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Endlessseason
03-20-2004, 03:00 PM
By request, I'll be bringing the gun out to the Boid next Saturday for those who want to get their speed checked.
Let me know if you're interested.

This could actually break the weather pattern. If ya'll remember last year, every time we scheduled it last spring it snowed. :)


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"Why? Because it's there."

phUnk
03-20-2004, 07:49 PM
altachic here-

w00t w00t!!...i'm in on this one! let me know what time you want to meet. I'm pretty sure you have my cell. Thanks for offering the speed gun dude:D

Blurred Elevens
03-20-2004, 07:52 PM
Phunk is DanTheMan, and AltaChic? Wow, Phunk is definitely Iceman.

boarderline
03-21-2004, 12:31 AM
What run are you thinking of using for the speed trials? Early morning 'roy on Regulator Johnson might be a good choice: long, steep, consistent pitch, and buttah smooth in the morning.

Red Baron
03-21-2004, 01:35 AM
A-N-D-E-R-S-O-N's.. :)

ak_powder_monkey
03-21-2004, 02:18 AM
I plan on running what I think the downhill course on friday was then use the stats from the fis (slope length) to calculate my average speed

dipstik
03-27-2004, 07:53 PM
just wondering...what kind of speeds did you guys end up logging?

Dantheman
03-27-2004, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
just wondering...what kind of speeds did you guys end up logging?
It was socked in and snowing there today (again :D) so I'm guessing it didn't go down. However, altachic skied witha friends GPS the other day and topped out at 81 mph :cool:

dipstik
03-27-2004, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Dantheman
81 mph :cool:

:eek: hot damn! was she on DH boards?

fez
03-27-2004, 09:43 PM
I've seen some pretty ridiculous speeds clocked on gps.

I mean 81 is pretty tough to do for the average (or even above average) skier to pull off.

i had some kid on the chair trying to tell me he hit in the low 90's on a snowboard riding lazy m at red lodge. I cant believe for a second this kid could have survived something like that.

But i also dont know much about gps. How do they measure speed, i know change in position / time is most of it, but how do the gps units actually calculate this and how accurate are they?

altachic
03-27-2004, 10:08 PM
yeah, i was hauling ass...but it really didn't feel like i was going over 80 mph, pretty cool. Now i want to go faster.

Talked to endless-this will go down this coming saturday.

Edit: I was on g4's

Ski Monkey
03-28-2004, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by altachic
Edit: I was on g4's

80 on g4's? Hmm, I think it's doable. That ski is ridiculously stable at speed. Me thinky I would like a longer length than altachic's though. ;)

powderhound
03-28-2004, 12:32 AM
radar gun? the bird? sounds interesting/a way to hurt myself. Are you going to set up a time and a place? i'll try to make it, but holy shit 80 plus on skis? at what speed does your shit explode?

Ski Monkey
03-28-2004, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by powderhound
i'll try to make it, but holy shit 80 plus on skis? at what speed does your shit explode?

88 MPH and 1.21 jigawatts. Be careful, G4's can't handle that.

Showtime06
03-28-2004, 08:21 AM
if she broke 80 on skiis that weren't race stock i'm not sure how comfortable i would be going that fast with a big tip in the front...i've gotten clocked at 77 at the sugarloaf downhill last year, but i was on 212cm fischer downhill skiis, with the low aerodynamic tip and was also wearing a speed suit which makes a huge difference...at that speed the tips and aerodynamics make a huge diffence, you can bail just by lifting up your ski a slight bit and the air pushes them right up...becareful

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 08:27 AM
You just admitted that you got your ass paddled by some girlie on midfats. Sucks to be you.

splat
03-28-2004, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by powderhound
at what speed does your shit explode?

Depends on what you eat for breakfast. Avoid oatmeal.

Endlessseason
03-28-2004, 09:08 AM
Just like last spring, scheduling the Speed-Trap day (even in the midst of record high temps with no end in sight) resulted in too much snow to run it. Since Altachic's the only one I had heard from, we talked Friday night and decided to reschedule to next Saturday (anyone who's been hoping for snow next weekend might want to take this into consideration ;) ).

Yesterday was interesting. Despite dumping all day and delivering more than 20 inches in this latest storm, it wasn't enough to restore the pleasurable, consistent base we spoiled Utards are so accustomed to. It wouldn't have been possible to safely reach even 70 MPH anywhere on the mountain.

Most of the usually reliable facings were nothing more than death slides as the new snow could not find purchase on the refried ice base. I have never seen Silver Fox, Great Scott, STH, Baldy, lower TT, Gad Chutes, Wilbere Chutes, and Mineral Basin, ALL in such horrible shape at the same time. It's either going to take a lot more new, wet snow or a heck of a lot of dynamite to get an acceptable new base formed.

There were little stashes of a dozen or two powder turns here and there, but the watchword of the day was CAUTION off-piste.

Better luck next week...


