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Sounds like her dog was on a leash... thus in her control. Working dogs are often certifiably nuts.. but awesome at their jobs. Who knows. I wasnt there but sounds like she and her dog were authorized to be there and you're dog was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by wooley12
Bear was a special animal. Unlike any dog I have known. Let's leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by plugboots
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Originally Posted by doebedoe
Probably shouldnt bring your aggressive dog to areas where its likely other dogs (especially if they are likely to be offleash) are going to be. Its really an asshole move on your part to intentionally keep exposing your dog to situations that freak him out. Its kinda like forcing your skittish dog to go for a walk at night on the 4th of July in an area where fireworks are "illegal", and then yelling at every group of people you pass by setting off fireworks that they shouldnt be doing that!!
Yeah, I'm going to listen to the professional behaviorist I've worked him with over random internet dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
My dog isn't leash reactive unless an off leash dog gets up in his business. He's absolutely fine with other dogs on the trail on leash and waits patiently at the side of the trail for mtbers, runners or faster hikers to pass. I know my dogs thresholds and how to work on them.
It's a real asshole move on other peoples part to expect all dogs to be like their own and not respect the stated rules of the area. It's why I don't take him to off leash dog parks despite the fact he has excellent recall. Or take him trail running on popular trails near my house.
Got it. You believe we must do our best to accommodate your dog, and all follow rules very strictly or expect to suffer severe, disproportional physical violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
IDK, maybe your dog's dysfunction isn't nearly as severe as you make it sound, but if another dog happily bounds up and slowly does the ol' butt sniff hello, and your dog attacks it... thats a really shitty thing you and your dog just did.
Why the fuck are you guys talking about off leash dogs?
Millions of peoples are selfish assholes who think they know better and their dog is fine. There's actually a handful of people who do know better and their dogs are actually are fine. What this has to do with riding a motorized bike, I dunno? Wooley, you apparently got it, explain please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead
Why are you fucking with a thread drift in a thread that's like beating a dead horse?Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
If the aggressive dog has bit or killed another dog before, then I see your point. Otherwise the off-leash owner is a clueless. Means well, but doesn't know shit about dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Shredhead was making a point about e-bikes, keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Many people have offleash dogs in leashed areas and they get along fine (non modified e-bikes). then there are a small percentage of people that have aggressive dogs off leash in leashed areas (modified e-bikes). They do not ban all dogs from these areas when problems arise (all mountain bikes). They just try to enforce the leash law (existing e-bike laws).Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Also, im just not a fan of people taking their aggressive dogs out into public and then blaming others for the fights that ensue between their aggressive dog and another fairly innocent dog. Kinda like road rage, yes you may have been cut off accidentally, but that doesnt mean you can go beat the person with a tire iron.
But mainly the first paragraph.
Just train the off leashed dogs to bite e-bikers. Problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Correct me if am wrong, but i believe Doeboedoe described his dog as going apeshit on other dogs who approach it while its leashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
Now we are getting somewhere!Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Exactly. My dog has never bit or killed another dog before. He's been bit and scarred by off-leash dogs that bite back at him after they run up to him, stick their nose in his butt, and he growls at them. I've had to kick dogs off him that attacked him because he growled at them and ours won't fight back.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
You think a dog that is leash reactive doesn't deserve to enjoy hikes because people can't be asked to control their dogs. That's fucked and selfish of you and dog owners who don't follow rules meant to protect their dogs.
I said my dog is leash reactive to dogs that approach him while he is leashed and they are not. Apeshit -- no. He will border collie stalk them, and growl at them if they are big and shove their nose in his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
that behavior is a far cry from what you said before. Carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
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Originally Posted by doebedoe
Not really. I don't think "shits gonna go down" means "my dog is gonna rip your dogs face off".Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
It's still gonna be a negative interaction and hurt my dogs psyche because someone can't be asked to follow the rules because "their dog is nice, why isn't yours".
Impressive thread drift, wow!
Its a TGR summer time tradition!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldMember
As the OP, I think training your dog to bite eBikers belongs in this thread.
I think this is something we can all get behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by wooley12
Besides the fact that ebikers should be able to out run them, because all ebikes are modified to beat restrictions limiting them to 20mph.
Shit wouldn't go down with my dog. He'd hear the growl or sense the aggravation and quickly go on his merry way, almost certainly without getting within 10'. Saying shit WILL go down, implies your dog will attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
Who is worse for your dog: the owner who allows their happy dog to interact with your dog in a normal manner, though against park rules, or your dogs owner who intentionally and repeatedly exposes him to traumatizing experiences and blames others for causing those traumas?
Pics from the morning coffee. A multi use trail
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Yep, a bear.
