its been like 3 months since i got over it but i still can't trust a fart.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
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its been like 3 months since i got over it but i still can't trust a fart.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
Where is it? Different forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermoon
I've shit my pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by riser4
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ad.php?t=31230
No wonder. It's not in the One Forum.
Working with this gen Z over the past year has been super annoying. In conversation tonight I’ve realized that it’s not that they don’t know how to work. They do.
It’s that they aren’t willing. They’ve got it in their mind there’s no incentive. There is no house they can afford anymore in desirable locations. The way of life they may have grown up with, mom and dad’s house, with that yard, and a garage for your bike? That’s not attainable in their minds.
So why work for it?
That’s fucking annoying. There is always a way to better yourself and your life. No matter where you are.
https://youtu.be/cgg9byUy-V4?si=ibqqPgtSu2ST-m2vQuote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
Its interesting. The old mentality was to work hard because being a hard worker was a desirable attribute the way good looks, or wealth is. It was also more widely accepted/internalized that hard work in-and-of-itself was fulfilling. But, newer generations are realizing that hard work is simply a means to an end, and there needs to be a desirable, attainable prize for them to work hard for, otherwise, why work hard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
So on the one hand, if you are a competitive, hard worker with smarts, its never been easier to advance your career because the competition amongst younger peers is less fierce and you can stand out more to the older generations with money and power. But on the other, people are now realizing that maybe killing yourself for a couple decades just to likely top out at Middle Mgmt might not worth it, and so they might as well take a more laid back approach to their career and let that MM position come to them 10 yrs later than it would have otherwise.
i also think that a lot of Gen Z are counting on an inheritance, or support from their parents to buy a house or to bolster their retirement.
Perhaps their lack of motivation COULD have something to do with most companies being like this these days? [sorry in advance for TikTok link but it's the only place vid's posted]Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
https://www.tiktok.com/@feloniousfal...64890193939754
Kinda like when Sephora hit $10 billion in sales, and bragged about it to employees by rewarding them with what? A freaking cookie. No doubt to remind all of their minimum wage retail staff of how all of their hard work and dedication helped buy their execs a new fleet of corporate jets and phat bonuses. Talk about tone deaf!!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sephora/com...ves_employees/
OK boomer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
the work/life balance that worked for the olds just don’t pay off like it used to.
excellent answerQuote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
I pay more for labor now and get less work in return than ten years ago and I'm not dealing with Gen Z it's gen x and millennials
as much as these teenagers and early twenty somethings get shit on (don't all generations?)
these kids are getting into the trades alot of them aren't afraid to get their hands dirty
the millennials truly missed out they ate the goto college shit up and get a good job hitting enter all day on the computer and it isn't working out for alot of them
corporations don't value workers at all and the workers now fully realize that
On balance, I'm giving a higher grade to the 40 and under working hands crowd (both sexes) than the 40 and up white collar professionals.
For every 30 year old train wreck trying to be carpenter white boy, I'll raise you 5 Wendy's pounding "dog ate my homework" designers, architects, property managers and so on. You know a skill he's got? Training and managing 20somethings?
If you suck at your job, you suck at your job. Nothing more, nothing less. Trying to carve out a stereotype of who is and isn't is stupid. I'm pretty sure my covered in tats borderline whisky tango Millenial countertop guy is making about $300k. You know a skill he got that's in demand?
Agreed. Percentage of rockstars to deadweights seems pretty consistent across generations, in my experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
How come most of the people doing the hard jobs around here speak Spanish?
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As managers and older assholes, it is our job to show them the meritocracy. It you can't walk to walk of demonstrating the path forward, thats on you. If you don't have hire/fire and pay descresion, you are limited and your employees mark you as such.
I'm sure that is annoying.
IME its not the folks who you want to fire, its the folks with a ton of potential and ZERO initiative/motivation that are frustrating. They are just good enough to not be fired, and that is good enough for them. They work to the minimum qualifications... its like they think it is still school were you will get your diploma (promotion) as long as you keep getting a C-Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
long storyQuote:
Originally Posted by old goat
it's been fascinating to watch and be part of over the past thirty years
told the temp service I didn't want some jack assess last week
got two great guys attitude was amazing the job was super shitty
can always tell the "new guys" they are like a dear in headlights
Had a guy work for me for a year and a half, friend of friends. He sucked at most of his job. But he showed up on time, and knew how to at least not fuck up the stuff that I had him do, but just couldn't learn to do a few important things. I hired a trainer to come in from out of state and teach him and two other guys how to be good at their job so that I could pay the more money as they became more autonomous. Well first day of training comes around and he didn't show. At first I was worried, thought maybe he got hit by a car walking to work or something. But two days later I get his shop key in our drop box. No call, no nothing. Just stopped coming in and turned in his key.
Better off already without him, hired a guy who in two weeks is already better than he was. I was honestly trying to help him get to the point where I could pay him more money but he just didn't want it or couldn't do it.