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phUnk
03-28-2004, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Ski Monkey
80 on g4's? Hmm, I think it's doable. That ski is ridiculously stable at speed. Me thinky I would like a longer length than altachic's though. ;) That's funny, she was just saying how she would like a longer length than Ski Monkey's...

Showtime06
03-28-2004, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
You just admitted that you got your ass paddled by some girlie on midfats. Sucks to be you.

hey i don't want to make excuses if she beat me then she beat me, but it's alittle different if she's bombing down a huge face and i'm getting clocked going through a turn...

extaski
03-28-2004, 01:01 PM
I don't think GPS is a reliable measure of speed... does it definately take into account the drop in altitude etc... I'll believe it when I hear the results of the radar gun.

splat
03-28-2004, 01:02 PM
Excuse me for being gnarly today. I'm pissed cause I can't ski til some torn muscles heal a lil more......... BUT..........you proceeded to say you didn't want to make excuses, then came up with one that was the equivalent of saying 80 mph in NJ would be the equivalent of 60 mph in Utah.
Or were you trying to say you were clocked while killing speed in a turn as opposed to altachic straightlining a bowl?

don't let that mean roodude make fun of you.:D

edit: I don't know enough about gps to address the issues, but if altachic knows of a steep road on a pass with snow on it, I'll clock her in my car.

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 01:09 PM
Showtime - just kidding. I think balls out straightline speed might just be the only possible way I'd get one over on altachic.

Snow Dog
03-28-2004, 01:17 PM
I was a Sun Peaks during their speed comp. With speed suits, helmets and long, long skis they were clocking 160 km/h (100 MPH) after ~700' of vertical. The runs only lasted 5s. Skiers who fell still slid through the trap at +100 km/h (62 MPH).


As far as a GPS goes I would assume it calculates a simple distance travelled over time and the direction of travel doesn't matter.

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 01:19 PM
We routinely average around 79mph down the 923m length of Signal in Alpe d'Huez. It's not too difficult to clock up circa 90mph peak speeds if you're determined.

phUnk
03-28-2004, 01:23 PM
I'm calling BS on air-resistance being powerful enough (in the 80 mph range) to crash a skier if it gets under their ski tip.

And roo, your Alpe d'Heuvos speeds don't count because those are European miles per hour. ;)

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
I could be wrong here.

A little judicious editing can work wonders.

A low-pro tip might make the difference between 80 and 80.05mph, not prevent an iminent Donald Campbell moment.

iceman
03-28-2004, 02:09 PM
I routinely hit 140 mph on my kid's skateboard on my driveway, and it's not even paved.

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
huh?

If you want the true science, I suggest you go here. (http://www.dipstickisafuckingdoofus.com)

altachic
03-28-2004, 02:13 PM
holy shit dudes...i was just looking to see how fast i was going, that's pretty much it. Now i know i can go faster than what i did before.

Believe me...if i want to go faster, i will.

iceman
03-28-2004, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
If you want the true science, I suggest you go here. (http://www.dipstickisafuckingdoofus.com)

Finally, someone else who gets it.

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 02:19 PM
I'm ripping on you because your logic is that of a simpleton. That's all.

phUnk
03-28-2004, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
If you want the true science, I suggest you go here. (http://www.dipstickisafuckingdoofus.com) That made me ROFL.

Hey Endless: What were some of last year's "Radar Day" speeds?

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
How so? Do explain my enlightened friend!

I could but it's way more entertaining for all of us to watch you wallowing in your fetid pit of ignorance.

What makes you think 65mph is v max for a pair of mid fats? What happens when you hit 65mph? You just defy the laws of physics and stop accelerating? From what place did you pluck that number from? Do I have to wear a GS suit to get in?

Lumpy
03-28-2004, 02:28 PM
Last year Spats and I hit mid 70's. Spats on Beast 92's and me on fag-boy blue noodles in fog and sloppy, half bumped up conditions. Can't remember which run...it was foggy and I was thinking about getting drunk afterwards.

Odin
03-28-2004, 02:31 PM
Well, I for one believe in Altachic.

laseranimal
03-28-2004, 02:31 PM
anyone know the accuracy of a GPS position wise? I would assume that to calculate speed a GPS would simply use time and distance. Time would more then likely be accurate but has anyone ever attempted to take multiple fixes on your location from the same spot? Back when I was learning how to navigate on boats one of the instructors told us that GPS was awesome in the open water, however due to the US government adding an anomoly to the GPS code/satellite system to prevent everyone save the military from having a laser accurate GPS(thus in his words preventing a foreign power from droping a bomb straight down the white house chimney) His comment was that in city terms regular GPS was accurate to within a city block(this was in 1999) for sailing in open water this is perfectly acceptable, but when navigating narrow chanels or in other places where accuracy was PARAMOUNT he said to use other methods such as Dead Reconing or Loran or buy a differential GPS recever that is more accurate then regular GPS but takes longer to aquire a fix

MY POINT BEING..........:rolleyes:

If the GPS gives a fix every X number of seconds but the fix is off by several feet either way you won't truly have an accurate measure of speed. I bet Altachick COULD go 80 mph on G4's but she could also have been going 90 or 70 depending on the anomoly in the GPS signal. I think a radar gun would be a whole lot more accurate then a GPS

This argument is null and void if there is no anomoly in the GPS signal anymore:D

phUnk
03-28-2004, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
Do I have to wear a GS suit to get in? It'd be irresponsible not to.

