With the Duke deal, and since they are used skis you got really cheap, in that situation I'd be ok with a remount. If they were brand new $800 skis, I would be livid.
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With the Duke deal, and since they are used skis you got really cheap, in that situation I'd be ok with a remount. If they were brand new $800 skis, I would be livid.
I'd consider a few other possibilities before you get too carried away with reaming the shop too harshly.
1. Mounting locations that are marked on the ski DO NOT always line up with what the manufacturer actually recommends. Example: Atomic actually recommends that the Access be mounted something like 76cm (I don't remember the actual number) from a straight pull off the tail. Their recommendation actually lands 1-1.5cm FORWARD of the standard mounting location.
2. Manufacturers will often change their recommendation for mounting locations after the product has come out. Example: Dynastar's Legend Pro Rider 115. Dynastar has send out Memos to most shops with a different recommendation than what they put on the actual ski or in their tech manual.
3. People who work in shops make mistakes just as much as the next Human Being (actually probably less when it comes to ski equipment). If you're not a dick to them, they'll be much more likely to hook you up in the future, if only because of the fact that you weren't an asshole when you had the "right" to.
So I talked with the tech who mounted them yesterday. He says that the binding center is different from the boot center and that is how it works with the Dukes jig. Anybody ever heard of that? Kinda seems like BS to me. Shouldn't you position the jig based on where the boot center will be? And, he says he can't redrill them because drilling three times will compromise the skis integrity... He also says "you wont notice 1.5 cm difference."
Maybe I need to jus bring them back in and let the shop owner see what kind o work his guy is doing, then get the tools to mount my next pair myself.
FWIW, here's a PDF Duke/Baron paper template I made from the included template (page1 & page2) you could use to double check. I used this for mounting my Barons which states 'Boot Center on Ski Center Mark'.
The original template shows this:
http://www.slidewright.com/Bindings/..._boot_mark.gif
http://www.slidewright.com/Bindings/...e_template.JPG
If that's the Tech's excuse, he's not mounting Duke's correctly... you should always line up the boot midsole mark with whichever mark you're going for on the ski. I'll admit that lining up the marks on a Duke jig can be sorta tricky, but not 1.5cm tricky, the worst I've seen is maybe 0.5cm off of where you were aiming.
Also, I've always heard that anything MORE than 3 times compromises the skis integrity, not the third time, maybe he's got different standards than me though...
I just had a similar experience at a shop in van. i asked them to mount 1cm behind the line and they put 'em 1cm forward of the line. not too happy about it.
This guy is a moron and obviously does not understand how an AT jig works -- boot midsole is boot midsole. You absolutely can tell a 1.5cm difference in mount, not to mention you even discussed this with the tech and decided on a specific mount point. Go back, talk to the owner, and see what he thinks of his tech's bullshit excuse about mounting binding center instead of boot center like the rest of the free world. IMHO as long as the holes are 1cm apart and you're not some virtuoso huckster you should be fine with three mounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by xksrx
One more reason to measure and mark where you want your skis mounted before dropping them off with a shop.
Pretty sure the tech's wrong on all three counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by xksrx
1. Boot center is boot center. Duke is no different in that regard than any other binding.
2. 3 drills should be fine, as long as there's sufficient space in between. sucks to have three sets of holes in a ski that should only have 2 sets though.
3. You'll notice 1.5 cm's.
Talk to the owner. Make them fix the situation.
Man. Mounting shit is easy. Dude fucked up. Oh well. At least you are willing to ski them first.
However, all this I want my shit +1 or -.75 is bullshit. And the whole oh i can feel the difference thing is bullshit too. Bullshit. nothing but making shit more annoying especially for techs and surly fucks who have to listen to you blowhards spew on and on about where to mount your stupid skis. Go skiing. Be happy. Die.
Work makes you free.
If there is any discrepancy between the boot and the jig, you line the ski up with the boot. Tell him to try reading his tech manual.Quote:
Originally Posted by xksrx
As far as whether or not you'll notice the difference, that is entirely up to you. You might like it, you might not. You might find out that you were wrong about +1 in the first place, but its your decision, not his. I still say ski 'em, but talk to this guy's manager or the owner first.
And bangbus, please let us know what shop you work for so I can steer people away from yet another ski tech who doesn't give a fuck.
Considering the shop rats convinced him to mount them at a specific point then mounted them in the wrong position anyway, I dont really see how he was being a blowhard. It's easy enough to adapt your skiing for +/-1cm but you can absolutely tell the difference. Even little old ladies can tell the difference. Also, why exactly is it annoying for a tech to do their job and talk shop with customers? They're fucking paid to be doing it, not volunteering their own time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAfterBangBus
Seconded.Quote:
And bangbus, please let us know what shop you work for so I can steer people away from yet another ski tech who doesn't give a fuck.
There's a difference between thinking you are fucktards and mounting your shit correctly, as succinctly pointed out by saying the tech fucked up in the first place.
I would mount the shit out of anything you brought to my shop and make sure it was done properly and correctly. Would i secretly think you were a douchebag gaper? Yes. Would that in any way mess with my customer service or mounting ability? No. Every mount gets the triple check check plus final once over before drilling and measuring after. If i didn't it would be like failing to first check your mom's cooch for proper moisture content before going wrist deep.:fm:
Old thread, but going through this issue myself right now.
That's pretty much how I feel. Just had the local shop mount a brand new pair of praxis. I have no idea what they were thinking because they mounted 6cm forward. Looks like the ideal set up for a park rat, but these will be my touring sticks. What to do? Could be a bit awkward being friends with the shop owner, but maybe that'll be an advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
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Originally Posted by ZomblibulaX
^^^ face palm.
Try them before you remount them. Skiing 6CM forward is a rare opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Crank
well even if he was correct he should have been able to move the jig so BC was where you specifyed and so heres the thingQuote:
Originally Posted by xksrx
buddy doesn't really understand what he is doing ...he just clamps on a jig and runs the drill
what do you expect for the $ being paid to a drug abusing wax sniffing near alcoholic ... assuming he is doing this ski bum thing correctly ?
I'm not saying its OK or that it should be like that it just is ...learn to mount your own skis
at least when you drill thru a base its easier to rationalize ...cuz you know the guy