Canada Closed until US Gets Covid 19 Under Control

Also... what is Trudeau supposed to address?

He could address the requirements for truckers to require a vaccination to re enter Canada. But that's where it ends. And he did address that in saying that the vast majority of truckers are vaccinated and the vast majority of people suport that law... so he said he wouldn't do anything about that. FYI I don't agree with this law, but let's be honest that this is never what the protest was about.

He can't address public health measures because those are put in place by the provinces... he has no control over that. And even if he wanted to appease protesters by trying to force provincial governments hands (which he wouldn't do), the backlash would be horrendous. FYI I think public health measures should start to be removed too, and they are... by the provinces.

He should NOT address anyone who says parliament should step down and let someone else run things because that's asinine.

What else did the protesters want? What else was he supposed to address?

How about the illegal occupation of a city for 3 weeks. Yeah, he addressed that.

I don't love Trudeau, didn't vote for him in this last election and probably won't in the next one, but as has been said before, he can't win here.

Maybe he shouldn't have used the emergencies act but I fully support not addressing the protesters.

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Canada has AML (anti money laundering) and tracing laws in place. All countries who signed international anti corruption and tracing laws do. We have the required laws in place. However the regulatory authority administering it (Fintrac) is incompetent. I work in this field. They're bumbling idiots.

In theory, Fintrac could track funding sources. If they were competent..But see above.

Fintrrac was then given more powers via the Emergencies Act. .Thank God those bumblies only had it for a few days

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Ok I'm going to defer to your expertise and say he shouldn't have used the act.

But see my post above re: the rest.

russell brand and tucker carlson are crying about the emergency act for two weeks and have only weighed in on ukraine to say it was our fault before going back to complaining about justin. the ‘truckers’ are free, go hang your canadian flags upside down and embarrass yourselves more so i can laugh at you. and the foreign sources for funding this thing are not cool.

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Well put Lee. We need politics to be less abpout demonizing the"other side" and leading or at least have a coherent path forward.

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Liked- Lee,Silly, DanoT and Grinch!

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Liked- Lee,Silly, DanoT and Grinch!

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Yeah some people are just not going to let the whole emergency act thing go

Not even an exciting 1st world war can distract them

Russel Brand it going after the NIH and Covid. He smells blood in the water

Ottawa and Ontario were responsible for, and could and should have dealt with the situation, but were demonstrably weak, indecisive, and incapable (a good argument against ill considered diversity hires) and didn’t. Most people in the Country were thoroughly fed up with indulging this nonsense, so the Feds enacted temporary legislation to enable them to take charge, put competent people in place, and acted decisively, effectively, and proportionately, then rescinded the legislation. An easy win for Trudeau amongst those not living in La La land.

^^that about covers it

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“overthrow the government convoy”

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"Bouncy Castle Convoy"....It all depends on your perspective.

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Ottawa and Ontario were responsible for, and could and should have dealt with the situation, but were demonstrably weak, indecisive, and incapable (a good argument against ill considered diversity hires) and didn’t. Most people in the Country were thoroughly fed up with indulging this nonsense, so the Feds enacted temporary legislation to enable them to take charge, put competent people in place, and acted decisively, effectively, and proportionately, then rescinded the legislation. An easy win for Trudeau amongst those not living in La La land.

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While the PM invokes the Emergencies Act it still needs to be ratified by Parliament (which it was) and the Senate (where it was unlikely to pass). Senators are appointed for life by whatever political party is in power but most senators are independent and have no formal affiliation with any party.

There were protests all over the country but most were day events and everyone went home at night. A few places (like the Pacific border crossing in Surrey, BC) turned in blockades but they were shut down by the police after a few days without any need for the Emergencies Act. Maybe we have more experience with mobs and rioting (Go Canucks Go).

The police have a long history of letting protests turn into blockades, getting a court order and then diffusing the situation. I think the Ottawa police chief did nothing because he had no support or direction from the province or federal governments. They all ran and hid.

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Russel Brand it going after the NIH and Covid. He smells blood in the water

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How is Russell Brand still relevant? I hadn't heard his name mentioned in a decade prior to a couple weeks ago.

Outrage commentary is what sells

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How is Russell Brand still relevant? I hadn't heard his name mentioned in a decade prior to a couple weeks ago.

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I've only watched Russell Brand a few times and don't know much about him, but 5 Million subscribers on Youtube have different viewing habits.

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Outrage commentary is what sells

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Yup.

He used to vilify mainstream media but now acts just like them with clickbait titles etc.

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Also... what is Trudeau supposed to address?

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Maybe he shouldn't have used the emergencies act but I fully support not addressing the protesters.

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The protestors were incoherent, inarticulate and an utter mess. Addressing them would have been window - dressing.

BUT Trudeau campaigned on unity, If you have small children throwing tantrums and stamping their feet (analogy picked deliberately) if you're the national leader campaigning on unity and putting up a big old bullshit act of inclusiveness then at least pretend to listen to them. Mouth some platitudes and all that jazz but at least try to pretend. Sure it's window-dressing but at least try. That's your job.

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Ottawa and Ontario were responsible for, and could and should have dealt with the situation, but were demonstrably weak, indecisive, and incapable .... An easy win for Trudeau amongst those not living in La La land.

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There's ample room for argument that the munis and the provinces were such bumbling dunderheads (an indisputable factoid if there was ever one) that the feds, and therefore Trudeau took the black hat mantle and ran with it ie someone had to do it. Again, that he clamped down hard via Emergencies Act and then very quickly rescinded it is good. But query again, whether one should ever let it get to that situation of needing the Emergencies Act.

