This part is so dead on. A three or multi-party system forces consensus to be found on at least some issues, whereas the current state of the American two-party system is basically a cold war.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
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This part is so dead on. A three or multi-party system forces consensus to be found on at least some issues, whereas the current state of the American two-party system is basically a cold war.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
You're right, and it sucks. Somebody needs to start a party of moderates. There's got to be 40% in the middle who are sick of this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Wouldn't proportional representation also be an option?
booked 2nd vaccine for exactly 8 weeks after 1st dose, stoked to be fully vax'd by summer!
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by t.odd
I need to look and see when we can book our 2nd. We are just over a month in after first dose.
Just did the same. Pfizer #2 on Monday afternoon. A benefit of a small community vax program.Quote:
Originally Posted by t.odd
Free vaccines for anyone - just have to travel to Alaska
The US is a poster child for a system that doesn't support a 3rd party. Israel is a poster child for the disfunction that a PR system can bring. I think Canada is pretty good with 3rd parties in that the 3rd can take over when one of the 2 implodes. Thinking PC federally , SC in BC and whatever that slightly right of centre in Que now.Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
we have a moderate conservative party for the 40%, they’re called the democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
it would just be more obvious if we had a viable green party.
canada looks pretty good right now. i’m still a little scared that in its desire to be more like the usa it will encourage more fringe cult of personality types to come out of the woodwork and polarize the shit out of anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
cbc is so pleasant even when rivals are talking heatedly. worlds better than the landscape south of the border.
the election is decided in Ontario/ Quebec and those people are liberals not whacko nut job conservatives
Peter Mackay was apparently a fan of the Samuel Taylor Colleridge poem " Rime of the Ancient Mariner " as evidenced when he said the cons need to rid themselves of the Stinking Albatross of social conservatism ... i love that ^^ line !
Mackay was right, Erin Otool leader of the cons knows he is right and thats the problem ... too far right eh
social conservatism did not/ does not work in Canada so as long as the cons keep kicking that dead horse we will have a liberal gov
A country's politics is a reflection of its people. Every democratic system has its pros and cons but no system will work without the acceptance of basic principles and norms and a general commitment on those in political life and the populace as a whole to the welfare of the country. The United States lacks that. (And GB seems to have muddled along reasonably well without a formal written constitution, because the unwritten principles of British government are accepted.)
The good old days of reasoned debate between members of the left, right and centre. Spent a number of years as an IT road tech in Toronto and rarely missed these shows with Peter Gzowski moderating. Not that they needed moderating as their positions had more in common with reality and the common bonds of society than the current mess that politics has found itself in catering to the fringe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1779306829
Social conservatism is the Achilles heel of that party as XXXer has alluded to.
You are talking about a "first past the post" system which encourages multiple party representation. The system has its own quirks, but works in many democracies.Quote:
Originally Posted by puregravity
Here in the USA its a winner take all approach that squashes any challenger outside the two party system that can't commit millions to a campaign. Corporations like this system as there is less people "needing influence" ($$$$$$$$).
FPTP and Proportional Rep. are two completely different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asspen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ljLsg9UFk
FPTP does not encourage multiple party representation. It sucks and is how we have an uneducated drug dealer running our province.
Yup, if more of the dumb asses died it would be a win win situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Well no, not really. In BC there have been 2 referendums on PR and both failed. Its not the magic bullet /wand that some people think. Most countries have some sort of PR. But a disproportionate number of the top democracies are FPTP. Its the culture of the country more than whether FPTP or some sort of PR that makes a difference. Some countries like Italy and Israel are notable as they are more dysfunctional due to PR. If you follow the news PR countries are way more likely to take a 12 months of more in some cases to figure out who / what coalition is forming the gov't.
I like PR when the party I don't like wins but when the one I prefer is in power I'd like to keep FPTP. Is that possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
I also did the tech gig on the road where i also listened to Gzowski and other radio hosts I can't remember all the names of , his guests were so facsinating that sometimes you just sat there listening instead of going in to the next job cuz you didnt want to miss itQuote:
Originally Posted by petey_
that link is 31 years old btw
the big problem for the Conservative party is that it is no longer the " Progresive Conservative party " your father may have voted for which ended in 2003, it is now the Conservative party of Canada which is a mix of the progresive consevatives and the Alliance party which is where the whacko nut jobs come from, they will never form a government with whacko nut jobs
single transferrable vote/instant runoff/ranked ballot....chose first/second/third choice, second choice votes from lowest ranked parties transferred until one party reaches 50% of the vote. I think in a place like Canada, that could be a reasonable alternative to fptp, it's basically a modified fptp.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Agreed on the Cdn party dilemma. There is no place for a liberal-conservative.
Seemed like just yesterday:biggrin: Started that gig in '81. So sue me already.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Yup, mom and pop were staunch progressive conservatives back in the day. Only one of their four sons followed in those footsteps. Wasn't me.
