Canada Closed until US Gets Covid 19 Under Control

I think a big problem is Faucci and his mixed messages and coverups.
His no mask, then need a mask.
His partially financing of the Wuhan lab in China, even though it was against regulations he financed a organization that then financed the Lab.
He was a big part of the lie that there was no possibility that Covid came from the Wuhan Lab.
If Biden fired Faucci, it would be a step toward a return to credibility for the CDC and perhaps a greater willingness for people in the US to get the vaccine... OK probably not, but Faucci still needs to go as he is more political scientist than scientist.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I think Trump could have singlehandedly saved the lives of 150k Americans if he thot about it for > 15 seconds and gave the right message

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you mean messages like this:
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...atown/2240247/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/ny-g...uarantine.html

Instead of saying Covid will disappear even tho Trump knew it was deadly

I'm thinking along the lines wear a mask/ distance/ get the vax

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Originally Posted by DanoT

I think a big problem is Faucci and his mixed messages and coverups.
His no mask, then need a mask.
His partially financing of the Wuhan lab in China, even though it was against regulations he financed a organization that then financed the Lab.
He was a big part of the lie that there was no possibility that Covid came from the Wuhan Lab.
If Biden fired Faucci, it would be a step toward a return to credibility for the CDC and perhaps a greater willingness for people in the US to get the vaccine... OK probably not, but Faucci still needs to go as he is more political scientist than scientist.

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We had the same mixed messaging here in Canada as things unfolded.

Juries out (waay out) on the Wuhan lab so I won't touch that one.

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Originally Posted by waxman

you mean messages like this:
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...atown/2240247/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/ny-g...uarantine.html

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Can't believe people are still referencing these stories. These were literally in the first months of the pandemic where things were advancing and changing on a daily basis.

The reason for the no mask initially was needed for medical and first responders and not enough if there was a rush. He was doing the right thing, but seems to be a point for attacking him

hundreds of million of americans died that didnt need to cuz Trump didnt give a fuck about America or Americans

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

hundreds of million of americans died that didnt need to cuz Trump didnt give a fuck about America or Americans

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Hundreds of millions? Wow, this thing's bigger than I realized...

too much coffee, i'm going with an extra 150 K

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Originally Posted by cat in january

The reason for the no mask initially was needed for medical and first responders and not enough if there was a rush. He was doing the right thing, but seems to be a point for attacking him

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The risk of mask hording by the public doesn't hold up and here is why: Prior to the pandemic, unlike toilet paper, masks were not in wide use by the public and were pretty much sold only in hardware or drug stores. It would have been very easy for the CDC to direct mask manufacturers to stop all sales to retail stores and supply only hospitals. Of course there then would have been criticism for telling folks to wear masks when there were few for sale, but at least there would have been a consistent message and more mask wearing acceptance when eventually there were enough masks. In other words there was a better course of action than misleading the public; too bad Faucci and the CDC didn't take it.

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Originally Posted by DanoT

The risk of mask hording by the public doesn't hold up and here is why: Prior to the pandemic, unlike toilet paper, masks were not in wide use by the public and were pretty much sold only in hardware or drug stores. It would have been very easy for the CDC to direct mask manufacturers to stop all sales to retail stores and supply only hospitals. Of course there then would have been criticism for telling folks to wear masks when there were few for sale, but at least there would have been a consistent message and more mask wearing acceptance when eventually there were enough masks. In other words there was a better course of action than misleading the public; too bad Faucci and the CDC didn't take it.

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Your hindsight is brilliant. All we needed was for the CDC to wield power that it doesn't actually have over companies that aren't located on US soil! Problem solved!

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Originally Posted by DanoT

The risk of mask hording by the public doesn't hold up and here is why: Prior to the pandemic, unlike toilet paper, masks were not in wide use by the public and were pretty much sold only in hardware or drug stores. It would have been very easy for the CDC to direct mask manufacturers to stop all sales to retail stores and supply only hospitals. Of course there then would have been criticism for telling folks to wear masks when there were few for sale, but at least there would have been a consistent message and more mask wearing acceptance when eventually there were enough masks. In other words there was a better course of action than misleading the public; too bad Faucci and the CDC didn't take it.

