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Dipshits on e-dirt bikes piss me off.
I live by a pleasant little neighborhood park, 15 minute paved loop around some wetlands and relatively untamed treed areas, little pavilion with a playground in the middle. It's perfect for dogs to run around, old people to take a stroll, and I've been going there a whole bunch with the baby because it beats driving somewhere to hike or walking around the block. People treat the place relatively well, I pick up trash every couple of weeks and it's never been overwhelming. Recently some kid on a Surron has been rallying around the place, treating like his personal moto playground. He hauls down the paved path, skids all over the place, lays some big drifts in the wood chips of the kids playground, and basically made a mess of the place over the winter with the dirt being super soft. He's scared the shit out of me a couple times cause I'm talking to the baby and keeping an eye on the dog so I don't notice him until he's right on my ass. I've told him to tone it down before he creams an old lady with her walker, and in general not to be a dumbass in a place that has a clear "no motorized vehicles" sign at the entrance.
In the past month he's taken it to the next level:

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Basically built himself a couple of loops in the trees with some jumps and some massive ruts which are getting deeper every time I see them. Tonight I was out there with kid and dog and I see him roll up with a buddy. Both on Surrons, full face helmets, full kit. I got into it with him and his only argument was that it was a public park and UT doesn't distinguish between classes of e-bikes. So the fuck what? There are plenty of people cruising around the park on e-bikes who I'd never even think of harassing, the motor isn't the point. The city basically allocates $50 a year to its parks, everything is falling apart, they don't need dipshits turning the place into a supercross arena. We're in fucking town, there's one semi-pleasant corner of vegetation within walking distance of the house, and I'm gonna get run over by electric Travis Pastrana? Fuck that noise. I'm gonna go all Karen on his ass and notify the city. Get off my park you little turd!

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Originally Posted by Boissal

Dipshits on e-dirt bikes piss me off.

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Yeah those things and the shit heads who ride them are all over our trails now. A lot of them are adding 72V motors, full size motocross tires and upgraded suspension so we have the equivalent of full size motos tearing up the trails.

We've got a bunch of mesa tops in our local parks and they love to burn in turns in those flat areas like in the photo above. The rangers in those parks are super pissed as they are doing a ton of off trail damage too. The ranger I work with finally caught one of them and when he tried to write a citation got cussed out and threatened before the guy rode off. "I'm sick and tired of you guys harassing us. This is public land. Fuck you, you can't tell me where to ride! One of these days you're going to say something to the wrong guy and get your ass kicked." It went farther than that, but that's about the attitude you get from most of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9L8CbG-UDE

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Originally Posted by Boissal

Dipshits on e-dirt bikes piss me off.
I live by a pleasant little neighborhood park, 15 minute paved loop around some wetlands and relatively untamed treed areas, little pavilion with a playground in the middle. It's perfect for dogs to run around, old people to take a stroll, and I've been going there a whole bunch with the baby because it beats driving somewhere to hike or walking around the block. People treat the place relatively well, I pick up trash every couple of weeks and it's never been overwhelming. Recently some kid on a Surron has been rallying around the place, treating like his personal moto playground. He hauls down the paved path, skids all over the place, lays some big drifts in the wood chips of the kids playground, and basically made a mess of the place over the winter with the dirt being super soft. He's scared the shit out of me a couple times cause I'm talking to the baby and keeping an eye on the dog so I don't notice him until he's right on my ass. I've told him to tone it down before he creams an old lady with her walker, and in general not to be a dumbass in a place that has a clear "no motorized vehicles" sign at the entrance.
In the past month he's taken it to the next level:

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Basically built himself a couple of loops in the trees with some jumps and some massive ruts which are getting deeper every time I see them. Tonight I was out there with kid and dog and I see him roll up with a buddy. Both on Surrons, full face helmets, full kit. I got into it with him and his only argument was that it was a public park and UT doesn't distinguish between classes of e-bikes. So the fuck what? There are plenty of people cruising around the park on e-bikes who I'd never even think of harassing, the motor isn't the point. The city basically allocates $50 a year to its parks, everything is falling apart, they don't need dipshits turning the place into a supercross arena. We're in fucking town, there's one semi-pleasant corner of vegetation within walking distance of the house, and I'm gonna get run over by electric Travis Pastrana? Fuck that noise. I'm gonna go all Karen on his ass and notify the city. Get off my park you little turd!

