Right, that's why I tried to short circuit the usual claim about Nazis or Stalin.
How did you choose your flavor of religious belief ice? What was the process of elimination of all the other flavors?
It always seems silly to equate the belief in the unproven and unprovable with a lack of believe in the unproven and unprovable.
Especially since in the overwhelming majority of the religious it's based on some level of childhood indoctrination and cultural, societal acceptance.
None of those instances are explicitly atheist, so those are bullshit examples, likely populated by religious types.
You're confusing knowing with believing.Quote:
I'm saying that it cannot be used as an excuse for hating on 'religion'.
This topic is depressing me.
Re: Agnostics believe that the nature of god, including the existence thereof, is unknowable.
How do they know that?
@ PNWB: IN matters of faith and existence I only believe that we have no fucking idea what's going on. I do, however, believe that religiously.
I doubt that. With the decline of religious types, the evidence more likely points to them being Sentient Beings with no religious affiliation.
In any case, your 'religious types' probably includes anyone that ever looked up and wondered about the universe.
Re: You're confusing knowing with believing.
No I'm not. Swap words and then come at it again.
Killing of children. Bury me at Wounded Knee. I don't know if they were Christian but it would be a good guess. . Pretty sure they weren't Jews. Atheists? Catholics? Maybe. Army was a job of last resort back then. My point is that the killing of children is a common human ability. Human Nature and it's ability to be inhumane is a bitch but it's better to acknowledge it. I am always surprised that people are surprised.
Now you're just making shit up to fit your narrative. Poor form.
No, I'm talking about clowns like you.Quote:
In any case, your 'religious types' probably includes anyone that ever looked up and wondered about the universe.
May I suggest some more epistemological exercises before you confuse believing with knowing.Quote:
Re: You're confusing knowing with believing.
No I'm not. Swap words and then come at it again.
I think we need to parse this into two categories:
(A) People that claim to have a belief and learned something to hang their hat on. I call them BELIEVERS of whatever (not religious exclusively but have some substance to their belief). So then, self-identified ATHIESTS and/or AGNOSTICS are in fact believers. That also doesn't place all belief on the same level - because belief can also be evaluated for rationality and evidence too.
(B) People that claim to have no belief but claim to be in the process of learning. These, politically, would be identified as 'undecided'.
I'm willing to go with Dr. Johnson and agree that if i kick a rock it will hurt.
In this model we seem to inhabit.
At this stage of life, I realize I'm not any good at thinking. But I still try.
exactly ^^ thats why i can't believe in god
but i can believe shit will go on sale
so always hold out for 40% off MRSP
I've been waiting for one of the Keebler elves to hop out of one of those boxes.
Until that happens, I'm a non believer. And an agnostic.