Oh, and if you try to beat 65mph without a low-profile tip, your toenails turn black.

iceman
03-28-2004, 02:32 PM
I don't know what happens when other people hit 65 mph on skis, but I have a good idea what would happen if I did it, and it involves a change of underwear.

edit: I count five utards on the board on a Sunday afternoon (including phUnk, who like me is both cool and invisible). Didn't it just snow there?

phUnk
03-28-2004, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by iceman
I don't know what happens when other people hit 65 mph on skis, but I have a good idea what would happen if I did it, and it involves a change of underwear. You're so money and you don't even know it.

http://www.shomertec.com/products/the_brief_safe.jpg

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
Just a guess buddy, no need to flip out. What would you guess? 68? 70? 75? If you and Ice are so smart, how come I don't see you offering up your thoughts on the subject?

Do you think it's possible to hit 70mph on a pair of midfats? Hmmm? Do you? Why or why not? Let's hear it smartypants.

I don't know about midfats but both Lumpy and Spats have clocked 70mph on skis with 90mm+ waists. I've clocked well over 70mph on a pair of Motherships and Brownmonkey has done likewise on a pair of AK Enemies. Why do you choose not to believe and instead rely on some dumb heuristic reasoning?

zion zig zag
03-28-2004, 02:41 PM
I stirred up this same shit storm earlier this year by using a gps and posting speeds. I'll stand by it, if you put it in a car and watch the speedom. it matches number for number, speeding up slowing down, whatever.
And yeah ice, it snowed, and it was niiiiice this am, got real heavy, real quick. And once it got tracked it wasn't much fun.

iceman
03-28-2004, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
Let's hear it smartypants.

Oooh, I think roo just got bitchslapped.

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by flykdog
I stirred up this same shit storm earlier this year by using a gps and posting speeds.

Yeah, but dude. 450mph? C'mon.

Mrs Roo
03-28-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by iceman
Oooh, I think roo just got bitchslapped.

Hey! I'm the only bitch allowed to slap Roo!

Odin
03-28-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by flykdog
I'll stand by it, if you put it in a car and watch the speedom.

if you stand by it, how can you watch the numbers in the car?

iceman
03-28-2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Mrs Roo
Hey! I'm the only bitch allowed to slap Roo!

Do you have two computers in the house or are you taking turns?

phUnk
03-28-2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
Yeah, but dude. 450mph? C'mon. What? It's not like he stuck his head out the sunroof going that fast...

iceman
03-28-2004, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by phUnk
What? It's not like he stuck his head out the sunroof going that fast...

My dog did that once. Alas poor Rover, we hardly knew ye.

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Odin
if you stand by it, how can you watch the numbers in the car?

You don't want to be standing with your head sticking out of the moonroof at those speeds. Lordy, no.

zion zig zag
03-28-2004, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by phUnk
What? It's not like he stuck his head out the sunroof going that fast...
God... think of the consequenses. 415mph is totally doable though.

Odin
03-28-2004, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by iceman
Do you have two computers in the house or are you taking turns?

Double posting takes on a whole new meaning.

iceman
03-28-2004, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by flykdog
God... think of the consequenses. 415mph is totally doable though.

Only if you have a low-profile head.

iceman
03-28-2004, 02:52 PM
Somebody say something funny.

phUnk
03-28-2004, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Odin
if you stand by it, how can you watch the numbers in the car? Simple. Just put it up on blocks.

http://www.javelinamx.com/carstars/ferris2.jpg

Mrs Roo
03-28-2004, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by iceman
Do you have two computers in the house or are you taking turns?

Oh, honey, Roo and I just LOVE to share!

It's a whole evenings entertainment for me watching him rip the piss out of some pea brain. I need to get out more.

Odin
03-28-2004, 02:54 PM
What aboot a twin tipped head?

iceman
03-28-2004, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Mrs Roo
Oh, honey, Roo and I just LOVE to share!



Is that where the sticky tape that you are so handy with comes into play?

Perhaps I don't really want to know.

bad_roo
03-28-2004, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by iceman
Only if you have a low-profile head.

Was Kurt Cobain a skier?

dipstik
03-28-2004, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Mrs Roo
some pea brain.

hey, easy there.

phUnk
03-28-2004, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
hey, easy there. Hey pea brain, fix your sig.

iceman
03-28-2004, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by phUnk
Hey pea brain, fix your sig.