Witness protection. Didn't want any extra scrutiny. Might blow his cover. :wink:
i figured out LONG ago i did not want to be the manager and have to hang out with a bunch of other managers, give me life on the road, also if I work at 100% they will always want 100 % so always leave something in reserveQuote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
And none of this is new. Some of us Gen-X'ers have been doing this since the early 90's. And fuck middle management. I've been in the IT trenches for 30-ish years now. Pay has never been spectacular, but it's a decent living with what amounts to not a terrible amount of work.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Attachment 496221
Crinkle Cut Charmin? What in the Why in the Fuck?
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It’s actually fantastic. Doesn’t rip off weird so us ocd types don’t go deeper into insanity.
I applaud their attention to detail but I don't like it. I like a nice even, straight break between sheets.Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
Trigger finger, right hand ring finger - annoying.
Also jet lag, can’t get to sleep at 3:30 am.
As a former professional world traveler, I've learned it's best to just go with it and push it out til the next night. Have breakfast, do your whole day routine, NO napping, and it'll be lights out after dinner. Boom. Back to your regularly scheduled programming. Similarly, that's how I'd adjust to new locales 12 time zones away. Now if I was circumventing the globe, making stops all along the way, but knew I'd be back home in a few days, I'd just stick with home time. You travel enough, and you just start using GMT/UTC all the time for everything and it's all just +/- from that. Helps to keep it all straight. Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
I'd love to be wrong but, these feels like some type of systemic disconnect in society right now. Generally speaking, the participation trophy generation has been getting high fives for C work. This has manifested as really being pretty deficient in getting the self satisfaction from doing a good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
At the same time, the prospects and opportunities for those the never get out of second gear kind of suck. I seems like a generational difference to be. 25 years ago in Denver (what I know) you could have some BS cube monkey job, do your 40, be someone financially responsible, buy a house, play a bit of golf at the public coarse, have a newer car, fund the 401k, ski and camp every weekend as so on.
It annoys me that 50s peeps that are getting their's come with the "do as I do and you'll have what I have mindset". Yes, the opportunity existent, but not everyone is above average. Absent some family wealth or other true priveledge (no, being white isn't enough) life for those that coast isn't that comfortable. Yet, we are so soft on the young'uns that we have been rewarding coasting.
I know a couple of workers that can't ever be on time. One came with a note that says they have been diagnosed with "time blindness". You know the type oversleep, miss the bus, get a ride to school, no detention for being late, no job as teenager because thats not a thing anymore and so on. So homeboy can keep being late, he'll be replacement when the labor pool allows and he'll be wondering why he's stick sucking dick for beer money.
Best we've set the incentive system up all wrong. People get out into the big mean world, don't have the self awareness to realize that life is what you make of it, probably wave the mental health flag, go on the drugs and boom...that's the new average.
Ohh...and contrast that, generally, the in immigrant communities. Chores from the time you can walk, going to work with parents soon after that. You want stuff, go earn it. I've got friends kids, mid 20s, Mexican parents (they are Dreamers), American educated (no college), full bilingual just out there killin' it butting on their big boy pants Adulting the Fuck Outta It.
An then I know other young adult from way more cush upper middle class families with the 4 year degree that can't get out of their parents basement.
This amused me during my morning shit session. Set the phone down and lo and behold, new roll of TP is crinkle cut charmin.Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
Ohh...and contrast that, generally, the in immigrant communities. Chores from the time you can walk, going to work with parents soon after that. You want stuff, go earn it. I've got friends kids, mid 20s, Mexican parents (they are Dreamers), American educated (no college), full bilingual just out there killin' it butting on their big boy pants Adulting the Fuck Outta It.
An then I know other young adult from way more cush upper middle class families with the 4 year degree that can't get out of their parents basement.
VT got walloped again with rain and flooding exactly a year after the last one. We need a few bazillion dollars to relocate out of the flood plains.
all you guys got is floodplains and mountaintops. where are you gonna put the folks?
There's that minor detail working against us for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
https://slate.com/human-interest/202...ltra-soft.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
Imagine being the poor schmoe at Charmin who was told "come up with something new that we can market"
“Time Blindness” is hilarious.
Does he have “Time Deafness” as well when the alarm goes off?
WTF?
It’s not something you would normally have on its own. That usually is something that accompanies severe dyslexia and ADHD.
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Originally Posted by m2711c
Right but in a world on emotional support donkeys, the prospects for small business employers is really fucking scary. When there becomes a medical diagnosis for everything that makes someone shitty at that their job and that medical condition leads to protected class status that is fucking annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
It comes back to the above, "my kid can't make it on time" "he's not good at math early in the day" "IEPs for everyone" "Adderall and Ritalin required" has kinda become the way. And so it just skirts personal responsibility and becomes toxic in the work place.
I approve of this company policy. Is the pill jar on the front desk next to the candy jar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
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Originally Posted by skaredshtles
hmmm… that’s gonna interfere with the viewshed.
fact.