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Or, more likely, they didn't know shit about the virus when it first appeared and it took a while for scientists globally to come to an evidence-based consensus.

"We have learned x and therefore must change our previous stance on y" isn't all that terrible. People like you who think things have to be 100% bang-on-correct from the get-go are the problem, not those who change their mind when new facts come to light.

"YOU WERE WRONG AT FIRST SO I WILL NEVER BELIEVE YOU" is a terrible way to live.

I agree. Everyone has learned a lot in the last 18 months and that includes the experts.

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Originally Posted by cat in january

The reason for the no mask initially was needed for medical and first responders and not enough if there was a rush. He was doing the right thing, but seems to be a point for attacking him

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Do you get mad when people piss on you, then tell you it's raining?

What the hell was that about. You will need to give a bit more context

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

yes definatley ^^ we have anti vaxxers, conservatives and of course the god-heads

but no Republican party which cuts out 10's of millions of anti vax/ vax hesitancey

there are probably more anti-vax in America than the entire pop of Canada

I think Trump could have singlehandedly saved the lives of 150k Americans if he thot about it for > 15 seconds and gave the right message

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Originally Posted by DanoT

I think a big problem is Faucci and his mixed messages and coverups.
His no mask, then need a mask.
His partially financing of the Wuhan lab in China, even though it was against regulations he financed a organization that then financed the Lab.
He was a big part of the lie that there was no possibility that Covid came from the Wuhan Lab.
If Biden fired Faucci, it would be a step toward a return to credibility for the CDC and perhaps a greater willingness for people in the US to get the vaccine... OK probably not, but Faucci still needs to go as he is more political scientist than scientist.

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Originally Posted by waxman

you mean messages like this:
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...atown/2240247/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/ny-g...uarantine.html

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I found a couple/smh

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For everyone who is confused, which is lots of you, Fauci runs the National Institute of Infectious Disease, the cdc is totally separate and made their own dumb choices.

Hammering Fauci for the mask flip flop even after they explained their reasoning and apologized will go on forever, just like the confusion about his role.

Here is background on why masks were not an initial main priority.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teen...ed-covid-kill/

tldr
Science on 5 micron boundary for aerosol vs droplet has been wrong since the 40's and the WHO and many others were using this as the distinction for mask / no mask.

It took till spring of 2021 to sort it out and prove that particles larger than 5 micron can be airborne aerosol. WHO changed their directive re masks.

You guys can try and explain it to them....again. the fact of the matter is theyve gone all in on the redneck way and are repeating what theyve been told, right or wrong, and won't be swayed. Lift kits>life or death

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Originally Posted by grinch

You guys can try and explain it to them....again. the fact of the matter is theyve gone all in on the redneck way and are repeating what theyve been told, right or wrong, and won't be swayed. Lift kits>life or death

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I don't think that's necessarily true. Article in the NYT yesterday about vaccine "converts" coming around because they are seeing friends and family doing fine. And Canada opening the border and only allowing vaxxed Americans is a great thing because it really drives home the point to them how stupid they are being, and do they want to spend the rest of their lives in the U.S.? Probably not. Other countries will surely follow Canada's lead on that. Fox News is going to be pushing harder for vaxxing now that they are seeing cases going up--it's all fun and games to play Devil's advocate when cases are going down, but now they're in the position of looking like they are to blame, and that's going to affect advertisers, etc. Plus how does more dead Republicans serve their interest? So I'd predict that in the end, one or two years from now, the U.S. will have between 75 and 80 percent vaxxed. I would be surprised if we ever get much above 80 though.

but what about Hillary's emails

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Originally Posted by shirk

Here is background on why masks were not an initial main priority.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teen...ed-covid-kill/

tldr
Science on 5 micron boundary for aerosol vs droplet has been wrong since the 40's and the WHO and many others were using this as the distinction for mask / no mask.

It took till spring of 2021 to sort it out and prove that particles larger than 5 micron can be airborne aerosol. WHO changed their directive re masks.

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Thanks for posting that, it's a great article.

