except theres 15 studies showing it does, just like literally every other virus, at least better than the vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
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except theres 15 studies showing it does, just like literally every other virus, at least better than the vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
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Originally Posted by The AD
Never said it was just about me, i'll just point out that my natural immunity is doing more to reduce spread than someone with the vaccine.
Let’s make a rule, when you make a claim like this, you have to link to the studies. Same for any other claim for or against.Quote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
I'd go further than that, and call bullshit on people "who've had it" on the internet
Oh does it? Prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
It's like Moran Whack-a-mole in these threads.
:rolleyes2
Bullshit. You had it so odds are you did spread it. I haven't had it (that I know of) so odds are I haven't spread it. I can say that definitively without needing to cite any studies. You're missing the forest for the trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
We're at 43% of the worlds population having at least 1 dose now.
5.7 BILLION doses administered.
I mean at this point if you're not getting the vaccine you're either:
a) a pussy ("well, I already had covid so I don't need to get the vaccine")
b) retarded ("vaccine is not safe/effective/makes your dick fall off")
c) both a) and b)
No. There aren't. You've misinterpreted the data, or you're drawing from flawed studies that have since been retracted. This, everyone, is what happens when you 'do your own research'. Everyone point and laugh at the idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
Pointing and laughing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...415v1.full.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by eldereldo
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....11.21256578v1
https://rupress.org/jem/article/218/...ellular-immune
https://www.nature.com/articles/s414...icle_paid_XMOL
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...07.29.454333v1
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...03.22.436441v1
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-me...21)00203-2#%20
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....01.21258176v3
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...07.14.452381v1
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...05.12.443888v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....19.21262111v1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...9999-e2260.pdf
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...3/fulltext#%20
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....20.21255670v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....11.21256578v1
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3838993
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4
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Originally Posted by Huskydoc
Just watch CNN and obey the TV doctor, he's been flawless I hear.
The Israel study is particularly interesting, the largest study i've seen and shows the most variance between vaccinated immunity and natural immunity.
Shit the Pfizer vaccine is now at what 42% efficacy? that far below the 50% regulatory standard to have a vaccine on the market, especially when considering how long it lasts, its a joke.
Even in Pfizers own 6 month clinical trial study (should have been 2 years), it showed an all cause mortality of 15 in the vaccine group and 14 in the placebo. as in the vaccine showed that it prevents small numbers of (not naturally immune) people from dying of covid, but additional people in the vaccine group died of heart attacks. and 2 original placebo recipients who received the vaccine after the study had concluded also died. its a huge flaw to allow the placebo group in an already too short study to get the vaccine.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...159v1.full.pdf
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...rticle-metrics
I'd consider getting the first shot, say if another variant comes along thats actually deadly, but theres conflicting data on that. I talked to my functional med doctor, (who has a degree in immunology) about this a few times, and its his opinion to wait. especially with my very low risk, he's also waiting on more data to come out on the supposed lowering of natural T cell's the vaccine's may be causing before he'd recommend it to me. Some vaccines are great, I've voluntarily gotten some, while i avoid others like the flu shot which are pointless, arguably counter productive for a healthy person with natural immunity. I need to see more legit, especially longer term studies, and less politicization from both sides before I can make a decision on the covid shot
Q in a Ginch. 13k + useless posts. Life must be unfulfilling....
When i first had what i thought were symptoms, a very mild headache, but i never get headaches, i suspected it and went straight to 2 weeks of not spending any amount of time near others, i went outside all the time because the stay indoors stay safe bullshit is backwards bullshit that'll only make you catch it easier and increase your risk of it being serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
so at most id pass by someone outside, and would try to keep distance. which isnt anywhere near the amount of time to pass it to someone, its what 5 minutes within a few feet, and 14 minutes 6 ft or more? after that went and got an antibody test, came back positive.
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Originally Posted by scandy89
You should focus on yourself rather than someone who tells you youre fkd. Truth hurts i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by teamdirt
Berta- most cases least precautions, no contact tracing, leaving schools to set their own covid safety measures
- can't figure out that their bought and paid for premier is trying to sabotage the healthcare to privatize and line his pockets while he screws the overwhelming majority, just like he did with provincial parks
-hello mcfly anyone home?
-best summer evvvaaarr
- maybe your health authority will revise that too
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He- hey guys? Just so you all know: All of those links "medrxiv.org"? They're all "Rejected by peer reviewed journal". Which means they are absolute dogshit. Just in case anyone was wondering. Everyone, please continue to point and laugh at the idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
I mean yeah but I'm surrounded by reasonable level-headed people in my real life. This like a punching bag effigyQuote:
Originally Posted by TBS
Yeah lazily I clicked on three of them at random and two didn't even remotely support dudes claim. The third was medrvix lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
1 more useless opinionated postQuote:
Originally Posted by grinch
He’s gotta be trollingQuote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
Thanks for taking the time to out him as a fraud
Right? Can relateQuote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
These were just a quick google search, I don’t know if they were THE 15, there’s plenty more than these anyway. The medrxiv links are pending peer review, happy to be proven wrong. is the Phizer clinical trial rejected? Do these not pass the Rachel Maddow or Don Lemmon narrative review? That’s literally where the masses are getting their “follow the science” opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
Even if peer review certainly doesn’t mean a study is “Dogshit” anyways, look into the data and it’s sources and still tell me it’s dogshit.