I was on the Big Blue teat from 75 -2005 myself, that was the heyday of CBC when Gzowski would be interviewing Margret Thatcher one day and Jean Chretien the next, it was all well researched always super interesting stuff
progressive conservative always seemed like an oxymoron, but they would just be the boring guys at a party still a viable alternative to voting liberal,
the whacko nut jobs who tried to make Canada less canadian and more American are pissing in the wind cuz canadians are canadian ... guys like Derek Sloan
which is why Trudeau will get in again cuz he was anyone but harper, then he was anyone but sheer, now he is anyone but Erin the - Tool
Wang until '93. The good doctor got some nice start up cash when he sued big blue for theft of ideas. His son didn't have the same smarts and led us into chapter 11. I came out of the shemozzle with some cash and a nice 6 months of vacay to look after the kids and recharge.
Another story about the possibility of the border opening in June. I thought this was interesting:
https://www.king5.com/article/news/h...6-b1a1d3b56c64Quote:
Trautman says Canadians could use vaccination records as a form of entry.
"Canada is exploring that. I think they're getting pretty close to likely implementing a situation where I, as an American traveler, can upload my vaccine status through their ArriveCAN platform, which is an app that's currently used for all entries into Canada."
webadvisor does not like that link! haQuote:
Originally Posted by The AD
I JUST made it to the DB pension by 3 months and I havent worked in 16 yrs, if i can keep breathing til 90 I will be a millionaire ... one month at a timeQuote:
Originally Posted by petey_
I always say working for IBM was like the Rodeo, when the gate opens you ride to bell and there is a whole lot of bull inbetween,
got the #2 pfizer today, totla non event, not gona whine like them other pussy's
The 2nd shot made my wife pretty sick for a day or two. Me, nothin? So hopefully you're doing well tomorrow. O and keep that border closed until the end of Sept would ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
But Harper was in power, albeit two terms minority, for 3 terms. He certainly kept the social cons under check. The Liberals were in the wilderness for a lot of that. I think your over estimating how liberal Ont and Que are. They are not extreme and would agree that the present Con party social cons are not that electable and that the Cons are shooting themselves in foot. But not to far left might be a sweet spot. Remember the Ont Lib sex ed roll out. The Libs had expected backward white cons and got enraged POC. Who is in power in Ont? Who is in power in Que? the party that had to use the not withstanding clause.
the CAQ, they're social conservative caq-suckers. pro-industry / anti environment.
this is their signature achievement so far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_su..._l%27%C3%89tat
this is what they are hoping it will be: https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-new...tation-report/
"no institutional racism in Quebec" https://montrealgazette.com/news/pre...ism-protesters
but the perception is that they did a good job during covid and will thus be spared from being replaced in the next election.
Harper did keep control of his caucus, his downfall IMO is that he wanted to change canada into america, I think if he stayed more to the middle he could still be King but he fucked up
I think that is the emotional view of Harper. His time had come. 3 terms and things pile up. Uncle Jean made it 3 terms and I think was much more successful than harper, but still his party imploded after he left. The longer the term the bigger the fall at the end. Look at NB. Hatfield was in power when I was in elementary, Junior high, HS , University , 4 years on west coast and then lost when I was back in NB November 11, 1970 – October 27, 1987. In his final election he lost every seat. 0, every seat was won by Libs.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Now if Justin wins again the election after there will be a lot of baggage. Esp if it comes out in this election he has actually separated from wife. The female vote is important to him. Rumors are that he is a cheater so eventually that will hurt his female numbers. He has had a lot of scandals that people have over looked as there was no alternative. If oToole is able to motivate his social con base to STFU he might have a chance.
Having spent some time in a former life in Ottawa in the staffer scene I can confirm that JT is a philanderer, but I don't think it will even matter to voters - remember this guy survived a blackface photo and numerous ethics violation that together would have sunk a lot of other politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
Also Jagmeet is so hot right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by DougW
https://www.instagram.com/p/CO_FDg3j..._web_copy_link
See his moves in this pride vid. I've voted NDP my whole life, but if I was a lady sitting on the fence (politically) right now... fuck he's hot.
If Harper had stepped down, and someone fiscally conservative yet socially liberal had run as the Conservative candidate, there's a good chance they would've won. Harper lost because people hated him personally.
A lot of things had built up so I tend to think not and time for a change is a big factor. Also the social guys had had their heads pushed down and were looking for policy that suited them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Yeah, I get the time for change / pendulum aspect. And I don't even know who that conservative centrist person to take the reins might've been.
As much as anything, it was a comment that JT's resume was zero pages.
he’d been a member of parliament for almost a decade. It would probably be a pretty short list of people who jumped from congress to president, but i wonder how uncommon this is in Canada?
I honestly don't know. I was thinking along the lines of no relevant job or education prior to entering politics, and no Cabinet position after.
Using the last Liberal PM as an example, Paul Martin (whose dad was also a career politician) had a law degree, was a CEO, and then Minister of Finance.
And Chretien's resume was considerably better than Martin's.
Looks like you need to be in the NHL to get to and from Canada. Figured this would be announced once Canadian teams needed to get into the US to play.
Hockey will get this border opening going.
http://bleacherreport.com/post/nhl/0...4-0fa9eb2954ad