I have expected a core shot on a couple occasions only to find minor scratches on the ZOMBCOMS
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I have expected a core shot on a couple occasions only to find minor scratches on the ZOMBCOMS
Skied 178 Atomic TMEX's with Hammerheads for as long as I can remember. Pulled the trigger on a pair of 178 112RP's Pure's back in September and mounted Axls, cut skins, etc.. Intending to spend more time in backcountry this year. Based on reading this thread, I'm wondering if went too short with these skis. Heading back to Colorado next week after visiting family in the sun for the holidays. I guess I'll find out soon enough. Any feedback on 178's for 5"10, 170 pinhead?
I'm 5'8" 140 on alpines/dynafits and my 184 pures feel perfect for skinning and a touch short (but fun as hell) for inbounds, mostly because they're so easy to ski and flick around, why not go longer? So, a 178 light, rockered tip/tail ski seems short for your specs. However I can't imagine the difference between the 178 and 184 is huge, so just ski them and enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidetracked
Last Tuesday was the first day for my Bananas this season. Here's some stoke, location Engelberg, Switzerland. Wet and heavy pow but still so sooo sweet!
is that graustock above jochpass?
i want some of that!
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Originally Posted by marshalolson
No, its actually from Brunni. Too much people at Titlis side this time of year. The line to the gondola was about 1,5hours on sunny days. And yeah, its dumping as we speak so better get my Bananas ready for some laps... Cheers!
I don't have a problem with speed on these. I can ski 10 days on a wax and still fly past everyone on traverses and flat spots
What snow temps? [Or air temps]. Are you using skins? My bases do not seem to like warm snow unless waxed for it. Heard others say the same.
Skied them in a nice log 25-30 degree treed run yesterday. Easy skiing, but good 'cause it seems to go on forever. These skis are magic on soft snow in trees with bumps and rolls and texture to turn through. It's like being that dude in The Matrix when he clicks into that higher plane of WTF and anything becomes possible. It almost made me too confident, because damn I would have eaten some hardwood if I didn't make the turns I become committed to making. Lucky the sticks seem to almost turn by themselves just by me lining up the gaps in the trees with my eyes. They should be re-named "Be The Ski", like a zen archer state of being the arrow. /gush
Skied them two days ago in a lot of higher mountain wind effect variable chalk and buff and slab and soft... with wide open spaces. It took some getting used to. Less gushing now. I need to compare back to some beater skis to see what up. I think the sidecut is getting me out of sorts.
edit to add: snow feel! Like a top-end sports car [apparently] has road-feel. These skis have fucking incredible 'snow feel'. I'm guessing that Dynafit or Plum bindings help with that as well. After these anything else is going to feel like sex in a wetsuit.
Being quite impressed by the 112 RP Pures, I would like to share my first impression out of two day of skiing at Arlberg (Austria). Me – 85 kg, 185 cm, former racer/moguls, now big mountain skier. Quiver: Salomon El dictator, Salomon Rocker, Kästle Mx 108. Favorite ride: El dictator. Skied terrain: from groomers and shitty icy mogul slopes up to AK style BM lines in finest Arlberg powder.
Set-up: 112 RP Pures Special Edition, Flex 2, mounted +2 with Marker Jester.
The ski excels in soft snow in every kind of terrain – steep spines with drop outs, open bowls and steep technical lines. It is very responsive and dynamic. It goes fall line, super G turns and even jump turns in steeps if you have to. Hucking cliffs is possible and fun, but the landings are somewhat sketchy because of the soft and rockered tail. Coming from El dictator, I got wheeled backwards and slapping the snow with the back at the beginning, but once you get focused to land absolutely centered, it starts to make fun. For that reason, I was very happy to have mounted the ski at +2 and not at the midsole as obviously recommended. The low weight makes you smile climbing/walking/traversing with the ski to your lines.
What I absolutely did not appreciate was going fast on hard slopes. The tips are flapping and the ski is very nervous. It takes some power to control it.
Conclusion:
Making bad experience with hyped soft and shorter BC skies, I was first afraid, I would take the 112 RP out for skiing with my 3 year old daughter. But hell no, you can really rip on these fuckers. In bad ass conditions like tracked out crust or hard landings you have to shift a gear down and thinking twice about your speed or altitude. The skis do not go mindlessly through everything at high speed like a real charger ski. On the other side, you legs don’t get sore after few hours. Personally, I would wish DPS to add some length to the 112 RP, let say 3-5 cm, and make a stiffer tail. It will come probably very close to the most ideal ski then which I have even experienced up to now.