Yeah, everyone knows you don't use a capital letter after a semicolon.

elesquiador
03-28-2004, 03:13 PM
I was skiing with a GPS a couple weeks ago and hit 55 in my first run, before I started trying to go fast. Then my battery died. I definitely believe altachic's speed and i'm pretty sure she could go faster.

edit: spelling for iceman

Odin
03-28-2004, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by iceman
Yeah, everyone knows you don't use a capital letter after a semicolon.

[finding forrester] and you don't begin a sentence with or, and or but... You're the man now dog! [/ff]

altachic
03-28-2004, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by elesquiador
I was skiing with a GPS a couple weeks ago and hit 55 in my first run, before I started trying to go fast. Then my battery died. I definately believe altachic's speed and i'm pretty sure she could go faster.
Thank you sir. And this thread is making me laugh.

I'll take on anyone who doesn't think 80 mph on g4's is doable.

Bring it.

iceman
03-28-2004, 03:17 PM
"definately" - so hot right now.

crashnburn'd
03-28-2004, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by altachic

I'll take on anyone who doesn't think 80 mph on g4's is doable.


I'll take that challenge, just wait for me to get my new snowblades and a plane ticket to Utah...:cool:

iceman
03-28-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by altachic
I'll take on anyone who doesn't think 80 mph on g4's is doable.



So all I have to do is say I don't think you can do 80 on G4's and you'll...take me on?

nudgenudgewinkwinksaynomore

InspectorGadget
03-28-2004, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by iceman
Yeah, everyone knows you don't use a capital letter after a semicolon.
dipstik - I've brought this up before too. Look at your signature and tell me what the hell bt spells?


No offense Miss Altachic, but I'm more than a little skeptical about 81 American miles per hour myself. Having recently secured a couple of free passes to the Bird, I just might have to take up this challenge. I don't want to get bitch-slapped along with the rest of you girls.

The skiing was definately (sic) better yesterday.


edit: dipstik erased his signature :rolleyes:

elesquiador
03-28-2004, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
Well if you were going so fast before you even tried, didn't that make you a little skeptical?
I ski fast. If i hadn't turned it on while i was on my way to the mountain that morning, yes i might have had some doubts. On the bus the speed seemed right on though. I trust it.

seldon
03-28-2004, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Odin
What aboot a twin tipped head?

Not as aerodynamic. However, think of the possibilities of a twin-tipped low profile head.

Who was it that stuck the sheep out of the moonroof at 450mph? Was that a trueice project?

Showtime06
03-28-2004, 03:52 PM
i go out for a couple of hours this afternoon and i come back and there's all of these posts!! roo, sorry for taking the post seriously i don't want to get into an argument...i'm curious to see how accurate a GPS would be, i'm sure AC could hit 80, i'm just saying she must've straightlined a huge face in a tuck to hit that fast, i'm sure it doable, just unlikely in my opinion...i'm sure all you guys are thinking that i never hit 77 in NJ, and i didn't...i went that fast coming off a pitch into a turn at the sugarloaf DH last march at JI/JII finals...and dipstik, i know what you're thinking because i race too so you're not alone...

Odin
03-28-2004, 04:00 PM
[Obviously Inflamatory Statement]

Racers suck, and apparantly the psychic ones type alone.

[/ois]

phUnk
03-28-2004, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by elesquiador
I was skiing with a GPS a couple weeks ago and hit 55 in my first run, before I started trying to go fast. Then my battery died. So, now know that if you exceed 55 without a GS suit (or a low-pro tip) your batteries will die. Hit 65 and it's bye-bye toenails. I don't even want to imagine what happens to your body at 75mph.

Dexter Rutecki
03-28-2004, 04:16 PM
80+ on mid-fats is pretty difficult, altachic or not.
I still don't know why a GS suit is irresponsible, but dipstik might be right aside from that.

altachic
03-28-2004, 04:16 PM
Skiing this fast took place on a groomer day at alta. No offense take Inspector.

Like I say...I'm sure I can clock at least 80 again with the speed gun. For those of you who have skied with me on a groomer day, know i like to haul ass.

Edit: why is it so difficult to go this fast on mid-fats dexter?

Showtime06
03-28-2004, 04:24 PM
last year i was a second year JII, and this year i couldn't go back to finals because of HS lacrosse, so i couldn't make it to any post season USSA or FIS races, during the season i hit up the eastern cup series at Sunday River for FIS but didn't do as well as i had hoped...

Dexter Rutecki
03-28-2004, 04:26 PM
It's tough to go that fast on skis that are made for stuff like that. Check out the speeds that DH racers get when they're going straight, and then consider that they've got everything going for them speed-wise: wax, skis, snow, speed-suit...I'm pretty sure I've never hit 80+ even on big race skis. But I never used a GPS or radar gun, so who knows.
I was just pointing out that in this particular instance, dipstik isn't completely living up to his name.

Showtime06
03-28-2004, 04:29 PM
i agree with dex... wax is so crucial, and the speed suit def gives you an extra 5-10mph

altachic
03-28-2004, 04:29 PM
It's doesn't feel like you're going that fast. When i looked at it, I was surprised...the dude who's GPS i was using then turned to me and said "holy shit! Ummm, you ski fast." He said that without knowing what my max speed was.

