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IG, do a google search using the the sticky thread at the top of the forum. These have been discussed.
Finally got enough snow in Tahoe to try these bad boys out, I got the 190's and there so easy to turn had them in tight trees and the photo below had a couple inch's of wind slab but no problemo, I'm in love!
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...2&d=1327266667
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...5&d=1327266711
I had a pair of 112's (178cm - Mid-sole Mount) break on me last month and DPS replaced it with a 184cm. I wrestled with it for three days at Whistler feeling that I couldn't quite get my feet under me to ride it properly. Was thinking either my new RS-130's were too stiff for me or the 184 length was too much. Seamus at PMCS suggested a +2 re-mount. Tossed & turned all night, then pulled the trigger! OMG!! Back in the driver's seat!
csk, how big are you?
5'9" - 175lbs
For comparison, I'm mounted +1 on 184's v.s. 5'7" 160lbs or so with pack.
In steeper deep trees with a lot of closer dips and rolls I've been messing around with turn styles and had a lot of fun almost lifting the tails up, or totally de-weighting the tails, or heavily weighting the tips and bending the ski into the turn around the back of some powder fluffed natural moguls in trees. Not sure how to describe it? At times it feels like I am entering a dipping turn down the backside of a feature on my tips, which then load and get me right into the next little feature as my tails come into play, then load the tips/unweight the tails over the downhill side of that feature and repeat... You just point and drive lightly with your knees and press down with your toes whilst (...crazy talk...) trying to raise your heels. It feels so effortless, yet so precise. I swear these skis become part of my body when I ski soft flowing snow in trees. I think they know who I am as well.
Really digging the Dynafits and (11/12 model) Maestrales on them as well.
That's a great description. This ski allows you to work your toes like the accelerator on a Maserati - a slight press on the ball initiates the acceleration into the next turn. Ride that as long as you dare! feel the G-build up ... unweight ... feel the weightlessness of it all. Repeat!!
:)
They definitely have a life of their own. And there is definitely a skier/ski symbiotic relationship going on. And intentional or not, the paddle tech, big RC tip and light weight make deep trail breaking a breeze. I do it often and far and I love it.
I wish I had a pair with far less sidecut for funky snow though.
And recently I've wanted more width on really deep days. There was nothing wrong with the 112's in deep at all. Nothing. Just I like uninterrupted constant speed, and in our higher water content deep powder I can feel some grab and drag at times whilst my body wants to go faster. Talking waist deep 8-10%
My mind is going somewhere like:
- Wailer 112 for normal pow in trees.
- Lotus 138 for the deep denser days.
- the imaginary Lotus 138 in a 115 for funky days and 3d alpine snow (I almost never ski 2d snow) and all round open bowl charging. I wonder if this would replace my Wailer 112's? I'm using some Bluehouse Masetros for funky snow these days.
- then a pair of new Wailer 99's for spring and ski mountaineering.
- and possibly an imaginary Wailer 88 with some early rise for my long May tours.
And a really dirty threesome. Its been a while.
A cure for my bald patch?
I believe this ski has now been created, courtesy of Kidwoo. The theoretical narrow protest/arg/dps 138 gangrush praxis threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Hohes
I think I've mentioned it before but if you feel backseat, mount forward. For Coastal snowpacks, +1.5cm is golden. My newschool Maven buddy DP is mounting +2cm; my interior Maven buddy at KHMR is mounting +3cm.
Hohes, the tip-rock-tail thing, yes, bingo. I often describe this as rocking the heels, which planes the ski and scrubs speed. It's the first step to slarving the ski, actually --- you can kick up walls of snow with this technique, like a surfer, right over your head, when applied with force at speed (kick the heels out to the side, counter-rotate the upper body, and lower the hips with a little flick).
F*ckin' deep day today out here in Whistler's slackcountry, there were three of us on W112RPs enjoying every second... pow!