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Call the cops. Seriously. The surron turds are going to hurt someone.

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It certainly doesn't help that 98% of surron's clientele are douchebags. No responsible person that's just looking for a zippy commuter buys one of those.

That sucks. I was mildly interested in an e moto to ride on my wife's old farm property. A very large neighboring tract of land got closed to motorized (and mountain bikes) so I'm not really interested anymore. The limited riding doesn't justify the expense.

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Originally Posted by riser4

That sucks. I was mildly interested in an e moto to ride on my wife's old farm property. A very large neighboring tract of land got closed to motorized (and mountain bikes) so I'm not really interested anymore. The limited riding doesn't justify the expense.

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What was closed to mt bikes? I haven't heard anything new recently.

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Originally Posted by Boissal

Dipshits on e-dirt bikes piss me off.
I live by a pleasant little neighborhood park, 15 minute paved loop around some wetlands and relatively untamed treed areas, little pavilion with a playground in the middle. It's perfect for dogs to run around, old people to take a stroll, and I've been going there a whole bunch with the baby because it beats driving somewhere to hike or walking around the block. People treat the place relatively well, I pick up trash every couple of weeks and it's never been overwhelming. Recently some kid on a Surron has been rallying around the place, treating like his personal moto playground. He hauls down the paved path, skids all over the place, lays some big drifts in the wood chips of the kids playground, and basically made a mess of the place over the winter with the dirt being super soft. He's scared the shit out of me a couple times cause I'm talking to the baby and keeping an eye on the dog so I don't notice him until he's right on my ass. I've told him to tone it down before he creams an old lady with her walker, and in general not to be a dumbass in a place that has a clear "no motorized vehicles" sign at the entrance.
In the past month he's taken it to the next level:

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Basically built himself a couple of loops in the trees with some jumps and some massive ruts which are getting deeper every time I see them. Tonight I was out there with kid and dog and I see him roll up with a buddy. Both on Surrons, full face helmets, full kit. I got into it with him and his only argument was that it was a public park and UT doesn't distinguish between classes of e-bikes. So the fuck what? There are plenty of people cruising around the park on e-bikes who I'd never even think of harassing, the motor isn't the point. The city basically allocates $50 a year to its parks, everything is falling apart, they don't need dipshits turning the place into a supercross arena. We're in fucking town, there's one semi-pleasant corner of vegetation within walking distance of the house, and I'm gonna get run over by electric Travis Pastrana? Fuck that noise. I'm gonna go all Karen on his ass and notify the city. Get off my park you little turd!

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Just string some fishing line around neck height between those trees?

The Surron problem is what happens when you have apologists saying e bikes are the same as regular bikes and should be allowed on non motorized trails. People are always going to take it a step further.


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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter

Just string some fishing line around neck height between those trees?

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Excellent suggestion. It works well to keep deer away from the garden and flower beds as well. 50# test is my go-to. Unfortunately I forgot to tell my landscaper one time, but it was an honest mistake.

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Originally Posted by gravitylover

What was closed to mt bikes? I haven't heard anything new recently.

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Property in way northern VT at the end of a dirt road up the side of a cool mountain. It's 1000 acres under VT land trust. And abutts my wife's family's property. More details only available IRL. Foot traffic including skis is allowed. Hunting by permission.

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his only argument was that it was a public park and UT doesn't distinguish between classes of e-bikes.

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Can you tell the difference between full moto kit and full airsoft/paintball kit? Cause theres a surprisingly large amount of crossover. Seems like he and his buddy came out to play airsoft/paintball with you in that there park... time to light his ass up.


Make sure to use biodegradable pellets/paintballs. Cause the environment. And don't bring the baby. But for sure bring the dog.

People that don’t respect meetings.

There’s a couple things to this, partly the time itself. When people aren’t on time for meetings it fucks everyone else’s day up. When the leader of the meeting can’t show up on time or has a habit of moving meetings 10 minutes before it’s disrespectful to everyone else who was supposed to be there.

People who bring work into meetings also annoy me. If there’s a meeting it should be meaningful and worth peoples’ time. Bringing your own shit into meetings clicking and typing is blatantly disrespectful. This logic assumes there isn’t a pattern of bullshit meetings.


