideration before doing so and we've concluded that the trivial risks associated with vaccine are massively overshadowed by the public health benefit of having as much of the population vaccinated against COVID-19 as possible. We don't consider it "mass psychosis." We consider it doing what's right for humanity.

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Plus, any doctor who willingly puts their patients' health at risk while they hum and haw over their own 'research' in direct contrast to the world's scientific consensus, sucks ass.

I'll put the people who developed this medicine and the peeps over in Health Canada over this super-smart doctor any day.

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Originally Posted by The AD

This is where I believe you are wrong. All of us who have been vaccinated have taken the risks into consideration before doing so and we've concluded that the trivial risks associated with vaccine are massively overshadowed by the public health benefit of having as much of the population vaccinated against COVID-19 as possible. We don't consider it "mass psychosis." We consider it doing what's right for humanity.

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Hey if you did take the risks into consideration and look into it for yourself that’s awesome and I applaud yours and anyone else’s decision. But I feel you might be in the minority.

I ask real basic questions to vaccinated friends and they have no clue what im talking about. I’ve brought up the ineffectiveness against delta and they still think they’re completely immune and run around acting like it. And that’s the harm in the narratives being pushed by mainstream media and social media. It encourages ignorance. And I blame right wing news just as much for pushing the other side without encouraging people look into it.

And in terms of doing what’s right for humanity I guess that gets into much more of a philosophical discussion of does a focus on the greater good, or a focus on the individual create the best society, the most amount of good, and the most cooperation when needed.

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Originally Posted by scandy89

And in terms of doing what’s right for humanity I guess that gets into much more of a philosophical discussion

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In this case, no, it's a question of reducing deaths and hospitalizations.

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Originally Posted by paulster2626

Plus, any doctor who willingly puts their patients' health at risk while they hum and haw over their own 'research' in direct contrast to the world's scientific consensus, sucks ass.

I'll put the people who developed this medicine and the peeps over in Health Canada over this super-smart doctor any day.

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Oh man I really don’t want to get into this but the people who developed the medicine, if by that you mean the companies, are the last people I’d trust. Like Pfizer who paid the largest criminal fine in US history at the time? Only
to be beat by another pharma company GSK a few years later? Or Merck selling and falsely advertising vioxx while they knew it was killing 10s of thousands of people potentially into the 100k’s?

Man I used to get called a lefty for hating big pharma, how the turns have tabled.

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Originally Posted by The AD

In this case, no, it's a question of reducing deaths and hospitalizations.

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Eh I think it still applies, what’s more effective, Hoping for top down control and force to do it? Or bottom up cooperation from the individuals. I think the reason you see so much resistance is how much it’s being forced on people. A good half the population doesn’t respond well to that.

What is the option? Its either vax or infection, that is becoming apparent. I'm almost at the point that everyone without a vax passport having to be infected by force and stay at home. Fight it off old school like 1830s at home using your YouTube knowledge.

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Originally Posted by scandy89

Eh I think it still applies, what’s more effective, Hoping for top down control and force to do it? Or bottom up cooperation from the individuals. I think the reason you see so much resistance is how much it’s being forced on people. A good half the population doesn’t respond well to that.

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Well, at least here in the U.S. the bottom up approach was tried for many months, and ultimately that failed to produce the desired results.

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Originally Posted by scandy89

Oh man I really don’t want to get into this but the people who developed the medicine, if by that you mean the companies, are the last people I’d trust. Like Pfizer who paid the largest criminal fine in US history at the time? Only
to be beat by another pharma company GSK a few years later? Or Merck selling and falsely advertising vioxx while they knew it was killing 10s of thousands of people potentially into the 100k’s?

Man I used to get called a lefty for hating big pharma, how the turns have tabled.

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"BIG PHARMA" - we got one!

You totally have a point. Vaccines must be unsafe. Good for you for being smarter than the rest! Enjoy your natural immunity, and good luck.

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Originally Posted by The AD

Well, at least here in the U.S. the bottom up approach was tried for many months, and ultimately that failed to produce the desired results.

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Eh I think it was the instant politicization of it. Last year the left were saying they wouldn’t trust a vaccine rushed to market by Trump, then now it’s obviously swapped. I think that had the same effect, one side pushing and shaming the other right off the bat. I never heard a “hey you should talk your doctor to see if this makes sense for you” approach from either side

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Originally Posted by paulster2626

"BIG PHARMA" - we got one!

You totally have a point. Vaccines must be unsafe. Good for you for being smarter than the rest! Enjoy your natural immunity, and good luck.

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natural immunity is a conspiracy invented by trump

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Originally Posted by scandy89

Eh I think it was the instant politicization of it. Last year the left were saying they wouldn’t trust a vaccine rushed to market by Trump, then now it’s obviously swapped. I think that had the same effect, one side pushing and shaming the other right off the bat. I never heard a “hey you should talk your doctor to see if this makes sense for you” approach from either side

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I don't recall a single American I know saying that.