As always, PM me if you want to demo the line here in Whistler.
Interior Maven Buddy reporting for duty. I am actually mounted at +4...or +3.5 can't remember now...
Anywho.
5'6" 155lbs
184 112 Pures
Damn cute
Last year I was on the 190 112 hybrids mounted at +2 and I thought it was an awesome ski but I wanted more control of my tip, more manouvreable and lighter for touring.
Got the 184 in a pure, mounted +4 with dukes. Way lighter obviously. Actually lighter than a buddies 176 EHPs with Dynafits. The new mount makes the ski move everywhere you want it to, without hesitation. Less tip deflection when pillow boppin and that tip will never allow you to sink.
The pure holds an edge 7000 times better than the hybrid and the tail is super stiff and powerful. I did enjoy how the hybrid would realease in the tail just a little easier. Tip and tail are considerably detuned.
Forward mount hasn't affected speed or stability. Typical day includes straightlining Kicking Horse. The new mount also inspired me to jib a little on em. Carve switch great and spin balanced, but they are still well directionally mounted compared to anything else and the big nose makes me a little nervous jibbing.
All in all, slashing is way more fun on a ski mounted a little farther forward.
2 more days til EI :) see ya out there
Ha Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianColesIsSexy
Midget.
You better be a girl.
I've been looking at a pair of 112's currently mounted with dynafits. ( Not really familiar with the mount holes with this binding) Any way to mount for small dukes without issues?
Oh I know. I've been watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
I'm in a photo mood today:
184's.
You do the math for the snow depth at my front door.
http://steepdeepjapan.com/sites/defa...s/P2020017.JPG
I am trying to figure out if you are sarcastic or just your typical mindless dingo at a ski hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hohes
Got out for the first time (I am in Tahoe) on my w112s 184s on firm groomers. No problem carving with TLT5P's, and they did well in some crusty bumps I got into. 5'10", 190 mounted at +0.
Baker has a lot of snow no doubt. And it's been good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hohes
But I want to wake up, crawl out of my bed and step out to that picture there every day.
Living in that much snow has it's drawbacks, especially when you road is a solid trench of 200cm high snowbanks and you have virtually no where to put the snow that you endlessly clear from your drive.
Yeah, I'm a ski hill skier. It's all I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianColesIsSexy
I'm the same H and W as you. I indicated as much in my post a few above yours. So I was ridiculing myself.
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Originally Posted by khyber.pass
Or learn how to ski forward, either way.
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Originally Posted by Hohes
112 is mid-quiver size for 'round here - need one over the top for big days, and two below for when the snow gods in CA are a little late to the show. Can't expect one ski to do everything perfectly. When it does what it's supposed to do great, that's a good thing.
Skied my 184 pures (5'7", 140#s) four of the last six days in all kinds of spring-like snow, and absolutely loved them. The trick, for me, is realizing that they need to be skiied much differently than a damp metal tank and then developing the muscle memory to repeatedly ski in this new way (less blunt force, more turning).
They definitely have a slower speed limit on many types of snow, but it's in no way less fun, and in many ways a lot more fun.
NOTE: going any shorter than 184 at my height/weight range strikes me as a very bad idea. Even in pow they ski short, and are absurdly easy to ski, even in bumps. When I win the lottery I'm getting 190 hybrids for in-bounds pounding.
I agree, but I have a pair of Lhasa Pows which have less sidecut, and the Lotus 120s are incredible in funky snow, (which you didn't mention).Quote:
I wish I had a pair with far less sidecut for funky snow though.
Starting to think about maybe parting with my 190 Hybrids, mounted with 13-DIN Tyrolia demo bindings. They probably have 30 days on them. Slight topsheet chipping around the edges, and I don't recall them getting any ptex, but if they did, it would've been professionally done and well tested. Currently storage waxed and in Tahoe, and I could shoot some pics this weekend.
Wailer 99 for in-bounds pounding. Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andyski