Drilled and ready for bindings... Surprised by the amount of camber, the most of any of my skis (wife and her bff’s skis included).
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Drilled and ready for bindings... Surprised by the amount of camber, the most of any of my skis (wife and her bff’s skis included).
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Fuck yeah Moment!! Thats a hell of a suprise!
aren't they stiffer than wildcats? Even stiffer than meridian? I feel like stiff powder specific skis are... overkill? Probably I'm wrong and definitely not on the same level of skiing as Carston to enjoy benefits of a stiff wide full rocker ski, but from my POV powder specific rockered ski should be softer, because you don't need that stiffness cruising, buttering, jumping in powder or on little bit chopped powder. Soft skis will also be more friendly, allow you to float better. Like a ski for catskiing, powder touring, snowmobile assisted, etc. Like a touch softer, 124 waist wildcat or deathwish (not to go as crazy as ghost chant)? I realize that ski loses some versatility and that >120 waist skis are not selling that great... But that would be awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melee
Well at 5'10", 190#, I've never had tip dive with 190 biby's, mounted on the mark. And they are plenty quick/maneuverable in tight trees, etc. Favorite powder ski to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW-skier78
Last lift day of last season was ~24"(+, maybe) of not-that-light (but not wet or even cream-cheesey) pow. And while the bibby's stayed afloat, no probs at all...I did wish I was going faster in some spots (seemed a little bogged down vs my buddy's bubbas). But this season I have Protests for those days, woohoo!
Those bananas do sound sweet though (but I wonder how quick they might or might not be, in the tight spots).
Those Chipotles are so rad looking. I love the large turn radius/reverse camber combo.
Is anyone skiing the 193 yet?
Maybe me in a few months...
Thanks for the feedback. I may have to give the 190 a shot. I do like the idea of having more ski in front of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by skizix
Buy a Line. Slow, jibby butters are their bread and butter.Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
Full reverse camber and stiff flex is an entirely different sport that these builders are trying to identify.
Super soft fat powder skis are fun but they have a speed limit and tend to buck you when things get skied out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
We find the stiffer profile gives the ski a lot more versatility. Also, the Ghost Chant and Chipotle Banana have the same core profile. The Banana just has Ash stringers instead of Pine which make the ski a little more damp and slightly heavier....yes, the denser wood stringers stiffness up the ski but not by much. Stiffness is really defined by the core profile and composite choices.
Just because they are on the stiffer side doesn't mean you need to be Cartson Oliver to enjoy them...but you have to admit, Carston makes them look good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dbaiTC2KKI
Some guys even tour on the Banana:
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You can still do butters:
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And guys that only weight 150lbs can have fun on them:
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Bad form on a dedicated Moment thread CrapQuote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
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Yeah but that guy's responding to someone bitching about a stiff full rockered ski in the middle of banana stoke. Also, the night train was exactly what that dude was asking about, and yeah, too soft for inbounds chop (at my skill level atleast)Quote:
Originally Posted by 3PinGrin
Luke - since core profiles are something the public rarely gets insight into - what would the main differences between the core profile of the chipotle and the meridian be? You mention the chipotle and ghost chant share a core profile, and the chipotle shares the ash stringers of the meridian (and wildcat 108, I believe?)
Core profile is the thickness throughout the length of the core. The thicker it is the stiffer the core will be. That being said you dont really put a lot of focus on how stiff the actual core is, its main purpose is moving the composites farther apart or closer together to define flex. You can further refine flex by changing what composites are on the top and bottom of the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
The core profile on the Meridian, Ghost TRAIN (not chant) and Chipotle Banana are all the same core. Note that the Chipotle Banana is going to be stiffer than the Meridian because its wider (width is also another factor).
We have a few main core material combinations here at Moment. The Chipotle Banana has full length wood laminates of Aspen and Ash stringers. That being said just because another ski may share those materials does not mean its the same profile.
I tried to keep this as simple as possible...hope this makes sense.
Thanks, melee. Always enlightening and definitely makes sense.
The more detail you go into, the more it makes sense how you've structured the line and keep playing around with reserve shapes, materials etc. Try to keep things clear for consumers, still mess around with interesting shapes etc
The added detail fuels my passion for making under-informed conclusions about combinations of materials, shapes etc for hypothetical skis. Chipotle Banana shape, meridian tour layup. Call it the Chipotle Boomerang cus it's the tour version - out and back
We already made a few of these last year!Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
Low Carb Chipotle Banana :D it's my resort / touring pow ski. I think the pair came in at around 8 lbs...? Went with a crazy lightweight layup.Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
Goddamn you guys deliver. hot pocket did you go 186 or 193 on the low carb? I'm interested pretty much solely for touring would mount with a pin binder
and of course i just agreed to buy some praxis... god bless the northern nevada ski industry though fkna
Went with the 186. I'm 6'2 but only about 150lbs, so the 186 is plenty of ski for me. Plus we made the low carbs back around January, way before the decision to offer a 193 Banana.Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
If anyone is following this stoke from the ice coast, there’s some 184 Bibbys sitting at IME in North Conway waiting for a home. I’m just passing through on my way into them hills.... Looked like one big core shot that was well repaired and two mounts. Caveat emptor yadda yadda. Attachment 291416Attachment 291417Attachment 291418
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Yeah, just skimmed it so didn't get the full context, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by sruffian
What year are those from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Abol98
2012Quote:
Originally Posted by m19ab1
Those are the OG bibby shape, not the more powder oriented version they made for a few years. A few hundred grams heavier than current Bibby/Wildcat.
I have them; love them, feel light. Would go one back.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
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This may be a bad data point because I don't have the 2012, but I do have both the 2013 model and the 2017 model and the weight difference is negligible: within 50g.
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My kiddo’s Carson’s
My DeathWish’s
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