Here’s some more if you want..
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.epdf
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...overy-covid-19
Convince me natural immunity isn’t as if not more sufficient. Please.
Typical though, don’t actually address the argument. Just spout childish insults, and throw mainstream media talking points with no backing. So desperate to adhere to what the media, fear porn, big pharma and your political messiah’s tell you with their impeccable reputation of dishonesty, It’s adorable.
Speaking of "typical though." Surprised you didn't throw "sheep" in there for good measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
I listen to our family physician, whose advice is consistent with his college of practice, and is a member in excellent standing. I have not contracted COVID-19, nor has any member of my family, and there is little benefit to rolling the dice to prove a stupid point.Quote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
This is a pandemic, the hospitals are full, regular emergencies and scheduled care is suffering, nurses like my wife are severely overworked in an already stretched provincial health system.
Get the vaccine. Wear a mask. Take a bit of extra caution to remain safe and healthy. Please.
Haaaaaa looking like my appraisal was spot fkn on! #freedumbfromtheelitesQuote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
Hahahahaaaaa
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I wouldn’t be talking to a family physician about this anyway, I’ve only sought advice from a few local docs who are more experts in functionalQuote:
Originally Posted by BCMtnHound
Medicine and immunology. I talked to a big hospital general practice doc a few months ago and he couldn’t give me shit for info on why I should get it other than the standard talking points, “safe and effective”
Anyway, I still don’t see the point, the more data that comes out the more it looks like my natural immunity is better than that of the vaccinated anyway. Which is consistent with other viruses.
you don’t see the point because you are looking at the wrong problem
the problem is throughput of our medical system
stop over analyzing
Just make sure you ask cnn if it’s ok to take your mask off in the car. #stayhomestaysafe #trustfauci #restrictmeharderdaddyQuote:
Originally Posted by grinch
What do you mean? Genuinely curious. That fat sick people who think pills = health are more an issue and spread disease? Ageeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by shroom
Youre a moron that will believe anything that supports your misguided want to do whatever the f you want, facts be damnedQuote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
I have about 5 stations on my tv and non of them are cnn or msnbc so im not really up to date on what goes on there but im sure its an f of a lot closer to reality than the fox news bs that you'd spout as truth if you thought it would allow you to do whatever the fuck you wanted to and make stoopid claims of being some type of intellectual "health nerd". So far all i see is the flashing moron light in full high beam. Its just more laughable when youre willfully ignorant to that obvious fact, so please carry on with the knee slappers bud
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Hey look everyone, it's the root of our collective problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by scandy89
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Convince me natural immunity isn’t as if not more sufficient. Please.
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*Shrug* ok!
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm
I haven’t watched Fox News in years, anyway, it’s not about doing what I want, bitch I was wearing masks last year before we had good days on masks when this first hit my county and everyone was looking at me like I was crazy. Though it’s a non issue, your freedom is more important than my safety anyway, if I want to be safe that’s my responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
Anyway, nice job making literally no point, just wait for the next fear porn talking point, jump on that 100% and forget about this.
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*Shrug* ok!Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm[/QUOTE]Hey spanky98 ,wheres your rebuttal to Hdoc? Come on kid enlighten us some more
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Originally Posted by Huskydoc
Hahaha isn’t this the one the CDC admitted was an “honest mistake”? And wrote 5 limitations of the study.
And you complain that a few of the shit ton of studies I showed weren’t peer reviewed? 😂
They even say “findings cannot be used to infer causation”..
And acknowledge that test seeking behaviour may skew the findings to exaggerate vaccine effectiveness, as vaccinated people are probably less likely to get tested.
The study also doesn’t include symptom data so we don’t know whether the reinfections were actual disease or just asymptomatic, mild infections of the kind that are just the immune system working. Hence the importance of measuring hospitalization and serious cases.
Especially that the benefits of natural immunity are most noticed long term and in new variants, which is exactly why it’s doing so much better against Delta. And Phizer has a shit effectiveness of 42%
What exactly is your point, Scandy? Is it only that natural immunity is better than the vaccine? Even if that's true do you think people who have never had Covid should get vaccinated? With closing in on six billion shots administered are you willing to admit that the vaccines are safe?
I've noticed that these people usually don't really have a point. They just like to argue and tell others they are wrong. And if you try to suggest otherwise they shout "BIG PHARMA," "CNN," "UNDERLYING CONDITIONS" until they're blue in the face.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
If his natural immunity is better than being vaccinated, then he could easily become super-immune by getting vaxxed as well. No-brainer if you ask me.
More on-topic, Canada could be in such good shape right now if it weren't for Alberta. Do they still want to separate?
Precisely. At worst it would have no benefit, but essentially zero risk. More than likely it would provide additional protection against infection and especially the longer it's been since that initial infection.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Goddamnit, Alberta. You're ruining everything!
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Smithers is a northern & provincial covid hotspot after a rodeo and the telkwa BBQ
I think its the antivax christian/ conservative & red neck christian/ rugged individualists/thro in some itinerent pipeline workers
Not really up to speed on the situ completely cuz I been out in the bush biking for a week but I started keeping low profile almost 2 weeks ago and will continue to do so, I think it might be deeply dividing the town
I heard 1 person died