That a mob of petulant incoherent truckers held cities and border crossings hostage is nuts and a failure of government. Passing the buck between various levels of government seems like a copout

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BUT Trudeau campaigned on unity, If you have small children throwing tantrums and stamping their feet (analogy picked deliberately) if you're the national leader campaigning on unity and putting up a big old bullshit act of inclusiveness then at least pretend to listen to them. Mouth some platitudes and all that jazz but at least try to pretend. Sure it's window-dressing but at least try. That's your job.

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I respectfully disagree.

You could make an argument that he should have sat with them about the trucker vaccination law... but like I said before, that was never the point of the protest and that was quickly apparent when the other demands came in.

But if you think the emergencies act was an overstep because there were other channels that the provinces and municipalities could have used, it seems reasonable to expect the province to sit down with them to discuss the cancelling of all health mandates... not Trudeau because public health measures are not his jurisdiction or his job.

You don't complain to your accountant that your doctor is being a douche and expect your accountant to do anything about it.

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I respectfully disagree.

You could make an argument that he should have sat with them about the trucker vaccination law... but like I said before, that was never the point of the protest and that was quickly apparent when the other demands came in.

But if you think the emergencies act was an overstep because there were other channels that the provinces and municipalities could have used, it seems reasonable to expect the province to sit down with them to discuss the cancelling of all health mandates... not Trudeau because public health measures are not his jurisdiction or his job.

You don't complain to your accountant that your doctor is being a douche and expect your accountant to do anything about it.

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Guess people forget or are just naive that there are multiple federal covid mandates affecting all Canadians, that the federal government is the one Implementing them and that the federal government is providing 7 billion dollars to provinces to help federalize and implement provincial passports. Not to mention that the federal government shut down the entire Country in March/April 2020, but it’s not there jurisdiction...eye roll, leave poor Justyn out of this, he’s just a puppet.... Apparently Covid and covid vaccines have given cdn’s dementia because nobody seems remember anything anymore...

More protesters converging on Victoria this weekend for another protest or maybe they already have, i would think the po-po are ready for them

so I checked the CBC news and there were NO stories of any kind that Ottawa convoy took all the air out of the room and then the Ukraine situ finished it off in the news cycle

saw a freedom protest in montreal escorted by the cops for their dumb parade. it was about 1/100th the size of the one protesting the actions of an actual tyrant.

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Guess people forget or are just naive that there are multiple federal covid mandates affecting all Canadians, that the federal government is the one Implementing them and that the federal government is providing 7 billion dollars to provinces to help federalize and implement provincial passports. Not to mention that the federal government shut down the entire Country in March/April 2020, but it’s not there jurisdiction...eye roll, leave poor Justyn out of this, he’s just a puppet.... Apparently Covid and covid vaccines have given cdn’s dementia because nobody seems remember anything anymore...

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Dear lord.

Even your fearless leader Jason Kenney had to admit he needed measures in place... yet this is somehow all Trudeaus fault.

Riiiiighhhhht.

Giving provinces money and resources to implement a plan is not forcing them to do anything... they did it on their own.

Literally nothing is all 1 persons fault... why can't you anti-trudeau types recognize that? When you blame 1 thing for literally all your problems, do you know what you sound like? A conspiracy theorist.

" What many convoy protesters get wrong about constitutional rights and the Governor General "

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cha...ness-1.6365223

just about everything

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2OlAXDW7W0

Crayon eaters dude and quitters all of themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2OlAXDW7W0

I havent wathced it yet but 5th estate is always good, don't you be a quitter sit and watch all 42 minutes with a beer

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So... Pat King isn't racist, he just uses racist 'wording and verbiage'? Got it.

That about sums it up right there....

LOL- Posting CBC articles and CBC content isn't going to get you any credit bud.....

Go arrest some Ukranian protestors and freeze there bank accounts for making to much noise....

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That about sums it up right there....

LOL- Posting CBC articles and CBC content isn't going to get you any credit bud.....

Go arrest some Ukranian protestors and freeze there bank accounts for making to much noise....

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Hey teamdirt, what news outlet do you think reports with the least bias and a high factual record?

Or let's say I don't care about bias at all and want the RW perspective. What RW news do you read that is highly factual?

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Hey teamdirt, what news outlet do you think reports with the least bias and a high factual record?

Or let's say I don't care about bias at all and want the RW perspective. What RW news do you read that is highly factual?

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I don’t have much time to reply at the moment but they all cater to a biased. CBC is well known to cater to liberal so trying to prove a point on a center ground using There media is comical....

News wires like Reuter’s are usually 50/50 and media like bbc are a bit better on RW but no matter what don’t believe everything you read...

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I don’t have much time to reply at the moment but they all cater to a biased. CBC is well known to cater to liberal so trying to prove a point on a center ground using There media is comical....

News wires like Reuter’s are usually 50/50 and media like bbc are a bit better on RW but no matter what don’t believe everything you read...

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I agree that CBC leans left, but I find it to still report facts and they interview RW pols when I listen. So I just don't understand the derision of the people in the "convoy" hurling insults at them or posters laughing about links here. It doesn't seem to be clickbait journalism or worthy of the frothing at the mouth Tucker tirade the other night, but I'm open to others. Reuters is very center and factual, I agree.