This is doable. We'll have to wait and see come saturday. I am done posting in this thread until we see what speeds we clock.

Art Vandelay
03-28-2004, 04:36 PM
I saw altachic and DTM at Alta last week and attempted to chase them down on a groomer...She can hit 80.

Lumpy
03-28-2004, 04:37 PM
10-bucks gets you a day of economy speed reading from Endless. 20 and he'll give you the executive plan. Buy him a home karaoke machine and you just might hit 450mph.

Dexter Rutecki
03-28-2004, 04:40 PM
Again, who knows.
But if she did hit 80 on G4s in regular ski clothing, it would be pretty interesting to see what she could do if she were really set up to go fast.

Odin
03-28-2004, 04:43 PM
Dex's secret plan finally revealed!

AC + Lycra Speed suit

Oh and what kind of wax? Brazillian?

Dexter Rutecki
03-28-2004, 04:46 PM
Shhhhh!
Her signature really got me thinking, though.

Blurred Elevens
03-28-2004, 05:06 PM
I was wondering if since you are skiing downhill as opposed to moving on something flat, does this effect the accuracy of the GPS readings of speed?

Also, I hope you guys have a good run to speed down that doesn't jepardize the lives of the visiting Griswalds...

Odin
03-28-2004, 05:21 PM
Do I need a "codpiece" with my GS suit? Does it come sewn in? Does the aerodynamic properties of said "codpiece" affect my overall race time?

crashnburn'd
03-28-2004, 05:27 PM
Only if you're planning on racing through 3-4 ft trees.

Dantheman
03-28-2004, 06:26 PM
Powho and I went out with endless a few days before the official speed trap day last year to get the gun dialed. He was hitting 60+ just cruising down chip's and big emma, low angle runs where he wasn't trying at all to go fast. 80 is very doable.

phUnk
03-28-2004, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Dantheman
Powho and I went out with endless a few days before the official speed trap day last year to get the gun dialed. He was hitting 60+ just cruising down chip's and big emma, low angle runs where he wasn't trying at all to go fast. 80 is very doable. Yeah, but that's at least partly attributable to the fact that Powho always skis in a GS suit.

Go Powho!

Tippster
03-28-2004, 06:56 PM
*shaking his head*

Those silly downhill racers, wasting their time on windtunnels, speed suits, wax technicians, race stock skis...

All you need is some G4's and a groomer at Alta, huh? Wow. Who knew... I'm sure Daron, Stephan, Hermann, et al. will be calling asking for tips any day now.

Puhleez, Wiggas. There's something here that doesn't add up. I'm not doubting that you BELIEVE you went 81mph on skis, but if only the best in the world hit that # (none of them women, BTW - they mainly hit the 70's) I honestly don't think it's "doable."

Dantheman
03-28-2004, 07:00 PM
We'll see what goes down, but regardless, going 60+ is no thang for any good skier on fast snow.

The General
03-28-2004, 07:21 PM
A gps is very accurate, we use them in aviation all the time. Yes, the military did make the signal "dumber" for civillian use, it was called selective availability. However, they basically turned it off a couple of years ago. Most gps units will tell you the position error for your location. With the dumber signal I belive the error used to be around 100' = 300'. The other day I had an estimated position error of 13', not too shabby. Radar gun or gps, I don't think you could go wrong with either.

splat
03-28-2004, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
Well if you were going so fast before you even tried, didn't that make you a little skeptical?

Of what, hitting 56 after he warmed up?

phUnk
03-28-2004, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Tippster
I'm not doubting that you BELIEVE you went 81mph on skis, but if only the best in the world hit that # (none of them women, BTW - they mainly hit the 70's) I honestly don't think it's "doable." Time will tell.

I think it will also kick you in the nuts when a bunch of us post speeds in the 70's and 80's.

Seriously, I straightlined Alta's No-Name from the top and I actually hit Warp 1.1 near the bottom. Pulled the paint right off my helmet. Damn.

dipstik
03-28-2004, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by phUnk

I think it will also kick you in the nuts when a bunch of us post speeds in the 70's and 80's.



To be honest, I'll still be skeptical, even with the use of a radar gun, if you guys post speeds in the 80's and claim you did so skiing on a groomer with fatties and baggy clothes.

Showtime06
03-28-2004, 08:03 PM
all i know is that i want video proof!! i want to see video of the person coming down along with footage of the radar gun for me to believe you guys hit 80

powderhound
03-28-2004, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Showtime06
all i know is that i want video proof!! i want to see video of the person coming down along with footage of the radar gun for me to believe you guys hit 80
and i suppose you want a video of santa claus coming down my chimney too

Showtime06
03-28-2004, 08:12 PM
yea they're pretty much in the same category^^^^

Dexter Rutecki
03-28-2004, 08:14 PM
We are talking about doing it switch, right?

