Canada Closed until US Gets Covid 19 Under Control

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Originally Posted by Mofro261

Delta is on the rise everywhere Canada included, per a 1 click google it accounts for 31% of cases in BC and 42% in Ontario, vs. 26% in the US. Delta (and Gamma) gunning down Alpha.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...nada-1.5490578

On this side of the border my state is now 68% vaxxed 12+, my hood >85%. Why would we want to go to CA where the vax rates are sooo much lower?

SUCK IT CANADA!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by The AD

It does, but only to the point where the virus is present in equal amounts in the origin and the destination and that's where Canada and the U.S. are right now.

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Exactly. A country like NZ with very few cases could stay that way by keeping out travelers. Restricting travel made sense at the very beginning of the pandemic--at least for places where the virus wasn't already spreading under the radar, and it has to be accompanied by strict contact tracing and isolation. If you close your borders it has to be a hard closure--Canada's restrictions--and not just for the US--are too full of holes to do any good. Trying to keep out a virus that's already in doesn't make much sense.

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Originally Posted by old goat

Exactly. A country like NZ with very few cases could stay that way by keeping out travelers. Restricting travel made sense at the very beginning of the pandemic--at least for places where the virus wasn't already spreading under the radar, and it has to be accompanied by strict contact tracing and isolation. If you close your borders it has to be a hard closure--Canada's restrictions--and not just for the US--are too full of holes to do any good. Trying to keep out a virus that's already in doesn't make much sense.

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Now even the old Doctor is shitting on Canadian policy, and indirectly, Prince Trudeau.

Just close forever Canada. We will only miss your beautiful french speaking women, eh.

I agree with OG that its almost impossible to keep it out but you gotta try and get more vaxed before openning the border

Savy Americans used to show the Canadian flag when they traveled cuz it was just easier !

It’s not like the virus is or was dispersed equally in canada. The maratimes were largely unaffected because of the strict borders. Yukon was doing well. The powers that be and maybe some of the provincial leaders probably thought it would be easier to enforce in country borders if you also weren’t willing to import the virus wholesale from abroad. It’s a big place, some would even say it’s bigger than the states ;)

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Originally Posted by Asspen

Now even the old Doctor is shitting on Canadian policy, and indirectly, Prince Trudeau.

Just close forever Canada. We will only miss your beautiful french speaking women, eh.

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I'm not trying to shit on anyone. The Canadian border situation is just one example of covid policies that don't seem to have any rational basis. The US had and continues to have policies like that. People on both sides of the border want to make this an issue of "we don't like Americans" or "who do those Canadians think they are". I have no interest in any of that.

The issue is community spread. What do people do when the virus is in their community? Like all the people partying last year in Truckee while complaining about tourists bringing the virus. It's always easier to blame someone else for your own failings.

For the record, I'm rooting for Montreal. (And wtf is going on with Price--he was unbeatable against VGK and now all of a sudden he cant stop anything.)

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Originally Posted by paulster2626

Do you have any sources for this? It's my understanding that this is not exactly what happened, but whatever. I really can't see this going any better than it did given that Canada is solely reliant on importing vaccines from other countries. There are other less wealthy countries who went with a single-source route and it's failing them in spectacular fashion. Canada's strategy of buying a shitton of vaccines from anyone willing to sell them is what's saving us.

My question is this: The "drama teacher" thing gets brought up as such a zinger of an insult so often - why do the Trudeau-haters think him having other jobs before starting his political career is a bad thing? What is bad about being a teacher? Is it the subject, drama, that is so concerning? Is this why him teaching Math and French is never mentioned? Do you not think teaching is a respectable job? Considering the childish behaviour that politicians need to deal with (and dole out), it seems pretty fitting to me to have that in one's repertoire.

And which party has a candidate who would do a better job? Is it the PC's? I really know nothing about Erin O'Toole - did he at least have a few other jobs before politics? Preferably not ones where he had to be an egotistical CEO of a mediocre company?

EDIT: Just looked it up myself. So he was a military guy after university and flew in a Sea King helicopter at one point (the massive BALLS on this man, he's lucky to be alive!), then became a lawyer. Fuck that, I'll take the teacher-guy who also taught kids how to snowboard who seems to enjoy being involved in milquetoast scandals every 6 months.

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Why would anyone choose a trust fund raised person that has never had to work a day in his life over someone who put their life on the line for the country to run the country?



