Shit that annoys you

So glad they ditched waterproof zippers. Fuck that shit. Never last that long. Hard to zip. And wtf I’m not in a rainforest.

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Originally Posted by Jax

I'm a fan of YKK's Vislon, resin teeth in a bigger gauge. Haven't had any break or skip so far unlike the watertight zips- can't stand those. Don't have to hold jacket taught when zipping with the Vislon style. Water seepage has never been an issue where I live & the watertight ones to me are a PITA as they start to age, the coating dries up and causes zipper to snag.

I have 20+ y/o jackets and fleece tops made in the USA from TNF and Pata that use the Vislon zips- still perfect to this day.

https://www.ykkfastening.com/product...ON(R)+Standard

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Thanks for that. I have a couple Patagonia jackets 30 years old or so that still work great. Here's some zippers from my herd of jackets to see how lame the Outdoor Research zippers are by comparison:

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Are pedestrian crosswalks now the playing fields for a game of chicken between pedestrians and cars?
Around here pedestrians won't even break stride entering crosswalks in order to test the ABS systems of cars.

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Vehicles that stop at non-crosswalks to allow jaywalkers to cross are just as annoying a vehicles that don’t stop at crosswalks for peds waiting…


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That whole trend of hidden/small/water resistant zippers was a huge bunch of bullshit. Just give me something big I can yank hard on, if you know what I'm saying :wink::tdo13::FIREdevil

I'm sure this isn't the case everywhere, but in Washington every intersection is considered a crosswalk unless specifically marked otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Alpinord

$50 +/- repair cost vs $200-$300 ++ replacement costs may at least keep more stuff out of the landfill....or at least less clutter.

The other annoying and hypocritical component is when companies like Outdoor Research play the 'Green & Responsible card', ie:



But then make products with 'planned obsolescence', like zippers that break on garments that could last for decades if cared for properly with little effort. Rather than repairing their crap like Patagonia, they replace them with another garment with the same crappy zipper.

Rather than waiting for the above (3-4 weeks), I did eat my words and ordered a Black Diamond First Light Hybrid. The Black Diamond zippers are in another league compared to Outdoor Research. I still will repair the zipper on the 2nd OR jacket and use it or give it to someone.

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$50 vs $200-300 would be a no brainer to repair. Although it would still be annoying that an expensive piece came with a shitty zipper. But I have a bunch of camping gear (fleece jacket, vest, old backpack, bike hydration pack) that cost a lot less than that and it's close to a wash to replace vs repair. All it would take is a new zipper to keep them alive. The one top loader back pack is 25 yrs old and I still use for trail work a ton, but the top pocket zipper is busted and I've lost a number of small items. Don't want to lose keys/wallet.

Zipper repair - Are we talking about the actual tape ripping or other repairs? Most zipper fixes (sliders breaking, stops popping off, misalignment, etc…) take like 2 min max and you can buy zipper repair kits with replacement pieces for all different types on AMZN for $5.


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The broken zippers I have are missing teeth or the teeth are mangled so the slider gets derailed. Some of them just won't stay together once zipped up. I've tried a bunch of zipper fix tricks and they haven't worked.

Another annoyance. I've been using an old laptop lately while my good one is getting repaired.

The old one has some sort of malware on it that re-directs any google search to Bing. I fucking hate Bing.

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Originally Posted by Jax

I'm a fan of YKK's Vislon, resin teeth in a bigger gauge. Haven't had any break or skip so far unlike the watertight zips- can't stand those. Don't have to hold jacket taught when zipping with the Vislon style. Water seepage has never been an issue where I live & the watertight ones to me are a PITA as they start to age, the coating dries up and causes zipper to snag.

I have 20+ y/o jackets and fleece tops made in the USA from TNF and Pata that use the Vislon zips- still perfect to this day.

https://www.ykkfastening.com/product...ON(R)+Standard

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Yep, those are the best. My wife has both budget and top of the line Big Agnes puffys which both have the Vislon. I saw a coworkers Stio puffy w/ that zipper yesterday...Meanwhile my newest Patagonia puffy is about to need its zipper replaced for a 2nd time. I wanna try to find a local seamstress to put on a Vislon.

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Originally Posted by xyz

Password complexity annoys me. Why do we need 8 characters with symbols, caps etc? Are they really worried someone will crack my code if it’s just a 4 digit PIN?