G
03-28-2004, 08:36 PM
Here's a very epic (http://www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=002317#000004) discussion on the subject.

Lumpy
03-28-2004, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
To be honest, I'll still be skeptical, even with the use of a radar gun, if you guys post speeds in the 80's and claim you did so skiing on a groomer with fatties and baggy clothes.

I never said anything about baggy clothes. Fat mebee...but than again, I was a wee-bit below 80...take it up with the radar gun mang.

splat
03-28-2004, 08:45 PM
Endless - do you have the tuning fork calibrator for your gun?

edit: I know about this shit because I went to court for doing 75 in a 55 - at least that's what the cop said. When I told the judge I was going 105 and that the troopers gun was defective, the cop pulled out his tuning fork and I pulled out my ...........................wallet.

laseranimal
03-28-2004, 08:49 PM
although the racers ARE comming out of turns etc so they're speed could concevably be lower, whats the speedskiing MPH record, that would give us a better idea

edit

Men 155 mph

Women 150 mph

SOOOOO

I would say that on G4's you COULD tuck and point them and get 70-80 mph of speed

interloper
03-28-2004, 08:50 PM
The WC racers do around 70-80 mph on a downhill course. 155.834 mph right now. Enough said.

zion zig zag
03-28-2004, 08:51 PM
Does it seem like all the doubters are EC'ers? And racers? Hey jealousy.

splat
03-28-2004, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by laseranimal
although the racers ARE comming out of turns etc so they're speed could concevably be lower, whats the speedskiing MPH record, that would give us a better idea

Around 153, I believe. And that's MPH.

Steve McKinney was the shit when I first moved to Tahoe, having knocked down the 200 kph mark, which was only 121 mph.

Odin
03-28-2004, 08:53 PM
Men's Speed Ski World Record = 250.790 km/h = 155.834 mph by Philippe Goitschel

Women's Speed Ski World Record = 242.26 km/h = 150.53 mph by Karine Dubouchet


If you don't believe don't believe, but also don't believe that anyone will give a rats ass that you don't believe. You believe?

snorkeldeep
03-28-2004, 09:00 PM
all the racers and cowbell ringers should remember you're talking to a bunch of people that spend a lot of their time on skis with them not touching the snow at all. i wonder how fast jamie is going when he backslaps the shit out of a rock after one of his drops?

Spats
03-28-2004, 09:03 PM
As a previous radar gun subject, I will bet any non-believer a PMGear product of their choice that a maggot will register 80 MPH or more this year on Endless's radar gun.

Bet is void, with no winner, if:
-It snows or has flat light/bad vis every day he brings it out (this is actually very likely, given last year's pattern)
-Endless injures himself again (knock wood this doesn't happen)
-Neither DTM, altachic, or powho get a shot at it

Speed readings will be verified by Endless, since it's his radar gun.

Any takers?

iceman
03-28-2004, 09:05 PM
Have you ever seen the Hahnenkahm in person? HAVE YOU?!?!?!

Well, neither have I.

But on the steepest gnarliest downhill in the world the boys max out at about 87 or so. With perfect skis, wax, course knowledge and conditioning.

Take it for what it's worth. My opinion is that some of y'all ain't goin' quite as fast as ya think. By a long shot.

But yer goin' faster than me, so rock on.

p.s. please don't take this as a defense of dipstik, who is still a numbnuts in my book.

dipstik
03-28-2004, 09:06 PM
Here is speed skier Alex English in his custom seal skin suit about ready to hit 140mph+

http://www.epicski.com/Assets/Photos/AlexSpeedSkiing.jpg

Here is Bode probably going around 60mph
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040308/capt.ny15103081747.sports_showcase_ny151.jpg

Not to be mean, but somehow I don't see Altachic on her midfats fitting in here.

iceman
03-28-2004, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
Not to be mean

Oh, go ahead and be mean, it makes me feel less guilty crushing you.

splat
03-28-2004, 09:11 PM
Then take Spats' bet.

splat
03-28-2004, 09:17 PM
Just take Spats' bet, then, dipstick. Show 'em all you were right.

iceman
03-28-2004, 09:18 PM
Oh, I dunno...life, love, grammar, basic intelligence, irony, humility, political science, sense of humor, stuff like that. I take requests, if you need to be schooled in anything I haven't mentioned.

Remember that you are a know-nothing high-school boy, and not a very bright one at that, and we will get along just fine, lunch.

BobMc
03-28-2004, 09:20 PM
I think Ice needs to drink more.

BobMc

iceman
03-28-2004, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by BobMc
I think Ice needs to drink more.

BobMc

Perhaps the fact that there is no alcohol left in the house is affecting my mood, I'll give you that.

altachic
03-28-2004, 09:30 PM
I'm sorry, but i have to post again in here.

dipstick----->so ignorant right now. Listen to reason. Odin has got something here.