Thanks and cheers,
roQer
I continue to be amazed by the bases on these skis, they are hard & durable. A few days ago, with low snow conditions, I accidently slarved across a large rock with both skis. The boulder was lightly covered with 1-2" of new and I didn't see it. It sounded and felt bad, I was afraid to look. I couldn't believe it when I took my skis off to examine and couldn't find a single mark on the bases or edges, unbelievable!
Got my first outting on the Wailers and very impressed how well they handle everything. Many positive comments even from snowboarders.
Love them bananas. :)
This ski is nothing like an El Dictator— so certainly an adjustment in style is needed. The tails are stiff compared to other comparable rockered skis...Quote:
Originally Posted by roQer
However I can't help but think that part of your issue here is mounting at +2cm. If you want more stability at higher speed, then this mount may be too far forward for you. The ski can be driven very hard, aggressively forward, over the tips, especially on hardpack (as well as planing in pow) and should NOT be difficult to control nor require significant power. Those are not the characteristics I'd attribute to this ski (see this thread!) which facilitates easier turn initiation and control, if anything. I would try two things:
(a) detune tips and tail to contact point plus +2cm
(b) possibly move your mount back; though I mount at +1.5cm for BC trees it sounds like you want a bigger stick and are mounted too far forward for your style and weight.. you might want to be mounted at midsole so you can lean forward and charge the ski, utilizing its full flex and profile
Last but not least, if what you're looking for is a stiffer ski with less sidecut, more of an expert's big mountain charger, try the Lotus 120. That's what it's there for :D
Even so this is a really useful review b/c it points out a key difference in the ski vs. another distinct class many of us like. I haven't skied the 112s but based on everything i've heard this is how I'd expect it to perform. I wonder if roQer would have a slightly different view of the 112 hybrids vs. the pures in terms of of charge-ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyber.pass
Still loving my Bananas and skiing deep pow here in Engelberg/Brunni. Stoked!
The more I ski my 112rpS in soft snow or smooth hard pack the more I love them but...crud and windpack and choss...... they bounce around like mad which is what I guess you should expect from such a lightweight ski..... especially when mounted with dynafits!!!!
Fantastic ski but you give up a lot of crud busting ability and they seems to hook up in windpack like no other ski I've owned. I've detuned edges but the little bitches still hook up!
Got to the stage where I'll still always reach for the 112's when conditions are good but I'm getting something beefier for variable and windpack conditions.
Just my 2 cents .
Legend Pro XXLQuote:
Originally Posted by Scotsman50
Its like a damp heavy cadillac for that shit snow.
XXL and 112RP is my two ski slay anything travel quiver.
My ideal one ski would be a dampened, slightly stiffer 112RP.
It will never get made (by DPS) since their whole philosophy is light and snappy.
Haha, I've been thinking about selling my Moment Rubies, which are sort of my battering ram for those conditions, because my RP112s are easier to ski in that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotsman50
YMMV, obviously.
Finally got my Wailers out for a test drive in the western elks this weekend. Conditions were much better than I would've expected. I'm guessing 12"+ above 10,000 feet. The heel adjusting screw on my dynafits completely blew out on the tour so I had to rig my ski up with a strap to keep my heel piece from sliding backwards. I had to ski backseat to keep pressure on the heel otherwise it'd pop out. I didn't get to slash aggressive turns or go as fast as I would've liked to but damn, even with the binding issues the wailer was soooo SMOOTH. Lookin forward to get these out when my binding is behaving itself. Enjoy the stoke, short vid and iffy technique but great snow to look at...
http://vimeo.com/34794080
I am violently opposed to the idea of trying to turn the 112RP into some big, burly, "charger" ski. Ick.
^^^ I have to agree with The Suit. The 112rp seems to be on the money to me. The shape and flex seem well matched. If you want to charge hard then buy the 120.
Some of the views above seem to be a variation on those stupid reviews that you see on rucksacs where people say something like - 'I bought this rucksack but it is a bit small to put all my stuff in' and then give it 1/10. BUY A BIGGER RUCKSAC.
I went from thinking to doing last spring, after skiing the Rubies for a total of an hour over the whole season.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeStrummer
YMWV.*
* Your Mileage Won't Vary.
I approve this message ^^^ the 112 is what it is and it hits the mark for me, if you want a different 112 ... buy a different skiQuote:
Originally Posted by gritter
STFU. Change the dims a bit and add a couple layers of metal and the RP112 would be $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Suit
wailer 112 charger edition?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeStrummer
the current w112 ski is not be changed, that thing is just way to good at what it does.
I tend to agree with this. The RP112 is a rock solid ski and kills in its own right. For a pure hard charger ski, I would pick up something else. I personally wouldn't want my 112 changed from anything than what it is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er