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Originally Posted by grinch

Haaaa sorry pano, you wack bud. Good choice in bikes but it ends there.
Its pretty obvious the numbers stack up for covid and measures taken. So obvious in fact that it would parallel the yearly stats that prove global warming is in fact happening but we still have deniers there too. Not much i can say other than i hope you gain some proper insight in to it as well as why you believe crazy shit

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Problem is the numbers were rigged from the start of this bullshit and it's coming out now.
Very few people actually died from just covid and if the health care system would of had a proper protocol many of these deaths would not have happened.
Again more people died from overdose in BC than covid in the last 18 months....


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Erin the tool and the cons are too far right to form a government in Canada so its gona be Trudeau again

its tragic for sure but you can chose to not take Fentynal while you can't chose to not catch covid unless you isolate

not that Trudeau having a trust fund and being worht 13mil has anything to do with the border being closed

Happy Canada Day, Hosers!

Anything actually happening?

i think they lost Lytton completley

In the last 14 days the US has had about twice the number of new cases per capita as Canada.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...international/

Though I assume the US cases are mostly driven by red southern states.

I'm not sure that's a big enough discrepancy to keep the border closed but let's not pretend we have similar case rates.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

i think they lost Lytton completley

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Very sad. The place sets the record for all-time high temperature recorded in Canada and then is immediately wiped off the map. Jesus...

wonder how much of it burnt ? Lytton is the takeout for paddling the north Thompson which always seemed given to extremes, I paddled it in a labor day Snowstorm ... cold

More tourists no matter where theyre from is more possible transmission vectors. All my zones have had rhe sidewalls rolled up and put in storage.Because of the variant it makes sense to have a higher percentage with the second shot i would think

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exaclty ^^ , we got 2 big construction projects on the go , several mines with people flying in/out and we are right on 1 of the 2 highways narth to AK

so even tho its the middle of nowhere and there isnt many people it is people on the move which is how Covid got around cuz it can't move by itself

I'm completley vaxed but i'm not doing any expediting or shuttle driving till next year, no real vacations ... lying low

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

Happy Canada Day, Hosers!

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Thanks eh! So in our little hamlet Canada Day celebrations got cancelled last minute. Found out last night via email from my band mate that our gig was cancelled (we were supposed to play a few sets between noon and 4 at our Heritage Park). A bit bummed, as I'd missed playing with the lads for a few years when I moved away. Then I get back to town and 6 months later covid... Oh well.

My feelings on the subject of "cancelling" Canada Day this year - I'm OK with it. It should be a time of reflection given the latest evidence on Residential Schools/Catholic church atrocities. Sure we're a great country but we have a past that we need to reconcile with. To those that stand on some neo conservative soap box and yell "stop the cancel culture!" I offer a heartfelt fuck you. We did some bad shit in our past and we need to learn about it and learn from it. Too bad I'll miss the big after-party and all the hot chicks, mazola, plastic sheets and cocaine though...

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

exaclty ^^ , we got 2 big construction projects on the go , several mines with people flying in/out and we are right on 1 of the 2 highways narth to AK

so even tho its the middle of nowhere and there isnt many people it is people on the move which is how Covid got around cuz it can't move by itself

I'm completley vaxed but i'm not doing any expediting or shuttle driving till next year, no real vacations ... lying low

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Even with the miracle vaccine you're scared to join society..... Yup government propoganda has worked.





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Originally Posted by XXX-er

Erin the tool and the cons are too far right to form a government in Canada so its gona be Trudeau again

its tragic for sure but you can chose to not take Fentynal while you can't chose to not catch covid unless you isolate

not that Trudeau having a trust fund and being worht 13mil has anything to do with the border being closed

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You don't think government shut downs had anything to do with people overdosing??? How about the free money and nothing to do but sit around and stress out about the lies that everyone is going to die on the media?
Blaming people for substance abuse during this bullshit is weak.

What does JT know about struggling to pay bills and feed a family? He has no clue about the common Canadians problems or how to fix them since he has never had them. His answer for business that rely on Merican tourists is to give them loans instead of revenue. Great more debt for an industry that struggles already.
Local businesses can't hire staff since the crb pays more than what a typical frontline tourism job pays. Great idea JT, crb for votes....
Just like weed for votes.




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Originally Posted by pano-dude

Why would anyone choose a trust fund raised person that has never had to work a day in his life over someone who put their life on the line for the country to run the country?



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FDR and Churchill both did decent jobs--although the Brits were smart enough to vote the racist bastard out as soon as the war was over.
What about being a soldier qualifies someone to run a country? One might argue that being part of an organization where orders are followed promptly and without question is the worst possible preparation for running a democracy. Ever notice how many of the world's dictators are military or ex military?
(To be fair Churchill served in the military as well as being born rich.)

has there been a real increase on overdoses during the pandemic? we heard about suicide and then that didn’t happen. baby bumps? nope. i’m going to have to ask for a citation.

i did hear of one 25 year old (friends sister) in the hospital with delta after one AZ awhile ago in London.