I'll take you on anyday. Really, bring it. There is a difference when you are going straight down a fast groomer and racing gates. This is why I can reach a speed like that. Getting the most out of it, tucking when I feel the need as well.

iceman
03-28-2004, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
It's funny how you and your lackey were ragging on me before saying that my logic was way off, and then once everyone started agreeing with me, roo backed off. You on the other hand, come along and repeat exactly what Dex and I said, but still expect me to believe that you don't agree with me. :rolleyes:

Roo lives in England. He went to bed. But I don't think he considers himself my lackey. If he does, I want to talk to Mrs. Roo immediately.

If you read the thread (something you always very boringly and predictably say) you will see I spent my time trying to make jokes and have fun rather than engage in some stupid anal argument that I couldn't give a rat's ass about.

Right up until that last post, which I regret sincerely.

p.s. I went a millionbilllion miles per second on a monoski when there was no snow. Beat that, jizzboy.

Odin
03-28-2004, 09:42 PM
Look this certainly doesn't have to turn into a "thing"

GS stands for Giant Slalom

Why GS? Because they turn around gates, albeit large sweeping ones

and therefore even while carrying massive amounts of speed they still slow down because there are turns

So, the fact remains that while AC could NOT go onto a race course and hammer down 80 mph on icy death

She COULD go in a straight line down a groomed fast slope and reach that speed

Noone is claiming that overall she is faster than maier or bode, but if in competition they went in a COMPLETELY STRAIGHT LINE in a tuck down the hill they would be faster than the other contestants! Of course then they would be disqualified for going outside the race course boundries.

phUnk
03-28-2004, 09:44 PM
Can we all stop shitting in this thread and just shut our fat mouths until the results are in? It fucking stinks in here with all this trash-talking and postulating.

I'll bring my camcorder to get video of the gun in the foreground and the skier in the background. I'll also be bringing my fat skis and plenty of Crystal Blue Saran Wrap to make my GS suit.

edit: I will also take a run with the camcorder in my hand so we can see what XX mph looks like.

altachic
03-28-2004, 09:48 PM
I'm never out to cause conflict, I just hate ignorance.

Until you've skied with a GPS or a speed gun, don't go on like you are. I understand what you are saying.

Bottom line is, you can reach speeds like this when going straight on a groomer, even in baggy clothes. It's fun to see just how fast you can actually go.

Let's end this thread on a positive note, rather than a dipstick note.

Edit: i will wait to see how fast we can all go before i say anything else. We'll see.

iceman
03-28-2004, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by phUnk
Can we all stop shitting in this thread and just shut our fat mouths until the results are in?

No. Dipshit pisses me off, I know I should rise above it, but I just can't.

Hey, did anybody see "The Road to Perdition"? I saw like 99.5 per cent of it the other day but had to leave with like 3-5 minutes to go. How did it end up?

altachic
03-28-2004, 09:51 PM
totally unrelated side note-phUnk, email those pics to me...I need them for a certain "something."

iceman
03-28-2004, 10:00 PM
1260...not bad. Of course they rescaled the tests since I took them, but still not bad. I don't think I called you stupid. Ignorant, arrogant, humorless...yeah, maybe.

So what happened at the end of "The Road to Perdition"?

BobMc
03-28-2004, 10:02 PM
Just a note from the cheap seats.

I do have a GPS, I ski with it frequently. It once showed me skiing 428 MPH. As others have pointed out I'm not sure if it picks up the altitude difference. Plus the fact that you are in a mountain environment, you lose signal. I'd suppose that when you lose a signal you pop up in a different place.

I'd imagine you had the GPS in a pocket, doing 80 while holding it out front upright could be quite dangerous. My GPS loses satellite lock quite frequently in my pocket.

Whether it factors in time differences between popping back up somewhere? I don't know. But, what I do know is that mine shows screwed up MPH's quite frequently. Yeah, driving down a road on a flat surface it's spot on. But the mountains seem to be a bit different.

That aside, I figure Altachic could probably do it.

BobMc

dipstik
03-28-2004, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by iceman
So what happened at the end of "The Road to Perdition"?

I saw it a while ago, and all I remember is that Tom Hanks' character gets shot, but not before shooting some other guy that had glass in his face.

Then the little kid then sit's with Tom Hanks as he dies.

iceman
03-28-2004, 10:06 PM
I had a Plymouth Satellite, it was faster than the speed of light.

(B52'SFNR)

iceman
03-28-2004, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
I saw it a while ago, and all I remember is that Tom Hanks' character gets shot, but not before shooting some other guy that had glass in his face.

Then the little kid then sit's with Tom Hanks as he dies.

Yeah, I figured Hanks had to die and the kid had to see it, thanks.

I wonder who the guy with glass in his face was? I didn't see that part either. Maybe Rooney's son? He was the one who ordered the hit on Hank's family, it would seem to figure.

Oh well, it's be nice to dipstik week again, I'll see if I can do it.

InspectorGadget
03-28-2004, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by phUnk
... and postulating.