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People that don’t respect meetings.

There’s a couple things to this, partly the time itself. When people aren’t on time for meetings it fucks everyone else’s day up. When the leader of the meeting can’t show up on time or has a habit of moving meetings 10 minutes before it’s disrespectful to everyone else who was supposed to be there.

People who bring work into meetings also annoy me. If there’s a meeting it should be meaningful and worth peoples’ time. Bringing your own shit into meetings clicking and typing is blatantly disrespectful. This logic assumes there isn’t a pattern of bullshit meetings.


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You must be new to corporate America? :D

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Can you tell the difference between full moto kit and full airsoft/paintball kit? Cause theres a surprisingly large amount of crossover. Seems like he and his buddy came out to play airsoft/paintball with you in that there park... time to light his ass up.


Make sure to use biodegradable pellets/paintballs. Cause the environment. And don't bring the baby. But for sure bring the dog.

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Yeah, maybe this. What in the actual fuck already. There's plenty of places to fuck up with your fucking scooters. Go there, assholes.
And good luck being a nice, calm, rational, person, (if you even can get one to talk to you), to explain why it aint cool. They will always give you some version of: "fuck off".

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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

The Surron problem is what happens when you have apologists saying e bikes are the same as regular bikes and should be allowed on non motorized trails. People are always going to take it a step further.

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You're not wrong. The surron riders are saying the exact same things e-bikers did when they first appeared.

"We're the same as regular bikes. Just look, it has Maxxis tires!"
"This is a Class xx bike, it's allowed everywhere regular bikes are!"
"I'm not damaging the trail at all!"
"We don't ride faster than regular bikes going downhill"
"Fuck you, you can't tell me where to ride!"

The ironic thing is seeing e-bikers get angry at the surron riders for riding where they're not allowed, on trails that the e-bikers aren't allowed on either.

Our culture is centred around privilege rather than responsibility. Getting worse with the latest batch of leaders (both corp and govt). Afraid it’s not going to get better until a calamity bigger than COVID hits.

Didn't someone here bear spray an e-biker one time and post about it?

Parvo maybe?

Anyway, maybe bear spray is the answer.

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Didn't someone here bear spray an e-biker one time and post about it?

Parvo maybe?

Anyway, maybe bear spray is the answer.

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I don’t remember that but it has Parvo written all over it

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Call the cops. Seriously. The surron turds are going to hurt someone.

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As much as I like the bear spray and stringing up wires ideas, or maybe laying down some land mines, calling the cops and the city is the way to go.

Cops in some Socal cities have been cracking down on Surrons on public streets due to public complaints. Here you have photographic evidence of damage they're causing to public property. Call city council, the mayor, the news, and whoever else can influence the cops. Take a page out of the HOHA (hateful old hiker association) playbook and call your congressman. Report them as dirt bikes, not e-bikes, to maximize the outrage.

The ironic thing is seeing e-bikers get angry at the surron riders for riding where they're not allowed, on trails that the e-bikers aren't allowed on either

Yep. What's the difference between Karen on a Trek and Surron guy?

Sucks for the walkers and bike riders.

And "call the cops"? In SLC? Good luck.



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We've mentioned apps that suck before and Accuweather sometimes comes up. I use it since it gives pretty good forecasts by hour/day and you can look more days out than a lot of apps.

But the location searches suck. I recall checking weather for Taos NM last fall when I was nearby and all that came up were locations in China. Really?

For a while it got better and you could pull up more obscure towns near some of the desert areas I visit. Now when I search, half or all of the results are addresses. WTF? God forbid I want to see what the weather will be at one of the nearby OHV areas where the nearest town is Boulevard, CA.

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As much as I like the bear spray and stringing up wires ideas, or maybe laying down some land mines, calling the cops and the city is the way to go.

Cops in some Socal cities have been cracking down on Surrons on public streets due to public complaints. Here you have photographic evidence of damage they're causing to public property. Call city council, the mayor, the news, and whoever else can influence the cops. Take a page out of the HOHA (hateful old hiker association) playbook and call your congressman. Report them as dirt bikes, not e-bikes, to maximize the outrage.