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Originally Posted by yeahman

I don't think that's necessarily true. Article in the NYT yesterday about vaccine "converts" coming around because they are seeing friends and family doing fine. And Canada opening the border and only allowing vaxxed Americans is a great thing because it really drives home the point to them how stupid they are being, and do they want to spend the rest of their lives in the U.S.? Probably not. Other countries will surely follow Canada's lead on that. Fox News is going to be pushing harder for vaxxing now that they are seeing cases going up--it's all fun and games to play Devil's advocate when cases are going down, but now they're in the position of looking like they are to blame, and that's going to affect advertisers, etc. Plus how does more dead Republicans serve their interest? So I'd predict that in the end, one or two years from now, the U.S. will have between 75 and 80 percent vaxxed. I would be surprised if we ever get much above 80 though.

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I was talking about our resident neo cons but cool story bro. Murica 1,2,3 its all about me
Btw, fox and the replublicans dont care about the dead hillbillies they just want bad press to blame on Joe. Theyll both continue what theyre doing for a bit yet

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Originally Posted by yeahman

I don't think that's necessarily true. Article in the NYT yesterday about vaccine "converts" coming around because they are seeing friends and family doing fine. And Canada opening the border and only allowing vaxxed Americans is a great thing because it really drives home the point to them how stupid they are being, and do they want to spend the rest of their lives in the U.S.? Probably not.

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That might sway some small percentage, but I think you're overestimating how many Americans travel outside the U.S. Check this out:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane...h=5d68d7d42898

11% have never left the state they were born in! 40% have never left the country.

Hey, any of you canuckians hear about the potential border agent strike?
Sounds like if they ever had leverage, it would be right now. Especially since a large percentage of the population are either pro-closure, or absolutely ‘meh’ about it overall.

Havent heard yet. I did hear its 52% dont want it open. Situation is still kind of fluid. We're not there yet. Also heard some athletes with 2 shots at the olympics tested positive for the variant and are in quarintine. More super spreaders with yhe variant. We'll want a high % with both their vaxxes to limit the super spreader effect

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Originally Posted by The AD

40% have never left the country.

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I'm actually surprised the # is that low. Hope they didn't misread 'county' for 'country' on the survey.

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Originally Posted by rideit

Hey, any of you canuckians hear about the potential border agent strike?
Sounds like if they ever had leverage, it would be right now. Especially since a large percentage of the population are either pro-closure, or absolutely ‘meh’ about it overall.

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Here’s a CBC article on the possible strike. There’s often lots of conflict and strikes threatened by border service agents.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbs...rder-1.6108358

The border guards will be legislated back to work the next day.

still lots of negotiating and posturing needs to happen

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

The border guards will be legislated back to work the next day.

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Hopefully they will be soory to cause a bother.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

still lots of negotiating and posturing needs to happen

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Pretty much. I suspect they'll have some kind of "information" picket, but it'll be on their days off.

Kinda surprised they've been without a (new) contract since 2018.

WTF? Now the U.S. has extended the closure till August 21st. We were the ones pushing for the opening, and now we're delaying it? For fuck's sake...

Got a link?

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/u...3b28a7ca3.html

Is this ^^upstate enough to be upstate newyork?

It's the upstatest of upstate.

It's front page of the Bellingham Herald today too.

Good article from Danny Westnet in the Seattle Times:

Canada’s new COVID border rules have put us in our place

“Why would some people rather risk death than get vaccinated? It’s the American way,” the Toronto Star heckled us on Tuesday.

It’s a “tragedy of belligerent self-destruction,” it went on. “The U.S. is among the few countries in the world with the means to quickly extinguish the pandemic within its borders. It lacks only the will.”

On our side of the border, in Bellingham, it was reported on Tuesday that the sheriff had to be notified because the Whatcom County health director started getting threats after a council member posted her cellphone number on social media and said she needed to be “reined in.” Her crime? Running a campaign to encourage vaccination among 18- to 26-year-olds.

The Canadians are not messing around, either: “A person who submits false information on vaccination status could be liable to a fine of up to $750,000 or six months imprisonment or both, under the Quarantine Act,” the country’s public health agency announced.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...-in-our-place/

Joe's going to get lots of canadian votes. Must be that yuge voter fraud that happened

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Originally Posted by grinch

Joe's going to get lots of canadian votes. Must be that yuge voter fraud that happened

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We just wanted the steel and aluminum tariffs to end. Sorry.