2012/2013 ON3P SIA Photos and Discussion

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Originally Posted by Trapp

What the fuck are those things?

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Originally Posted by Bird Blaster

WTF...april fools joke?

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Originally Posted by Flotsam

Looks like some wild stuff, can't wait to hear whats going on with that oar. Anyone else think those tips look like the might be convex?

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Oar are not an April Fools joke, just a concept ski that Rowen has been wanting to build. His explaination can be read here - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater.

They do have subtle base convexity in the tips and tails which was a prelude to everything we have been working on for...

the new 12/13 Pillowfight.

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It remains totally flat for most of the running length, so still gives you are 100cm of flat, stable, and carveable sidecut underfoot.

Then the convexity drastically jumps up right past the end of the sidecut and progressively decreases as you approach the tips, which is pretty close to flat again (in both tip and tail, with the convexity being more intense in the tips). There remains a flat section that runs the full length of the ski.

Then in the tail, we've added some camber to the rockered section which results in a super poppy tail that is a ton of fun (this was actually featured in the first pillowfights we ever prototyped as well).

Super, super excited to now have the capability to start pressing skis this way. We are still working on making it manageable to finish and bring everything up to speed from a production vs prototyping standpoint.

This isn't a final design, either, just for clarification purposes. We still have a lot of prototyping and design to work on, so right now our fingers are crossed that it is going to keep snowing in the PNW for awhile longer. Looks like it for at least the immediate future.

^ That's party Iggy. Nice regarding the implemented changes and I like the concept OAR too. Do the topsheets have any issues holding up with that snow saucer convex shape shown in your first pic?

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Originally Posted by klauss

^ That's party Iggy. Nice regarding the implemented changes and I like the concept OAR too. Do the topsheets have any issues holding up with that snow saucer convex shape shown in your first pic?

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You mean as far as topsheet chipping and such? If so, everyone here isn't probably the best gauge for that. We don't ski a lot of park and actually know how to ski with our feet apart.

Well yeah. Top sheet chipping. I have been known to chunk the shit out of my topsheets as I am kind of sloth like, but ON3P has held up very well in that regard. Just was looking at the image and how it has a peak and would think these might be more prone to chunking.

Not a big concern.

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Originally Posted by klauss

Well yeah. Top sheet chipping. I have been known to chunk the shit out of my topsheets as I am kind of sloth like, but ON3P has held up very well in that regard. Just was looking at the image and how it has a peak and would think these might be more prone to chunking.

Not a big concern.

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Ask me at the end of April and I will have a lot more to tell you about them. If we find they have chipping issues it will be something we address for sure.

BTW if you want to ski these, stop by the new factory sometime. They will be available to demo (12/13 191cm BG, too).

I'm as curious now as I was disgusted yesterday.

The central east side is so far away for my domesticated ass:biggrin:. I'll get there.

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Originally Posted by PhiberAwptik

I'm as curious now as I was disgusted yesterday.

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Sam sneak-shit at the factory again (at least in the factory vs office). Got someone this time, though.

A few more photos of the PFs...
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...r/IMG_3857.jpg

Tips
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Underfoot - Totally flat
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Tails
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We are going to decrease the tail rocker a bit from what you see above and enhance the camber in the rockered tail section.

Those new PF's look super cool! And twisted

New PFs look fantastic, a more logical step for most buyers than the spoon, not to say that ski doesn't have a place too. Would be cool to see more progressive transitions: from flat profile to rocker, flat base to convex. Also, is the thinking behind the seemingly trapezoidal/non elliptical convexity to give more ski surface area that can be conventionally maintained?

Also, anymore updates on the BG tours? can't seem to find weights or reviews beyond 230g lighter than stock BGs Are these going to be a little poppier and lose a little dampening like most increased carbon versions?

Damn, my Pillow Fights just showed up on Monday! I guess you weren't ready to let the cat out of the bag yet when I asked about changes in next year's model.

TexGTX-

I don't think that the design has been finalized in anyway shape or form.

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Originally Posted by XavierD

TexGTX-

I don't think that the design has been finalized in anyway shape or form.

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Bingo...but still exciting to think of skiing this new proto in 3 feet of blower...ahhhh, dreams of next season.

