WTB: ~0 deg. backpacking sleeping bag

Title pretty much says it all. Looking to add yet another bag to my quiver for backpacking. I have a BA 20deg that's great and all but I feel like that bag runs a bit cold, so I'm looking for something in the 0 deg to 15 deg range that's a furnace. I end up sleeping in ~2 layers of long underwear (top/bottom) and was still cold when temps hit ~38 the other night. I upgraded my pad to a higher R, but think a colder bag would be the icing on the cake. i've got some access to some pro deals, just seeing if anyone is cleaning out the closet first.

Down, sub 3 lbs if possible.
Reg length, left zip

Have you considered adding a thermo liner or a higher R value pad? If your local to SLC, feel free to swing by and try some stuff out.

Yeah, I just bought a new pad, going from R 3.1 to 4.8, so that should help a lot. I used my girlfriends silk liner on the night i was cold, however, that doesn't really add much. I might pick up one of those SeatoSummit Reactors, but, I also may order an enlightened equipt. 0 quilt because im a sucker for new stuff. :FIREdevil

I have a reactor if you want to give it whirl ...

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Originally Posted by Phall

Yeah, I just bought a new pad, going from R 3.1 to 4.8, so that should help a lot. I used my girlfriends silk liner on the night i was cold, however, that doesn't really add much. I might pick up one of those SeatoSummit Reactors, but, I also may order an enlightened equipt. 0 quilt because im a sucker for new stuff. :FIREdevil

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I’m a cold sleeper when camping and I can’t quite wrap my head around using a quilt. It seems like any kind of draft in cold temps would ruin my sleep. Like rolling over or something that would reposition the quilt and possibly replace a ton of warm air with cold air. Even at 35 degrees I have to have a draft collar around my shoulders so I don’t have that cold air leaking down into the bag.

As far as temp ratings, my Marmot bag is the most accurate of any that I’ve used previously (never used a ‘premium’ brand like WM). I’ve used the Helium, which is rated to 15 degrees, down to lower teens and slept comfortably.

I've got a few friends pointing me to quilts, they rave about them, but I'm not sure I "Get it"

Have a WM ultralite (20°F) that I feel could easily be used in colder temps with a variety of techniques. 99% of the time I sleep in just regular underwear and have to keep it unzipped if temps are above freezing. The pad I use has an R value of 2.4.

Never given it much thought, but don’t think I’d classify myself as a “cold sleeper”. Sometimes get chilly feet but think that’s more of a circulation issue.

I use a Hammock Gear Economy Burrow (quilt) and a Thermarest Z-Lite and it's great down to 25. I'm in tights, base layer, and a jacket (light down) plus warm socks and a beanie. Sans quilt, I'd be comfortable in the clothing down to 50 degrees probably. Between 20 and 25, I add another jacket but feel like the michelin man.

IDK if I would "rave" about quilts. I got one just because it makes sense - you don't get any insulation from lying on top of compressed down, so why have it? Sleeping bags seem more convenient when you're in them (you have to pull the sides of the quilt under you to keep heat in, for example), but sleeping bags are less convenient when you're not in them. So that's the trade off.

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Originally Posted by CirqueScaler

- you don't get any insulation from lying on top of compressed down, so why have it?

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Because I roll around, a lot, when camping.

I roll around a bunch and like to move my legs which is exactly why I love my 20-degree EE revelation quilt. When it’s not terribly cold (say average summer night at higher elevations) I just use it like a blanket.

When it dips below freezing you can cinch up the toe box so that it works like a bag and it’s got two tiny straps that pull the sides under a sleeping pad so that it functions mostly like a bag. It’s still easy to roll around since it’s fixed to the pad.

I’ve camped on snow with it on nights in the low 20s (with a WM hotsac liner and an xtherm pad) and been nice and warm.

Awesome piece of kit, incredibly lightweight. Doesn’t cost a ton either.

Ah okay. I don't really roll around when I sleep. Like I said, I don't "rave" about quilts, but it makes sense for me to have one.

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it’s got two tiny straps that pull the sides under a sleeping pad so that it functions mostly like a bag.

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This too ^^ I don't have a pad attachment kit but they seem useful.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

I’m a cold sleeper when camping and I can’t quite wrap my head around using a quilt. It seems like any kind of draft in cold temps would ruin my sleep. Like rolling over or something that would reposition the quilt and possibly replace a ton of warm air with cold air. Even at 35 degrees I have to have a draft collar around my shoulders so I don’t have that cold air leaking down into the bag.

As far as temp ratings, my Marmot bag is the most accurate of any that I’ve used previously (never used a ‘premium’ brand like WM). I’ve used the Helium, which is rated to 15 degrees, down to lower teens and slept comfortably.

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same experience with Helium - i freakin LOVE that thing.

i've got a Ember 20 degree quilt and used it one night. haven't been able to dial in the experience yet with it, but damn it's light as hell and could certainly be right for some people. the main issue i have with the quilt is it does not have a hood (obviously, due to quilt design, right?) . i LOVE having a hood on my sleeping bags tho. jury is out on the quilt.

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Originally Posted by jmedslc

same experience with Helium - i freakin LOVE that thing.

i've got a Ember 20 degree quilt and used it one night. haven't been able to dial in the experience yet with it, but damn it's light as hell and could certainly be right for some people. the main issue i have with the quilt is it does not have a hood (obviously, due to quilt design, right?) . i LOVE having a hood on my sleeping bags tho. jury is out on the quilt.

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If you got the regular length, the Sea To Summit quilts are significantly narrower than most of the competition and can be more challenging to use for that reason