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Same people who leave a huge mess on/around their table at a restaurant. On purpose.
It’s the putting them in a parking spot right behind my bike that pissed me off. Sure leave them around but why put them there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead
when I lived in New Jersey people would always drive right up my ass then pull in front of me only to slam on the brakes and then take a right. Also, I find the traffic jug handles pretty fucking annoying only to be in another state and find myself cruising slowly in the right lane looking for my left turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by half-fast
The term is ‘passholes’.Quote:
Originally Posted by half-fast
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I am with you, if a Genie granted me 3 wishes, those miserable pieces of shit would all vanish from the face of the earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
Right lane is hard to travel in due to the varying speeds of vehicles and geniuses that don't understand "merge", middle lane is a mixing bowl with vehicles coming from both sides and the most likely place to get mistakenly bumped by the terminally oblivious. This means that the only "safe" lane is the left lane so I drive fast and camp out there for long periods. Then it annoys me when someone comes up on me doing 15-20 over and they make me feel like I have to jump on the brakes and move out of their way ASAP while forcing other traffic to also do something potentially stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
You're spot on with people's reasoning. However there really is a simple solution to this. HOLD YOUR GROUND. When I'm chilling out in the right lane at speed limit or under, I maintain my speed at a constant. It is legally the oncoming merger's responsibility to match the speed of the traffic they're trying to get into. It may get a bit spooky at times, but people always magically figure it out somehow. Only time I make way for them is when traffic's moving slowly and it's courteous to make some space for them to zipper in, but if traffic's cruising and nobody's tailgating me (nor do I ever tailgate others), then there's always plenty of room for oncoming traffic to figure their crap out. It's on them. Passing lanes are for passing only, even if it's "oh so scawy" in that right lane. The more our society could figure that out, the better off we'd all be.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Sorry, but you are the problem here. GTFO of the left lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
There's no good way to maintain a steady speed anywhere other than the left lane. When you do 1k+ miles a week constant on/off is so hard on the car (and uses way more gas) so why not just be smooth and steady as long as you're going faster than the other lanes? I always move over but I don't make myself crazy to do it and I really don't care what anyone thinks but on a 2 lane Interstate the right lane is not a reasonable travel lane unless the traffic is very light.
Just drive at the rate of traffic please. (Not the speed limit)
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This. It won’t hurt you to speed up or down a little bit to match traffic.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
And to the idea that you don’t have any obligation to yield to merging traffic from any lane, much less a fucking on-ramp: fuck you. “Hold your ground.” Get the fuck outta here.
Gravitylover just described driving in the left lane and passing traffic on the right and in order to accommodate someone who has decided they want to drive faster then the flow of traffic in the left lane he has to get on the brakes to slow to the speed of traffic in the next lane over and maybe force a lane change so he can change lanes. IE - not a left lane camper.
GL should move over when the obvious opening on the right presents itself so the guy who wants to as fast as possible can do so. Otherwise, the guy who wants to drive faster than everyone else who is passing traffic on their right can just be patient.
I don't know about hold your ground, but in my state the legal requirement is that the entering traffic must yield to traffic on the freeway. In reality, everything works better when everyone adjusts their speed to keep traffic flowing as best as possible. There is a bit of a trend lately where despite having a large merge zone, entering traffic just gets to whatever speed they want, sits next to traffic on the freeway until the end of the merge and then nearly causes a accident as they attempt to force their way in instead of reducing their speed to slide in behind or hitting the accel to get in front. IE - people won't zipper merge when entering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustonen
This is why we will never, ever accept/tolerate AI controlled transport.
@oldnew_guy Yup. My issue is when the even-faster-guy gets all uppity making me or whoever he's trying to push over do something that messes with the flow. Safety (and efficiency) on the open road is all about the flow and making anyone hit the brakes breaks that and adds complexity that people are bad at dealing with.
Merging is totally misunderstood and more often lately people just choose not to. The other entrance ramp problem is the people like my wife that get on a highway and immediately head for the middle lane because they expect to be on the road for a while. They usually aren't up to middle lane speed yet breaking the flow for everyone. Last night traffic refused to let me on the Interstate forcing me down to under 10mph and eventually forced onto the exit ramp because I couldn't just come to a complete stop and wait for a hole. That added 20 minutes because I had to go up an exit and turn around :cussing: If just 2 cars had moved into the empty middle lane it could've made everything better but no...
Of course, and I worded my post too strongly. Too many take that as license to prevent merging through speeding up. Like, there were 6 car lengths between you and the car in front of you when I picked my spot and matched my speed, and now somehow there is less than one?Quote:
Originally Posted by oldnew_guy
In any event, a world where we let each other match speed and merge (or even make a little room if it’s a mess) is a better world.
I try to avoid being the first fastest car on the highway, and will usually pace whoever would like to pass me from a quarter mile or so behind. They usually sort out all the aggro bullshit before I get there, which is nice.
It doesn't matter how fast or how slow you're going, camping out in the left lane because you think you're protecting other peoples "safety" makes you the worst kind of cunt on the highway. You're not the "highway avenger." Move the fuck over.
Some of you should go to Europe as a passenger in a vehicle and just observe how it is properly done.
My safety, the reality is I don't give a shit about the other individuals past taking myself out of their way but I will never purposely make someone use their brakes. What's so hard to understand that it's not camping if you're passing everybody other than the one or two going even faster? Why should someone slow down to the prevailing speed when that varies rather than sailing along smoothly? Just so that they're not camping? Bullshit. If you're willing to accept the risk that comes with going 10-20 over and none else is then you belong in the passing lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touring_Sedan
You can call it whatever you want to justify it to yourself but the fact remains that if you were going a reasonable speed in the left lane you wouldn't be getting passed by people in the right lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
Happens all the time:
Back of a 10 car line (or even a single car) in the left lane passing a 20 car line behind a semi with a 5-10 mph speed differential and everyone at or above the speed limit. Moving right means getting on the brakes and probably cutting someone off or at least making them back off as you slide over into the middle of the 20 car line.
The guy who wants to go 10-20 faster than everyone currently in the left lane is not being reasonable by expecting everyone to shift right and drive slower to accommodate them when everyone is already passing traffic on their right.
IMO the correct and legal move for the left laner is to maintain their speed and move right as soon as a safe opportunity arises.
Unfortunately, we all know the scenario above is far outweighed by dumbasses sitting in the left lane not passing or barely passing when they could be in the right lane because they just feel more comfortable in the left.
Where did I say I was being passed on the right? No, that doesn't happen. Ever. If anything I'm the one moving to the right to pass the car going too slow in the left lane. Like I said, it's all about the flow and everybody's goal should be to never fuck that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touring_Sedan
Helps keep people employed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermoon
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Dude, you don't cruise in the left lane. Slowest traffic in right lane, faster and passing in middle lane, passing in left only. If someone is on your ass in the left lane and you have open space in front of you simply get out of the left lane. It is pretty simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravitylover
We should all want the guy going 90 to have clear sailing in the left lane, so he can cleat out all the traffic cops up ahead.
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I just realized how I misphrased that. I typed it like the person coming up is doing 15-20 over, no that's me. They're rolling 20+ over if they're catching up with me. Yeah I move but I won't jump on the brakes to make the move, they'll back off until it's just a slide-in move.