As far as the BG tours, does the new camber profile lend itself to a good amount of grip for going uphill? There is still quite a bit of ski off of the snow under skinning conditions correct?

Interesting how that ski came together, and what Scott had to do to make that proto. You would be surprised how much effort went in to it. I was skeptical when I saw it being done, but i'm pretty damn impressed.

Gotcha. I was just told that they would be largely unchanged next year before I ordered. I hate buying "outdated" gear at near full price. Oh well, a new design isn't going to change the pair I already have and they look good to me.

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Originally Posted by TexasGortex

Gotcha. I was just told that they would be largely unchanged next year before I ordered. I hate buying "outdated" gear at near full price. Oh well, a new design isn't going to change the pair I already have and they look good to me.

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Don't you worry about that. They are crazy fun in soft snow.

That definitely look like they will be. I'm dying to try them out. The more I stare at them the more I notice subtle design aspects that convince me these things are going to be a riot.

Think I've settled on -2 for mounting (per the advice of the guys at ON3P for me). I'm not used to buying a such an exclusive ski... When I bought my S7s I'm pretty sure there were about 800 separate threads debating mounting points.

TX,

I mount all my ON3Ps exactly where Scott tells me to, I think he picked those points for a reason as they have a tenancy to ski very well at those points. I know there is a fare amount of thought that goes into the mount position on the BG, with many of the properties designed off of the intended mount position.

Meaning him personally or on the line? I'm inclined to trust what he told me on the phone, though I do respect all the design work. I've been standing on them a lot trying to feel for it. Ever since mounting points starting creeping forward, I've found myself extra sensitive to them. Perhaps I'm just too old and stubborn to truly embrace being that far forward. I've never been much of one for the back seat.

According to NPR its international pillow fight day. I sure skied mine.
link to npr article
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...ross-the-globe

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Super sick. When is the preorder? Put me down for a pair of 186 12/13 BG's with those sheets.

Goddamn. I need a new pair of 191 Caylors. Wood topsheets, please.

damn good looking skis.

Gorgeous! I like the driftwood/ old barn house texture. Much richer than the other polished car interior shiny topsheets that some other companies are producing. Classy.

Wow those topsheets look slick !

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Originally Posted by Bird Blaster

Wow those topsheets look slick !

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This! What an amazing toppy.

Dammit, now I want a 191 BG tour with those topsheets. Why are you making me need more skis, Scott?

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

Dammit, now I want a 191 BG tour with those topsheets.

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Me too! have any BG tours been ridden yet?

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

Why are you making me need more skis, Scott?

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That's his job and he's very good at it! Don't worry he's got the rest of us as well.

I am not going to buy new skis next season. Nope.Njet.

But those topsheets...wow.

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Originally Posted by Tutuko

Also, anymore updates on the BG tours? can't seem to find weights or reviews beyond 230g lighter than stock BGs Are these going to be a little poppier and lose a little dampening like most increased carbon versions?

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I have no idea on weights. I would say that your description of attributes seems about right. Unfortunately I was not able to ski the same ski in both the tour and normal constructions, but I did ski the 191 BillyGoat Tour and the 191 Wrenegade (both 12/13 models) back to back. There were obvious differences in the shape and stiffness of the two skis in how they performed, but I would definitely say that describing the Tour layup as slightly more poppy and less damp is accurate. It is subtle though and I would say that you probably wouldn't notice a ton of difference when comparing the exact same ski in the two different layups. In other words, those two skis that I tried were similar in a lot of ways, and the differences between the two definitely were much more related to the shape than to the layup. Hope that's more helpful than confusing.

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^designed for never ending faceshots....? Permanent tip flex/rise with those ramps?

For clarification, those are the tails. Just having some fun building crazy ideas.

awesome.

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Originally Posted by Meathelmet

I am not going to buy new skis next season. Nope.Njet.

But those topsheets...wow.

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X2. Those topsheets look really classy.

So when do next years skis go up on the website?

Love the way my Caylors ski when it's soft and deep, and I've never heard a ski so frequently described as beautiful. The construction, finish and graphics are fantastic. Can't wait to add another pair of ON3P's to the quiver.