And another sick 30yo with a variant in toronto - double vaxxed but didn’t know which.

it’s hard to say we are completely out of the woods, but i don’t know what impact this will have on the border if they stick to the criteria they mentioned.

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Originally Posted by garyfromterrace

Thanks eh! So in our little hamlet Canada Day celebrations got cancelled last minute. Found out last night via email from my band mate that our gig was cancelled (we were supposed to play a few sets between noon and 4 at our Heritage Park). A bit bummed, as I'd missed playing with the lads for a few years when I moved away. Then I get back to town and 6 months later covid... Oh well.

My feelings on the subject of "cancelling" Canada Day this year - I'm OK with it. It should be a time of reflection given the latest evidence on Residential Schools/Catholic church atrocities. Sure we're a great country but we have a past that we need to reconcile with. To those that stand on some neo conservative soap box and yell "stop the cancel culture!" I offer a heartfelt fuck you. We did some bad shit in our past and we need to learn about it and learn from it. Too bad I'll miss the big after-party and all the hot chicks, mazola, plastic sheets and cocaine though...

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Government already paid out 1.5billion dollars to indigenous people for residential schools a few years ago.
This isn't new news but the media sure has jumped on it now. Since they are losing steam on covid scare tactics.
Yes it's tragic, but cancelling Canada Day celebrations is bullshit. Be proud of our country and the people who fought for our way of life.
The government and church need to be held accountable starting with JT apologizing for his father's part in the residential schools.


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Originally Posted by old goat

FDR and Churchill both did decent jobs--although the Brits were smart enough to vote the racist bastard out as soon as the war was over.
What about being a soldier qualifies someone to run a country? One might argue that being part of an organization where orders are followed promptly and without question is the worst possible preparation for running a democracy. Ever notice how many of the world's dictators are military or ex military?
(To be fair Churchill served in the military as well as being born rich.)

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At least soldiers had to come up through the ranks so they can appreciate both giving orders and taking orders. I doubt Trump ever needed to take many orders.

Looks like the right wing youtubes are still effective

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Originally Posted by ml242

has there been a real increase on overdoses during the pandemic? we heard about suicide and then that didn’t happen. baby bumps? nope. i’m going to have to ask for a citation.

i did hear of one 25 year old (friends sister) in the hospital with delta after one AZ awhile ago in London.

And another sick 30yo with a variant in toronto - double vaxxed but didn’t know which.

it’s hard to say we are completely out of the woods, but i don’t know what impact this will have on the border if they stick to the criteria they mentioned.

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Originally Posted by The Tortoise

In the last 14 days the US has had about twice the number of new cases per capita as Canada.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...international/

Though I assume the US cases are mostly driven by red southern states.

I'm not sure that's a big enough discrepancy to keep the border closed but let's not pretend we have similar case rates.

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The real question is what is the case rate among the US fully vaccinated? Answer: SUPER LOW

If Canada only lets in the fully vaccinated, with a negative test to boot, then the average tourist will be far less hazardous to the Canadian community spread than the average Canadian is!

Happy (or Somber?) Canada Day!

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Originally Posted by old goat

FDR and Churchill both did decent jobs--although the Brits were smart enough to vote the racist bastard out as soon as the war was over.
What about being a soldier qualifies someone to run a country? One might argue that being part of an organization where orders are followed promptly and without question is the worst possible preparation for running a democracy. Ever notice how many of the world's dictators are military or ex military?
(To be fair Churchill served in the military as well as being born rich.)

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It shows a person is willing to give up his life for his country and the people who live there.
Not like a trust fund baby who has never had to fight or work for anything.

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Originally Posted by pano-dude

Even with the miracle vaccine you're scared to join society..... Yup government propoganda has worked.





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I'm careful and I havent got Covid, are you willing to get covid and show us that its just the flu?

people have been OD'ing on Fentynal before covid was a thing

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I'm careful and I havent got Covid, are you willing to get covid and show us that its just the flu?

people have been OD'ing on Fentynal before covid was a thing

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I haven't stopped living my life, don't want it but not fucking hiding in my basement because of it. I don't need to prove anything to anyone and it would not make a difference, you have been brainwashed and I'm sure nothing is going to change your mind.

Yes there have been od in the past but all of a sudden deaths increase by over 40% during a government shut down. Again the lockdowns have created more problems than they have solved. More debt, more bankruptcy, more od's, kids losing almost 2 years of education and life in general.



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Originally Posted by pano-dude

Yes it's tragic, but cancelling Canada Day celebrations is bullshit. Be proud of our country and the people who fought for our way of life.