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Stringing a wire down low seems harmless enough and should only lead to a crash but after getting in a fight with an electrical cattle wire a couple years back I've gained a healthy respect for the danger these things pose. Landmines, well, they'd just make bigger holes, although that would be a one and done. But seriously, now that I got in their faces I am not going to do anything sketchy and will just notify the city, although apparently several people have already done so with no results. There are city employees doing work on the playground this week, and they've actually had people out doing gopher control so I can't imagine they'll like seeing a 10" deep and 20' long rut.

Re: public land, I can't wrap my head around the fact that people confuse BLM-style public lands and a public park in a city. Sure, both are public, but the rules are pretty damn different between the 2. It's such a bummer that BLM basically translates to "a piece of land I can trash to my heart's content" in most people's view, and now that attitude is being applied to anything that is not private? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit... I asked the kid who kept repeating he could do whatever he wanted in a public park if he'd do the same in Liberty Park in downtown SLC, or on the grass in front of the state capitol. Both are technically public parks, why not? He didn't get it.

Stringing a wire is not harmless enough, it's a major felony and not something to be joking about.

i remember hearing a story of a wire strung up to snag some dirt bikers and one of them ending up without a head. i wouldn't fuck around with that unless yer prepared to kill someone.

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Stringing a wire is not harmless enough, it's a major felony and not something to be joking about.

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Fine, we’ll use bungee cords

Seems like a good application for some camo'd motion sensitive cams strategically placed, and then forward footage to appropriate authorities.

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Stringing a wire is not harmless enough, it's a major felony and not something to be joking about.

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That's why it's not something I would ever consider. That shit is actually one of my biggest fears when riding. There are people in the upper Cottonwoods who hate bikers and like to drag big sticks into blind corners on trails they think should be closed to bikes (Honeycomb for Wasatch people, although I'm sure there've been others). I've come real close to crashing hard due to one of these, and always wonder if whoever is responsible isn't going to escalate once they realize a stick can be dragged off the trail.
A low wire would be similar, doubt it would decapitate you but it could certainly lead to a mean wreck if it stopped the wheel or caught a pedal/drivetrain. A high wire would be deadly at pretty much any speed. Buddy of mine nearly lost his head to one while longboarding when we were young and dumb. Slid under the full face helmet, collapsed his trachea. It was a cow fence, not something intentional. Scariest thing I've ever seen. There's a recent video floating around of mountain bikers hitting a cow wire on a dirt road, it's heinous. Bodies flopping like ragdolls.

I'm not interested in getting medieval over a rut in the park, I'm just trying not to get run over... Worst I'd do would be to drag a bunch of big branches across where the dudes are riding. Not something they'd miss since there's line of sight, it would just force them to get off the bike and move the branches to keep riding, a minor annoyance.

In case you're worried, I don't have easy access to landmines either.

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I asked the kid who kept repeating he could do whatever he wanted in a public park if he'd do the same in Liberty Park in downtown SLC, or on the grass in front of the state capitol. Both are technically public parks, why not? He didn't get it.

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“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”



If you're still looking for other remedies, Art Shirk and I have always been fans of the "spring gun" solution.

Spike strips buried in the dirt a bit?

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i remember hearing a story of a wire strung up to snag some dirt bikers and one of them ending up without a head. i wouldn't fuck around with that unless yer prepared to kill someone.

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Didn't someone here bear spray an e-biker one time and post about it?

Parvo maybe?

Anyway, maybe bear spray is the answer.

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Heh, I found the thread. It was Parvo who bear sprayed a dude. Great story.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ght=bear+spray

Where is Parvo anyway?

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Where is Parvo anyway?

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He married into money and is probably running errands for her father.

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He married into money and is probably running errands for her father.

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Good for him.

last activity 9 days ago, last post 2+ years ago

So many chapters. Love to see it.

Is MTT still alive? Nothing would surprise me.

last posted a couple of months ago

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trying to transact with fuckers on fb marketplace. my listing says venmo, f&f, or buyer pays paypal fees. guy says he wants my shit. i say, alright, lemme get yer details. details are gotten and i give him a tracking number and my venmo. he says no venmo. fine by me and understandable. here's my paypal, just be sure to add the 4% for the fees. bro says he ain't adding money for fees. we go back and forth. i tell him he ain't getting shit and to lose my number. he gets mad. he gets blocked.

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Seems reasonable

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

He married into money and is probably running errands for her father.

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Pant suit wedding?