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Yes. A 4 digit PIN is fairly trivial to crack if somebody is serious, a liability that is untenable to anybody who is at all accountable for security.

Complexity is sorta dumb, though. Password length is not. Turn everything into a passphrase (with spaces) and life gets both easier and more secure.

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Originally Posted by chicken feathers

Yep, those are the best. My wife has both budget and top of the line Big Agnes puffys which both have the Vislon. I saw a coworkers Stio puffy w/ that zipper yesterday...Meanwhile my newest Patagonia puffy is about to need its zipper replaced for a 2nd time. I wanna try to find a local seamstress to put on a Vislon.

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Check out San Juan Sewing below PineNeedle.

I've had mixed experiences with San Juan Sewing. But I did discover Let 'er Rip in Pagosa Springs. A couple of ladies there, doing great work, with very cheap prices. They repair all the Wolf Creek (Wolfy!) gear, too.

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Originally Posted by Alpinord

Check out San Juan Sewing below PineNeedle.

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San Juan Sewing would be a good pass phrase. PineNeedle would be ok too.

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

Yes. A 4 digit PIN is fairly trivial to crack if somebody is serious, a liability that is untenable to anybody who is at all accountable for security.

Complexity is sorta dumb, though. Password length is not. Turn everything into a passphrase (with spaces) and life gets both easier and more secure.

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Are passwords really being hacked or threatened? Are they so threatened I need to change them every 6 months because hackers are closing in on my password? Seems to me the online hacking world is centred around scams. Like romance, Bitcoin and fake Microsoft help desk scammers.

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Originally Posted by xyz

Are passwords really being hacked or threatened? Are they so threatened I need to change them every 6 months because hackers are closing in on my password? Seems to me the online hacking world is centred around scams. Like romance, Bitcoin and fake Microsoft help desk scammers.

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My employer portal has password changes every 90 days…brutal. So ridiculous cuz you end up having to write them down/which defeats the whole purpose of privacy….lol.

IT managers have to keep their jobs so 90 day password changes mean they get a steady stream of laptop unlocks. Add in a few phishing tests and they have work forever.

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Originally Posted by BC.

My employer portal has password changes every 90 days…brutal. So ridiculous cuz you end up having to write them down/which defeats the whole purpose of privacy….lol.

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I'm sure the geeks hate this but just append a consecutive number to a well-worn passphrase. I'm up to like N00n@nrules29 at this point

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Originally Posted by dannynoonan

I'm sure the geeks hate this but just append a consecutive number to a well-worn passphrase. I'm up to like N00n@nrules29 at this point

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That’s what I’ve been doing for over a decade now.

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Originally Posted by xyz

Are passwords really being hacked or threatened? Are they so threatened I need to change them every 6 months because hackers are closing in on my password? Seems to me the online hacking world is centred around scams. Like romance, Bitcoin and fake Microsoft help desk scammers.

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Interestingly, outside of some evidence of password compromise forced password changes reduce the security of a system, on net.

So yes, passwords are threatened and credential compromise is a very real threat. And no, forced password changes are indeed reactive bullshit that is not founded in fact or reason.

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Originally Posted by Alpinord

Thanks for that. I have a couple Patagonia jackets 30 years old or so that still work great. Here's some zippers from my herd of jackets to see how lame the Outdoor Research zippers are by comparison:

Attachment 476388

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You got some purdy teeth.

And 10x on fuck waterproof zippers, and RAB.

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

Interestingly, outside of some evidence of password compromise forced password changes reduce the security of a system, on net.

So yes, passwords are threatened and credential compromise is a very real threat. And no, forced password changes are indeed reactive bullshit that is not founded in fact or reason.

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We have 90 day required changes and it’s such a pain in the ass that we’ve all adopted the same seasonal word choices in order to remember them. I could probably log in to 90% of my coworkers’ accounts if I wanted to.

Eh, the vislon teeth zippers are fine (though particularly the lighter duty ones eventually have problems, and when they do it’s a full zipper replacement rather than just the slider). But coil zips have their place. Sounds like OR (I mostly like their stuff) should have put a beefier zipper on your jacket, oh well.

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Originally Posted by xyz

Are passwords really being hacked or threatened? Are they so threatened I need to change them every 6 months because hackers are closing in on my password? Seems to me the online hacking world is centred around scams. Like romance, Bitcoin and fake Microsoft help desk scammers.