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That's Remembrance Day. Canada Day is the anniversary of the day when the first three colonies joined to form the Dominion of Canada, aka the date of Confederation.

Frankly, it is appropriate that the injustices the indigenous people of North America were forced to endure at the hands of Christian European Colonists is at least discussed and acknowledged on this day (and others), but I agree that canceling it - especially after these last fifteen months - isn't the best approach.

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

That's Remembrance Day. Canada Day is the anniversary of the day when the first three colonies joined to form the Dominion of Canada, aka the date of Confederation.

Frankly, it is appropriate that the injustices the indigenous people of North America were forced to endure at the hands of Christian European Colonists is at least discussed and acknowledged on this day (and others), but I agree that canceling it - especially after these last fifteen months - isn't the best approach.

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For sure, specific days for specific events but July 1 for me is to show my pride and thanks by celebrating.

Remembrance Day I honor the people who died so I can live my life the way I do, No celebrating.






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Originally Posted by pano-dude

I haven't stopped living my life, don't want it but not fucking hiding in my basement because of it. I don't need to prove anything to anyone and it would not make a difference, you have been brainwashed and I'm sure nothing is going to change your mind.

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what a pussy, you should face it like a man to quote Bolsanaro

Think of all the antibodies you git

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Originally Posted by The AD

At least soldiers had to come up through the ranks so they can appreciate both giving orders and taking orders. I doubt Trump ever needed to take many orders.

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Trump was sent off to military school and apparently loved it, although as far as we know his life was never in danger.

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Originally Posted by Summit

The real question is what is the case rate among the US fully vaccinated? Answer: SUPER LOW

If Canada only lets in the fully vaccinated, with a negative test to boot, then the average tourist will be far less hazardous to the Canadian community spread than the average Canadian is!

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Maybe safer from Covid, but don't forget about gunz.

Re suicide. The number went down in 2020. https://www.axios.com/suicide-decrea...864a24449.html

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Originally Posted by old goat

Trump was sent off to military school and apparently loved it, although as far as we know his life was never in danger.



Maybe safer from Covid, but don't forget about gunz.

Re suicide. The number went down in 2020. https://www.axios.com/suicide-decrea...864a24449.html

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That report came from the CDC; that's Faucci outfit so their could be a credibility concern.

If JT doesn’t want to re-open, maybe we can get Jay and Joe to just move the border north? Next Seattle Mayor can run on 54-40 or Fight!
Time to bring the brake bumps back to the bike park.

"Quebec reported 69 new cases of COVID-19 on Friday "

nice

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Originally Posted by ml242

has there been a real increase on overdoses during the pandemic? we heard about suicide and then that didn’t happen. baby bumps? nope. i’m going to have to ask for a citation.

i did hear of one 25 year old (friends sister) in the hospital with delta after one AZ awhile ago in London.

And another sick 30yo with a variant in toronto - double vaxxed but didn’t know which.

it’s hard to say we are completely out of the woods, but i don’t know what impact this will have on the border if they stick to the criteria they mentioned.

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https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blo...s-move-forward

Short answer, yes. Serious uptick in overdose deaths here in the US since the onset of pandemic lockdowns.

Twenty years from now the economic fallout, and preventable deaths due to lockdowns will dominate the conversation around 2020 and COVID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

OK mouth breathing anti-vax/ covid denying Canucks, we don't have to wonder what would have happened in Canada if nothing was done cuz we got America/ Brazil & India as good examples of a bad example

Brazil is taking it like a man to beat America in the per-capita death toll and i predict they will pull ahead of America in the over all catagorey before too long

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Originally Posted by DanoT

That report came from the CDC; that's Faucci outfit so their could be a credibility concern.

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Fauci is at the NIH, head of the infectious disease institute, not even in charge of the whole thing. (That's Francis Collins.) He is not with the CDC . Now whose credibility could be of concern?

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Originally Posted by pano-dude

I haven't stopped living my life, don't want it but not fucking hiding in my basement because of it. I don't need to prove anything to anyone and it would not make a difference, you have been brainwashed and I'm sure nothing is going to change your mind.

Yes there have been od in the past but all of a sudden deaths increase by over 40% during a government shut down. Again the lockdowns have created more problems than they have solved. More debt, more bankruptcy, more od's, kids losing almost 2 years of education and life in general.



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You're a misguided fool. Think about this Einstein - 95% of the people on this board disagree with you. Peer reviewed science disagrees with you. So you figure you and your 5% brethern are the informed, not fooled by the media, wise men? No you're not. You and your ilk are the brain-washed dipshits here, not us. Grab a brain and quit thinking Rebel Media is a fucking news source. Jesus christ, you embarrass me (as a Canadian).