Bindings, what do you set yours at?

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10-02-2005, 08:08 PM
Nate Dogg

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Originally Posted by altagirl

Nope. I ski with my bindings set at manufacturers recommendations. And still blew out a knee skiing about 6 years ago. My other (recent) blown knee was mountain biking, on flat pedals no less. I'm talented.

I've read studies that said you could still tear an ACL if your bindings were set at the lowest possible settings. It doesn't take much force at all, and I know when I blew my knee skiing it wasn't a motion that would have made my bindings even try to release - my foot stayed still and I fell backwards and to the side (in bumps). My lesson learned out of the whole thing was to quit pushing myself when I'm too tired and sore - that's when I'm going to get hurt. My DIN setting was where it was supposed to be and I don't believe it would have made any difference if it was set lower or higher.

I'll second that, my DIN is set a manuf. reccomendation and I tweaked my ACL (fortunately nothing serious) in a backward twisting fall. There is no way I would have released unless it were absurdly loose, and even then it is unlikely. With anymore force put on my knee I'd likely have joined the gimp crew...I suspect DIN is not a major factor in quite a few acl injuries
10-02-2005, 09:02 PM
wanghoeby

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Originally Posted by altagirl

Nope. I ski with my bindings set at manufacturers recommendations. And still blew out a knee skiing about 6 years ago. My other (recent) blown knee was mountain biking, on flat pedals no less. I'm talented.

I've read studies that said you could still tear an ACL if your bindings were set at the lowest possible settings. It doesn't take much force at all, and I know when I blew my knee skiing it wasn't a motion that would have made my bindings even try to release - my foot stayed still and I fell backwards and to the side (in bumps). My lesson learned out of the whole thing was to quit pushing myself when I'm too tired and sore - that's when I'm going to get hurt. My DIN setting was where it was supposed to be and I don't believe it would have made any difference if it was set lower or higher.

I just got hooked up here at the university with a biomedical internship with some professors. Sounds like this year we will be continuing their research on the how the ACL tears. We use really expensive 3-D motion capturing cameras(20K each) and all sorts of complicated programs, so I haven't gotten even close to up to date with the rest of the group and/or the comprehension of the data. If we make anybreak thoughs or we find something interesting I'll let you guys know. From the posters they made last year, it looked like fatigue might play a fair sized role in it. Generally it's up in the air though, hence the research. :D
10-02-2005, 09:38 PM
iceman

Pretty much gospel: If you keep your hands in front of you, you won't tear your ACL.

The trick is doing it. Not quite as easy as it sounds.
10-02-2005, 09:44 PM
basom

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Originally Posted by iceman

Pretty much gospel: If you keep your hands in front of you, you won't tear your ACL.

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/G...39996_6168.jpg
10-02-2005, 09:46 PM
PacRimRider1

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Originally Posted by wanghoeby

I just got hooked up here at the university with a biomedical internship with some professors. Sounds like this year we will be continuing their research on the how the ACL tears. We use really expensive 3-D motion capturing cameras(20K each) and all sorts of complicated programs, so I haven't gotten even close to up to date with the rest of the group and/or the comprehension of the data. If we make anybreak thoughs or we find something interesting I'll let you guys know. From the posters they made last year, it looked like fatigue might play a fair sized role in it. Generally it's up in the air though, hence the research. :D

I know of a really good way to capture some torn ACLs on film:
1)Put boot on and step into binding.
2)Twist foot violently until boot releases from said binding.
3)Increase DIN setting.
4)Reapeat steps 2 and 3 until ACL is torn.
10-02-2005, 09:52 PM
iceman

Base, I think most people's hands end up in front AFTER the tear, but maybe I'm wrong.

My point was about skiing. The major culprit in skiing is the slow twisting rearward fall where the ski gets to act like a lever and just rips your knee apart. Keep your hands in front of you and you have a drastically improved chance of staying in one piece. Reaching out to save yourself as you fall is what fucks you in this scenario, it multiplies the force bigtime.

There's lots of other ways to wreck your ACL, hence the "Pretty much" caveat.
10-02-2005, 09:59 PM
basom

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Originally Posted by iceman

Base, I think most people's hands end up in front AFTER the tear, but maybe I'm wrong.

no, i think your probably right. although, my tear happened in a hyper extension, and my hands were certainly in front of me. it was, however, two runs past "the last run" on one of the most tiering ski days i've had.
10-02-2005, 10:00 PM
nesta

There's lots of other ways to wreck your ACL, hence the "Pretty much" caveat.[/QUOTE]

Lucky me, I'm 2/2 on the other ways.
:frown:
10-02-2005, 10:04 PM
iceman

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Originally Posted by basom

no, i think your probably right. although, my tear happened in a hyper extension, and my hands were certainly in front of me. it was, however, two runs past "the last run" on one of the most tiering ski days i've had.

Yeah I just edited that post trying to be clearer. Not sure if I succeeded.
10-02-2005, 10:35 PM
Meathelmet

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Originally Posted by Sphinx

Plus, the new Dynafit goes to 12 this year.

Hmmm?

Does it or did I get served?

I am "supposed" to have 05/06 dynafit comforts,ordered from TP.
They only go to 10.

They are totally grey,not the red-gray i saw last year.

?
10-02-2005, 10:42 PM
Sphinx

No serveage. Looks like they're not out yet.

http://www.wildsnow.com/backcountry-blog/backcountry-skiing-4-show.html[/url]

Near the end of the page.

Next year maybe?
10-03-2005, 10:17 AM
altagirl

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Originally Posted by nesta

There's lots of other ways to wreck your ACL, hence the "Pretty much" caveat.

Lucky me, I'm 2/2 on the other ways.
:frown:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, my last one on the bike just involved putting a foot down in sand followed by pop, collapse, you have got to be *#&%^ kidding me... Just ungodly bad luck with the placement and weighting of my foot I guess, but my hands were definitely out front. ;)

My first torn ACL (other knee) was the classic overtired (on top of early season) resulting in hitting a bump wrong and twisting and falling into the backseat. Which if I remember correctly, I had hyperextended the day before and decided to ski anyway. A whole string of bad judgement calls on my part because I didn't want to miss out on a minute's worth of skiing. Not ever having been really injured before, I had no idea what I was getting myself into...
01-26-2006, 02:25 AM
MeatPuppet

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Originally Posted by Highway Star

From 12 to 14 seems to be the sweet spot for me, 13 for any normal freeskiing ski. I'm 6'1, 180 lb, but have a very short boot, 293mm, which means I need more din. I'm not particularly reckless, I just like to ski fast on choppy snow, which can cause pre-releasing at lower dins. Ususally ski race stock salomons, 9-16 or 11-17 din, but I bought some Look p18's this year.

Highway Star

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