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My understanding is that password issues generally fall into three buckets:
1. The user fell for a scam and gave someone the login info "for support purposes"
2. The user has the same password at multiple sites, from those that have serious security setups and professionals watching for intrusions (eg financial) to the local ski club message board setup by some dude in his spare time ten years ago, shortly before he left for somewhere with better snow; then the low-security site gets hacked and the credentials used elsewhere (but see also 1)
3. The password is truly horrible and easy to guess (password123, VailSucks, etc)

Historically, category 4 was when a site would get compromised and the attackers would then use the captured but encrypted login info to brute force passwords, but modern crypto and password storage should make that impractical for any attack without three-letter-agency support.

Forced changes can reduce the carnage from 1 and 2 by limiting the lifespan of compromised credentials, but using a password manager and having a good passphrase for it that you don't share with anyone, especially fake support reps, is a better solution.

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Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum

My understanding is that password issues generally fall into three buckets:
1. The user fell for a scam and gave someone the login info "for support purposes"
2. The user has the same password at multiple sites, from those that have serious security setups and professionals watching for intrusions (eg financial) to the local ski club message board setup by some dude in his spare time ten years ago, shortly before he left for somewhere with better snow; then the low-security site gets hacked and the credentials used elsewhere (but see also 1)
3. The password is truly horrible and easy to guess (password123, VailSucks, etc)

Historically, category 4 was when a site would get compromised and the attackers would then use the captured but encrypted login info to brute force passwords, but modern crypto and password storage should make that impractical for any attack without three-letter-agency support.

Forced changes can reduce the carnage from 1 and 2 by limiting the lifespan of compromised credentials, but using a password manager and having a good passphrase for it that you don't share with anyone, especially fake support reps, is a better solution.

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Except when your password manager gets cracked. LastPass, I'm looking at you.

Had a piece of Carolina reaper and ghost pepper jerky 90 minutes ago. Posting from the toilet.

Could also be filed under ‘shit that burns’.

Don't forget to wipe your ass with a sno-cone.

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Originally Posted by dannynoonan

I'm sure the geeks hate this but just append a consecutive number to a well-worn passphrase. I'm up to like N00n@nrules29 at this point

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Same password with 2 numbers at the end since I started here in 2006. I'm at 54 now. Plan is to get to 80 and retire.

My employer has a re-use policy checker that will reject minor modifications.

They keep promising biometrics, but ......

I can change my password when it inevitable gets compromised. I can't change my fingerprints. Giving your biometrics or DNA to damn near anyone is just stupid.

Fair point, but should be filed un the Shit that threatens you day to day life. We all came here to be annoyed by changing our passwords by 3 or 4 digits/numbers.

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Originally Posted by dannynoonan

I'm sure the geeks hate this but just append a consecutive number to a well-worn passphrase. I'm up to like N00n@nrules29 at this point

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Yep…

Assholes annoy me.

Wouldn't need passwords, tsa, security cameras, locks, etc etc etc. Fucking assholes

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Originally Posted by riser4

My employer has a re-use policy checker that will reject minor modifications.

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We have that. And a blacklist that includes all known password compromises. And a filter that looks for stupid variations of your name.

Some form of bio/token based continuous identity monitoring is where it ends up. We aren’t there yet so we still have passwords.

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

We have that. And a blacklist that includes all known password compromises. And a filter that looks for stupid variations of your name.

Some form of bio/token based continuous identity monitoring is where it ends up. We aren’t there yet so we still have passwords.

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Piss on the laptop to log in.

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Originally Posted by PB

Fair point, but should be filed un the Shit that threatens you day to day life. We all came here to be annoyed by changing our passwords by 3 or 4 digits/numbers.

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To be fair, this drift started with somebody who wanted to use a 4 digit numerical PIN. Which is silly.

So it is the season for the wrod...not even a top to bottom, but peeps feel they need to stop, and hang out midslope???
Even better the, the ski team kids (hanging out midslope) who NEVER look upslope. Just start out whenever, and proceed to cut you off...

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Yo TurxSki - bit random but I've been seeing your avatar for close to two decades now. (been here longer than my account details would suggest).

When I first started reading this forum I thought it was a perfect example of the general random weirdness TGR can offer. Still do.

Always wondered - is that your cat that you photoshopped human teeth onto? No judgment either way, just always wondered all these years later.

Nobody in Calgary can be bothered to use their fucking turn signals... that are like 3" from their hand.

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