Good for your dog then. He's not the type I'm talking about. Hope you never deal with getting an imperfect rescue who deserves love and exercise in the outdoors. I'm talking about the 100# bernie who runs up offleash to my dog, ignoring their owner's commands (or not, "don't worry he's friendly"), ignoring my dogs warning signs and then escalates when my dog growls.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
So my dog, who love people, bikes, and is fine with other on-leash dogs -- should never be allowed to go out on long hikes in leashed-areas because other people can't follow rules? Those people are the worse people. Not getting my rescue the exercise he needs as a working breed because people can't be asked to control their animals is bullshit.
In this analogy the "illegal" fireworks are "ebikes" and the scolds are people concerned about drought-fueled wildfires... errr, trail access?Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
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Originally Posted by doebedoe
You don't have to be faster than the bear, you just have to eBike faster than the bear!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wooley12
Or be the guy on the ebike while your buddies are on MTB's so you're faster than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by smartyiak
Ya know, I've actually thought about offering to shuttle bikers of any stripe up into the forest about 10 miles away where the cougar brought one down. Go at dusk and I'll give you a special tee shirt.
If an off leash dog and an on leash dog get into a fight it is always the off leash dogs fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Seems like you don't care about anyone except yourself.
Alcohol may have been involved… :redface:Quote:
Originally Posted by nest
1) Pointing out the hypocrisy and irony. MTNGrl and some others have little clue as to the history of trail access and the effort put in by many (who did far more than I), but that doesn’t stop them from being indignant and self righteous about trail access they feel entitled to.
Mountain bike specific trails are a relatively new phenomenon, many of the best trails (IMO) that exist were built by others and predated mountain biking.
2) Ebikes are coming, no mater how you feel about them, the wave is just starting to break and it is going to be a big one. Taking a fundamentalist approach and digging heels in isn’t going to help or make it go away. Nearly all of the rhetoric is fear/assumption based. Yeah, yeah some trails have been closed to mountain bikes in the past, and it is an ongoing problem with some new potential closures looming. However, there have also been a lot of new trails that have opened up over time, some on public land, some on private, and in the PNW specifically, more are coming. Like many things you have to take the long view.
A proactive approach needs to be developed and discussed by all involved instead of bickering (which I am admittedly part of in this thread). Actual study should replace fear based assumption. For instance, industry supported grants for independent, in depth study as to the true/actual effects of projected ebike traffic on trails, potential conflicts, etc. In the end, if these proposed studies show that the impact is nominal, then we can figure out a way to move forward together. If the studies show that the impact is considerable the risks to public health and safety too high, then land managers will be armed with something other than assumptions for making proper choices. That also means that people buying these products will have a better understanding of how they are impacting their environment and why there are limitations on where they can go.
From a user group standpoint, trying to push ebikes and the people who would ride them away doesn’t build our community, it divides it. And, it’s worth pointing out that many of these people that some would ridicule are in a good place to help, both in terms of income and influence.
Self aggrandizing - pffft, whatever - the point of relating my background is to provide foundation and context for the first statement, I was there, I lived it, otherwise I couldn’t care less if anyone is impressed or not.
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..and that would be the point in the ride where your battery dies, leaving you 20+ lbs of dead weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldMember
"Your buddies quickly speed past you, as you struggle up the hill with your new lithium dead weight. As the approaching noise behind you announces your role for tonight's entree, you contemplate why it was a good idea to smoke that last bowl the previous night, and forget to recharge your bike..."
^^ And that's a compelling reason for me not to have an e-bike....let someone else's battery die on them.
Or just ditch the battery in the bushes, go home and charge up your spare and ride back to get it the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by S_jenks
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Actually, the law says ebikes aren't allowed on natural surface non motorized trails in Washington State unless specifically allowed by the land managers.
How will they "study" the number of people who will modify their ebikes to have more power and speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by ACH
How will they study the comfort level of hikers getting passed at 20 miles per hour where the fast bikes use to climb at 5 miles per hour?
How will they make a motor not a motor?
How would life have evolved in a world controlled by mtngirl79?
all motors are not the same. All the non-motorized distinctions were made prior to existence of these silent and much-less-powerful motors. You get that right? You get that when "motor vs non-motor" was being considered, the motors involved were an entirely different deal. It's entirely plausible to posit that if weak, silent, electric motors had been involved in the first place, we wouldn't have "motor vs. nonmotor" as the working distinction at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Motor and non-motor is about as fine a line as there can be. Pretty simple. Not based on an arbitrary speed, or if you have some preexisting medical condition, or anything else - motors don't belong on trails designated as non-motorized. If it's an unofficial trail, fair game. Why do people keep trying to argue against this? If ebikers are so butthurt about it, maybe they can band together, build their own trails, and keep mountain bikes off of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy