Shit that annoys you

Let's get annoyed at something that really matters. I find Meghan and Harry to be pretty fucking annoying.

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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Fuck those kids, we want to ride our bikes in the evening!

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Well, my kids want to ride bikes in the evening too. I asked them and they said they're willing to risk it for permanent dst. They're very brave children.

I'll take a couple days of discomfort for a couple months of more daylight after work. Hit the sack a little early tonight and won't even notice the time change by Tuesday...I will notice having time for a ride after work in the coming weeks.

We can barely fund the government reliably. You guys think a change with how we keep time is likely enough to debate the pros and cons of it?

My kid had volleyball. Team was too big so they split it midseason and ended up with a good team and a bad team. The good team got better with the season and the bad team just lost all will to even try. My poor kid was on the bad team, and I’m not saying she didn’t belong there, she has my genes. But they never rebalanced the teams and never pulled the bad team out of the dumps, and it was painful to watch and made for a pretty sad experience to watch for my kid. Maybe it’s character building but I’m not really sure that’s what it was.

On the flip side, I’m back home after today’s tournament and the good team parents are all still hanging out in a middle school gym, so….

Many also have the choice to not change their normal routines relative to what it says on the clock.

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Originally Posted by toast2266

Well, my kids want to ride bikes in the evening too. I asked them and they said they're willing to risk it for permanent dst. They're very brave children.

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Again, I think safety concerns backed by statistics trump recreational opportunities. You live in Kalispell? It’ll still be light until almost 2100 in June on MST.


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Originally Posted by Flounder

The only issue with year round daylight saving time is how dark it is for schools.

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The parents who are complaining about this would never let their kids walk to school to begin with. So they can STFU.

My junior high school started at 8am, so in winter the walk to school was pitch dark for a couple months. No one cared about that (an no kids died), but everyone hated having to get up an hour earlier.

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Originally Posted by Flounder

The current system of changing back and forth seems to piss everyone off the so it’s probably the best compromise. I used to bitch about it but the alternatives all have issues.

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Yeah, it's like Churchill's famous quote that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other forms of government that have been tried. Switching the clocks twice per year sucks, but it's better than either permanent standard time or permanent daylight time. The original premise is shockingly still valid: move the clocks forward an hour in the spring to better align sunlight with the time the most people are active. Move it back in the fall so it doesn't stay dark for too long in the morning.

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Originally Posted by climberevan

Yeah, why wouldn't they just lock it in at standard time?

Oh, right--it's about the money. It's always about the fucking money.

"And the biggest argument for this approach may be an economic one. The idea is that having more light in the evenings encourages people to go out and do things — i.e., spend money.

The nation's convenience stores, for example, told a congressional subcommittee that they see an uptick in spending when clocks are set to daylight saving." from NPR

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Back in my restaurant workin days, we had the opposite experience. We saw a definite decline in biz when daylight savings kicked in. People didn’t want to go out to 5 or 530 dinners while it was still light out. During the winter, those tables were booked solid

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Originally Posted by evdog

The parents who are complaining about this would never let their kids walk to school to begin with. So they can STFU.

My junior high school started at 8am, so in winter the walk to school was pitch dark for a couple months. No one cared about that (an no kids died), but everyone hated having to get up an hour earlier.

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I seem to recall that a big part of the issue is kids waiting for the bus getting hit by people driving to work.

Personally, I think splitting the difference makes sense, but that you should redraw time zones to better reflect the "ideal" permanent time. There's a damn big difference between permanent DST and standard time on the east and west ends of the time zone.

what we need are 48 time zones. problem solved.

Somehow or other this country managed to thrive without DST until WWII, when it was instituted so that people would use less electricity for lighting in the evening.. Up to then the idea that the days are longer in the summer and shorter in the winter was somehow dealt with. Anyway, my gripe is not so much about DST as that the ski areas for the most part don't adjust their hours to adapt to conditions. And I wouldn't mind not having to stay up until 10 on July 4th to watch the Donner Lake fireworks.

I lived for a year in AZ. I never heard anyone complain that they didn't have DST. Of course in Tucson outdoor recreation in the summer was before work, not after.

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Originally Posted by evdog

The parents who are complaining about this would never let their kids walk to school to begin with. So they can STFU.

My junior high school started at 8am, so in winter the walk to school was pitch dark for a couple months. No one cared about that (an no kids died), but everyone hated having to get up an hour earlier.

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So your anecdotal experience is more valid than facts that show switching time and DST causes more accidents, errors and lost money? What a selfish shitty take on the topic


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Seems like DST vs standard time needs to become the defining issue of the 2024 presidential election.

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Originally Posted by old goat

Somehow or other this country managed to thrive without DST until WWII, when it was instituted so that people would use less electricity for lighting in the evening.. Up to then the idea that the days are longer in the summer and shorter in the winter was somehow dealt with. Anyway, my gripe is not so much about DST as that the ski areas for the most part don't adjust their hours to adapt to conditions. And I wouldn't mind not having to stay up until 10 on July 4th to watch the Donner Lake fireworks.

I lived for a year in AZ. I never heard anyone complain that they didn't have DST. Of course in Tucson outdoor recreation in the summer was before work, not after.

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Try waiting until 1100 for it to be dark enough for fireworks just south of 49


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“…it’s mostly the morning crowd that would benefit from abolishing DST”

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^yellow showing where DST time changes are done

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^most of Arizona does not observe DST

Many schools in my area have just gone through an adjustment to make HS start times later to accommodate the sleep science which says waking up teenagers to go to school in the dark is a bad idea. So my assumption is that they will response to permanent DST by just moving the school start time later thus negating at least some of the afternoon/evening recreation in the light thing anyways.

Living just south of the 49th and at the far western end of a time zone, I vividly remember kick ball games in the street until 11pm as a preteen.

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

Living just south of the 49th and at the far western end of a time zone, I vividly remember kick ball games in the street until 11pm as a preteen.

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Yeah, one of my earliest memories was being told to go to bed and then my dad would go out and mow at 9pm


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Wow, I was all hung up on the science, but here are two other great reasons the sun should go down early. :)

It’s not a reason to abolish DST but there is data that supports abolishing it


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Originally Posted by bennymac

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What kind of psychopath decided a 6pm cutoff is reasonable for sunsets?

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Originally Posted by old goat

Anyway, my gripe is not so much about DST as that the ski areas for the most part don't adjust their hours to adapt to conditions.

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After DST kicked in Telluride used to open a 10AM & shut down 4:30-5pm, but stopped doing it because it affected the worker's schedule relative to their partner's and kid's schedules, among other conflicts.

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Originally Posted by Flounder

I lived for a year in AZ. I never heard anyone complain that they didn't have DST. Of course in Tucson outdoor recreation in the summer was before work, not after.

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Well, it doesn't matter as much at 32 degrees north as it does at 47 degrees.