XXX and the Church of the Aquaseal.
At least it’s got something factual I can believe in.
Edit to add: Who’s making the T-shirt?
XXX and the Church of the Aquaseal.
At least it’s got something factual I can believe in.
Edit to add: Who’s making the T-shirt?
actualy if yer all into the hwole brevity thing I've always been the dude since highschool
but its not like i'm gona sue the Cohen bros cuz the dude abides
Aquaseal ties the room together.
You guys sound exactly like the zealots. Some religious beliefs can be dismissed as provably wrong--that the world was created in 6 days or that earth is the center of the universe, but the idea that there is some kind of self-aware cosmic intelligence that created the world--which is what a lot of people believe these days (I don't) is not provably wrong (or right). Same with the belief in an afterlife (which I don't believe in) because none of us have died to find out. A belief that there is no god or no afterlife is certainly realistic but not provable. A lot of intellectual arrogance here.
What can be asserted without evidence yes--what is believed without evidence no. Hitchens' attacks on religion are of a kind with religions' attacks on other religions and on heresy.
I'll see your Hitchens' Razor and raise you one Pascal's Wager.
So the standard is provably wrong.... That's little better than the ducking stool.
Who gets to decide what is provable?Quote:
A lot of intellectual arrogance here.
The homeless guy on 2nd and Pine arguing with a lamppost believes it's talking back to him....Quote:
what is believed without evidence no.
No. Not at all on a par with claiming your own sky fairies superiority.. sky fairies are all equally baseless in reality and unproven. and nowhere near on par as attacking disbelief in them.Quote:
Hitchens' attacks on religion are of a kind with religions' attacks on other religions and on heresy.
The issue is not that there is a belief of no god, but no belief in a god. Of course it's not provable. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the irony.
Pascals wager assumes there is one god. What if there's a bunch or that one chose the wrong, heretical one?Quote:
What can be asserted without evidence yes--what is believed without evidence no. Hitchens' attacks on religion are of a kind with religions' attacks on other religions and on heresy.
I'll see your Hitchens' Razor and raise you one Pascal's Wager.
Once one passes into the domain of belief, logic has no purchase, as evidenced.
That lamppost is a fucking asshole.
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Over the years I have come to a few conclusions on this.
Nothing I say or do will make a lick of difference to most people (my kid is the exception and I actually swayed my college roommate to not believe in gods)
The confusion of being raised Roman Catholic with a scientific rational mind, being taught science in school but the opposite at church and bible study confused me, that confusion turned to anger and I began using drugs, fighting, vandalizing, and theft. Due to this I was sent to Catholic School and to Bible Camp (4 weeks intensive West Virginia woods camp) and evening Bible Study groups. At one point in my life I went to service 3 times a week and never believed in any of it the whole time and it just pissed me off more. In hindsight I realize this was lazy parenting “my kid’s fucked, maybe god will save him” so I was pawned off to the priests. In my late teens and early 20’s I would get drunk and smack bibles out of the street preachers hands and banish them to hell with my pointer finger in Indiana PA.
Fast forward to today, I mostly gave up the fight, the systemic pedophilia and subsequent cover-ups has really struck a nerve now that I have a 4yr old and has reopened some old anger.
Believe it or not I wish I had faith and believed in gods (any god really), life would be so nice and comforting, knowing when I die I will be with loved ones and there is always someone watching over me, helping me along through life. My fellow lemmings would be friendly, I’d go to church events and activities, make friends, pray, be happy. My brain just won’t allow me to believe in bullshit unfortunately.
Now it pisses me off that I am somehow the outcast in most places for not having faith in anything. I seriously feel like I’m taking crazy pills most days. Luckily I live in a progressive area with educated people, god help me if I lived in Charlotte or Salt Lake City.
People have the right to believe in whatever they want, not worth the stress anymore. I’m really hoping for some aliens to arrive or to find life elsewhere but in reality the religions will just use that as “another example of god’s awesome power”
Fuck it.
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Mars rover's large methane discovery excites scientists
Curiosity’s record-breaking measurement fuels speculation it is from microbial Martians
^ looking increasingly likely to be not non believable.
Certainly more believable than the Loch Ness Monster.
Great, god’s farts have been discovered.
Praise him!
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Rich Preacher Thinks Poor People Are "Demons" :nonono2::nonono2::nonono2::nonono2:
But he's not wrong. It does contribute to the structural integrity. Probably.
It's not worth the time to argue with believers man. You see it, I see it, Buster sees it. Beyond that it's good luck with that stuff fellas I guess.
It's a bigger question than is required for daily existence, so I get it. But I don't.
Did he say he was an atheist? I didn't see that part.
i did not
Yeah I know.
What wyeaster said was that nobody knows shit. I’m sure I know that unicorns don’t exist.
i guess you are an aunicornist
Maybe a hyphen would help that.
All this believe and not believe in stories that began several millennia ago. What defined a ‘god’ then, and what defines one now? Our current tech allows us to do much what was attributed to god(s) a couple thousand years ago. We can describe abstract concepts of the universe using math and have proven some of it using the scientific method. And we are still learning, at ever increasing rates. So what exactly is god, today, if I were to meet it/them on the street? Would I even be able to recognize it/them for what it/they are? Is it a state of consciousness, an ability to manifest that consciousness in more than one point in space and time? Or...?
And does it even matter.
Never mind, my daughter is having bad dreams. Need to go and reassure her. What fable should I use this time I wonder...