I can do the same thing on my wr 250....but it's not mountain biking.Quote:
Originally Posted by klauss
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I can do the same thing on my wr 250....but it's not mountain biking.Quote:
Originally Posted by klauss
Everyone is talking about the equipment available now, like it isn't going to evolve as time and money are pumped into the technology. Sure, they might weight 50 lbs now, but wait a few years and they'll be 30 guaranteed. Like how computer processors used to take up a whole room now can fit on the tip of your finger.
Battery technology is one of the biggest things going on right now, not just for bikes, but car obviously. Shitton of money going that direction so it will eventually filter down to bikes and it's gonna be pretty badass.
It is going to happen, regardless of the internet rants and handwringing so might as well embrace it.
Riding an ebike on singletrack is like taking an elevator one floor. Often legal, and useful if you have heavy loads to tote or you're old and/or decrepit. Don't really see the point otherwise.
Apparently an Altitude Power play caught fire at a dealer in B.C.
Its happenning already. Machines are taking over! Your ebike wants you dead!!!
Skynet bikes are next! Our savior will travel from the past and defeat the ebike overlord while riding a Univega with a Gervin flexstem. Charge safe everyone...
Even with a carbon frame e-MTB-mopeds weigh around 50lbs. They are heavier because of the battery and motor and also because some of the components like the fork need to be heavier to handle the weight and speed. They'll get a little lighter but apples-to-apples you're still looking at a 20lb penalty over a similarly capable bike for the foreseeable future.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
IDK, you might be right. Ebikes are a sure thing on the road/gravel, especially for commuting and dinking around, but the industry is driven by fads so often times what looks like a sure thing on the trail today is collecting dust tomorrow.
A battery expert client of mine says that the limiter on technology is regulatory and safety standards on batteries. He's fairly confident that battery weight and size of packs will stay roughly the same for a decade or so unless new materials are invented and pointed out that most R&D at present is going into static industrial applications.
The weight may come down. It won't be substantial reductions
It isn't even about the bike industry at this point, these are just a product of the trillions of dollars being invested in battery technology. You really don't think batteries will get smaller and more efficient? The bike industry has always benefited from advances in technology that they didn't necessarily fund. You think carbon was created for mountain biking?Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
Surely he knows more than I do, but I would assume that incremental advances would still be made in design. Hard to believe that such a fast emerging technology would stagnate all of the sudden.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
I agree and disagree. The bike industry is piggybacking on a revolution in motor and battery technology that dates back to the early aughts. Electric motors, especially. So what looks new to bikes is somewhat mature tech elsewhere. The reason why I wrote "foreseeable future" in the original post is because someday we might see things like solid state batteries but we're not there yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Then there's physics. Tires and components need to be a little beefier to handle the weight and speed. If you can lighten those things for ebikes then you can also lighten those things for regular bikes... and trail bikes have more or less plateaued in terms of weight loss.
Yeah, not saying that ebike will ever be the same weight as a non-e bike. But maybe the same weight as regular mtbs are now. A 30-35lb bike rides pretty damn well all over the place, and would be totally acceptable with a battery and motor on it, especially if that weight was lower in the COG.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
Battery tech is incremental right now, so I wouldn’t expect a huge leap anytime soon. Whoever solves that problem will be the next trillionaire.
I say all the time that once they are
a) ~32 pounds
b) ~6000 dollars
c) have 75 mile battery life
d) I am sixty
I will get one (we have hundreds of miles of moto legal trails in the Big Holes that kinda suck on a standard bike)....
Whichever comes first.
There will be several 37-39lb full suspension bikes next year . Battery/motor/software weighs 9lbs
Shredgnar what Tahoe said is essentially correct. The physics behind batteries needs a massive quantum leap breakthrough. Which I am told is possible in large static applications.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
The bar is not just the physics but regulatory safety standards understandable given fire danger if batteries catch fire and/or explode.
Grinch most of the ebike weight reduction is going into commuters and super light hardtails or fragile FS using super light components. The batterypack/supply/transmission combo is already hitting walls in terms of weight -reduction.
I'm not saying it won't happen. I'm just saying that there's realworld barriers to the batteries getting lighter.
If anyone here is interested in the science of lithium ion and possible ways forward read this re lithium polymer, solid state and cobalt. Other articles talk about the R&D focus on large static uses https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...-battery-power
No doubt, but in reality these hybrids are not Bicycles. Call them E-bikes or Mo-peds but they are not Bicycles.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
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A bicycle, also called a cycle or bike, is a human-powered, pedal-driven, single-track vehicle, having two wheels attached to a frame, one behind the other. A bicycle rider is called a cyclist, or bicyclist.