Fauci, CNN, all that shit was always saying talk to your doctor. I heard that ad nauseum. Of course, I don't have facebook and my youtube algorithms are all about baseball and lawn maintenance.

Please take your polyass bullshit to the polyass area.

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Originally Posted by scandy89

Eh I think it still applies, what’s the most effective method

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misuse of the word eh ^^

its suposed to go at the back

obviously not a Canadian eh

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Originally Posted by scandy89

I’ve brought up the ineffectiveness against delta..... (absolutely verifiable false statement) and they still think they’re completely immune and run around acting like it.... (if so, they're ignorant, but it fits your narrative) And that’s the harm in the narratives being pushed by mainstream media and social media. It encourages ignorance.

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Your narrative, the antivax crowd, is what is encouraging ignorance

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Originally Posted by paulster2626

I don't recall a single American I know saying that.

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That bit was fair, because both Biden and Harris--while running against Trump last year--said (in effect) "Trump has been completely untrustworthy on everything related to Covid, so are you going to listen to him when he says take the vaccine? Instead, listen to the experts like Fauci." So there's nuance there, but scandy89 is correct about the politicization.

What does any of this shit have to do with the border reopening?
Scandy… I assumed you’re American… do you even want to come to Canada?


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Originally Posted by k2skier112

Your narrative, the antivax crowd, is what is encouraging ignorance

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ays/ar-AANeON9

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm


But it’s cool, just keep running around like you’re bulletproof. This is the issue, the people I bring this to have way too much blind faith, thinking it’s sims conspiracy theory that they can still catch it.

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Originally Posted by scandy89

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ays/ar-AANeON9

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm


But it’s cool, just keep running around like you’re bulletproof. This is the issue, the people I bring this to have way too much blind faith, thinking it’s sims conspiracy theory that they can still catch it.

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You ignorant fucking cunt!!!!! I never said I was bullet proof!!! Reading comprehension much, dipshit...

Try reading, then think about if for a few minutes, then post.
One more time for the stoopids like you; "and they still think they’re completely immune and run around acting like it".... (if so, they're ignorant, but it fits your narrative)

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Originally Posted by scandy89

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ays/ar-AANeON9

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm


But it’s cool, just keep running around like you’re bulletproof. This is the issue, the people I bring this to have way too much blind faith, thinking it’s sims conspiracy theory that they can still catch it.

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e4/27...da7484874d.jpg

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Originally Posted by scandy89

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ays/ar-AANeON9

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm


But it’s cool, just keep running around like you’re bulletproof. This is the issue, the people I bring this to have way too much blind faith, thinking it’s sims conspiracy theory that they can still catch it.

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No vaccinated people I know are running around thinking they're bulletproof. If that's what you're seeing with your peers, understand you've surrounded yourself with idiots.

Edit thanks k2 didn't see your reply.

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Originally Posted by k2skier112

You ignorant fucking cunt!!!!! I never said I was bullet proof!!! Reading comprehension much, dipshit...

Try reading, then think about if for a few minutes, then post.
One more time for the stoopids like you; "and they still think they’re completely immune and run around acting like it".... (if so, they're ignorant, but it fits your narrative)

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Haha calm down buddy. You said The ineffectiveness against delta was an “absolutely verifiable false statement” that’s the thinking of the “running around like they’re bulletproof crowd”

Time for the resident dirtbag with 5 tv channels and living with 5+ roomies, not to mention freshly off government handouts to restart name-calling and provide us with his advanced opinions...lol sub 14K posts

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Originally Posted by scandy89

Haha calm down buddy. You said The ineffectiveness against delta was an “absolutely verifiable false statement” that’s the thinking of the “running around like they’re bulletproof crowd”

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My god your a piece of fucking shit
Just shut your ignorant mouth

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Originally Posted by k2skier112

My god your a piece of fucking shit
Just shut your ignorant mouth

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you should take a break from the internet....just saying...might help your mental health....

So about that border crossing…
Argue away in the other 3-5 Covid threads.

I miss heading south… and we miss the yankee dollars. Covid sucks all over North America… I for one welcome our southernly neighbors and look forward to visiting our American brethren soon.


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So about that border crossing…
Argue away in the other 3-5 Covid threads.

I miss heading south… and we miss the yankee dollars. Covid sucks all over North America… I for one welcome our southernly neighbors and look forward to visiting our American brethren soon.


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I've been wondering how much hate we would get if we did a Christmas break trip to ski Lake Louise. Just canceled our Hawaii plans.

Yikes

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Originally Posted by yeahman

I've been wondering how much hate we would get if we did a Christmas break trip to ski Lake Louise. Just canceled our Hawaii plans.

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Zero, you’ll have a blast I’m sure.

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Originally Posted by k2skier112

My god your a piece of fucking shit
Just shut your ignorant mouth

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I can see your face getting red from here😡 don’t break your keyboard 😘 ❤️