I will not embrace ebikers on non motorized trails.
I will mock them.
Yeah that’s kind of funny, I do that every time I come to the top of one of my rides and shuttlers are lining up to do the downhill part. I usually just do little circles around them and laugh before heading down.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
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I guess my original comment had no horizon, therefore, whether it is 10, 20, or 30 years or more from now, the tech will eventually succeed or the sport won't even exist because we will all be flying around like on the jetsons.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Pffft. The Jetsons.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
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Originally Posted by plugboots
Weirdo
16 pages of nonsensical distraction just to say "Search JONG" is impressive. Feels like we might not make 20 though, so here:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ead.php/313590
Order is in. 2-3 week wait. So much boost. Boost everywhere. Much saint. Needs bigger shoes though. I’ll change that up first thing
That is one fugly motorcycle.
The Focus Raven2 uses a less powerful motor & battery and it looks like a regular hardtail MTB. Focus says it's for setting Strava E-KOMs. What's an E-KOM?Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
No try for you!! #lapsonlapsQuote:
Originally Posted by mmmm...pow!
King of the mt. The lightest e should help is their theory I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
You're not very bright and seem to lack reading comprehension. I'm not threatened at all by being passed by anyone. That's not what this is about to me. Motorized use where legal, no motorized use where it's illegal. Ebikes are motorized even if they have pedals. They're electric mopeds basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kanone
lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kanone
Apropos of nothing. Today I was riding the Bangtail divide trail which is in the Bangtail mountains east of Bridger Bowl.
20+ miles of pretty good single track and sections of it are open to motorized < 50" width (Motorcycles). We were on the final climb of the 1st 1/2 when I see 2 motorcycles descending towards us. They pulled to the side to let us by. As I passed the first rider I thanked her and commented that this section is not open to motorized. She confidently said, "yes it is".
She was wrong. I didn't argue because, she and the other girl gave us right of way, were friendly and from what I could tell were quite attractive.
Mainly I cut her some slack because I know who cut the 50+ trees off the trail up above this early summer. It was the Motorcycle riders who frequent the area, the USFS here has little budget for clearing trails so it is a Vigilante effort.
Of course it is also the motorized users who tore down all the signage showing what trails are and are not open to motorized use. During the 1st 5 mile 2000' climb I pondered whether or not that particular trail would be suitable for E-bikes and I concluded that I didn't really give a shit and if I came across riders on e-bikes I would treat them just like any other trail user. Say hi and wish them well.
This attitude would serve all MTBers well, especially newbs like Mtngirl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion
A smile goes a long way!
Yeah, well her long blonde pony tail and smile didn't hurt either.;)
Fuck off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead
Motors are motors. Keep your fucking motors on trails motors are allowed on.
People ignoring access rules get trails closed.
Regardless if they are hot or not.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
An eBike just went by going up on SVT. Truth. Can't make this shit up. The fact is the Rail to Trail 40 feet away from me is a perfect place for ebikers who are not looking for a "rush" or to see how much suffering they can endure to brag about. If common sense wasn't a rare commodity the world could fit everyone in.
Then get involved. Advacate for change.Quote:
Originally Posted by wooley12
No time to do it politically but I'm hoping to get involved actively. Do you do a lot of riding on old RR beds?
Nope. I really do not care on a personal level except that I do not want bikes to be considered the same as motorized bikes for reasons that have been thoroughly hashed out already.
I am concerned about safety with the added speed on shared trails and paths, though.
Then you have no bone to pick with me. Good for us. I'm talking RR trail, legal of not. When I started this thread I had no idea bicycle access was a war zone. I'm glad I created this thread so good discussions can be had in Tech Talk eBike thread.
carry on
Access for mountain bikers has been an uphill battle and people like you that think you are above the rules and bring motors on non motorized trails puts access for everyone on wheels at risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by wooley12
There are TONS of forest service roads you could legally ride an ebike.
Yeah, I know. Thanks.
Hey!Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
You can fuck right off with this shit...
Just because you discovered mountain biking in the recent past doesn't give you the right to tell anyone jack shit.
I was on the front line of early advocacy efforts, fought for access on trails that mountain bikers had no hand in building or maintaining. I've also been a part of building more trial than most here.
So get off that tall fucking horse of yours and try not to hurt up yourself in the process.
G-buzz, I have finally heard enough of your shit.
If you can't be constructive and see that your point of view isn't only point of view, then yes, for fuck sake STFU/GTFO!
Goes for the rest of you my-way-or-the-highway fucktards in this place.