Speaking of postulating; I'm really torn between my 218 Kastle downhills and my 178 AX4's. Given the choice, which would you choose for Saturday's showdown? :rolleyes:

A long time ago, I entered one of Steve McKinney's Camel Sprint Speed Skiing events. In practice many of us were clocked in the mid to upper seventies. Race day came along with flat light and new snow that was pretty slow. My top speed on race day was a tick over 67.

I don't have the foggiest idea how accurate the speed function is, but my CicloSport returned a max speed of 62 mph one day when I was out cruising.

http://www.ciclosportusa.com/images/hac4plus.jpg

Is 80+ possible? I'm sure there will be plenty of fun to be had finding the answer to the question. Until then, I'm all for letting the skis do the talking.


Road to Perdition:
After watching Tom Hanks die, the kid goes to live with the older couple that took them in while Hanks was recovering from his wounds.

Dexter Rutecki
03-28-2004, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by iceman
1260...not bad. Of course they rescaled the tests since I took them, but still not bad. I don't think I called you stupid. Ignorant, arrogant, humorless...yeah, maybe.

So what happened at the end of "The Road to Perdition"?

It had a happy ending--the guy and the girl get married.

1260 equates roughly to 1160 on the old scale. Probably doesn't hurt an ordinary guy applying to BU, but if your last name is Bush it gets you into Yale.

phUnk
03-28-2004, 10:45 PM
Speed skiing is for pussies. I'm wondering if 2 feet of snow is enough to make Pyramid Gap doable...

Dexter Rutecki
03-28-2004, 10:50 PM
I guess it depends if you're gonna Kush it or not.

Endlessseason
03-28-2004, 11:43 PM
Holy Crap! 1800 views on this thread??!! You mean to tell me there's more interest in how fast maggot amateurs can ski than there is in the Summit photos I've been working on for days? My photo thread didn't come close to this one. :(

Here's the deal on the radar gun. It's a Bushnell model I paid more than $300 for last year--incredibly accurate for the price. The thing is accurate to +/- 1 MPH even at 200 MPH.

I've skied with guys whose GPS readings have been quite a bit off (perhaps due to some of the points brought up in this thread), so it will be fun to get some definitive speed-reads this Saturday.

This thing is dead-on accurate. Although I already believed both the specs and the tech department when I was learning about the gun last year, ColdSmoke and I did dozens of field and road tests last season to see how good it was. I even used two guns together one day just to see how they compared to each other.

A couple of people made the point earlier in the thread that even an amateur should theoretically be able to ski a straight line faster than a pro making turns. I'm proof of this.

I've never had race training. I started skiing as an adult. Years ago, I entered an amateur speed skiing competition that was open to the public. A few of us actually reached 90MPH while practicing for it. I was skiing on 213cm Fischer RC4 Vacuums. I weighed 200 pounds at the time and was wearing a poor man's DH suit consisting of leotards I bought at a second-hand store and a motorcycle helmet. I didn't know enough at the time to be embarassed about how I must have looked. I just knew I wanted to ski fast and that I loved it. (Wouldn't it have been cool to look like a total gaper and win it?)

Unfortunately, the speed skiing event was removed from the games before it ever had a chance to debut, but it made me fall even more in love with speed.

If the conditions and viz are safe enough to do this Saturday, we'll likely see some people break 80. It's probably good I'll be holding the gun. Otherwise, I think I'd be really tempted to ski faster than I should eight months post-surgery. ;)


________________________________________
"Thanks for participating in our speed experiment. You're done now."

Endlessseason
03-28-2004, 11:55 PM
Oh--and yes, I would welcome any monetary assistance to help offset the cost just a little bit. We talked about doing that last year, and I really appreciated the help from Lumpy and GT.
Any other one-time donations to the cause would be greatly appreciated. :)

Blurred Elevens
03-29-2004, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by phUnk
Speed skiing is for pussies. I'm wondering if 2 feet of snow is enough to make Pyramid Gap doable...

The "soul of skiing' is in wearing skin tight ass huggers and wearing 220 straights.....JONG!;)

Spats
03-29-2004, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by dipstik
I got a 1260 on my SAT's...I'm also not the dumbass you think I am.

1) If you have to defend your smartness, you're not smart.

2) Smart and knowledgeable are two different things.

3) I beat you by over 200 points -- and they've pumped up the scores twice since then.

4) You still haven't taken my bet.

5) "You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run." -Kenny Rogers

bad_roo
03-29-2004, 12:20 AM
First one to radar at 80 on Spatulas?

Blurred Elevens
03-29-2004, 12:21 AM
If you guys can raise the funds, I'll be out to Utah to prove y'all wrong.

$1000- 90MPH.

$1500- 100MPH.

Bring it.

Lumpy
03-29-2004, 12:52 AM
Any distinct categories this year? DH boards, mid-fats, fatties, sheep suits, large-goateed men in second hand leotards and minibike helmets, fastest with 12 Busch Lights in the system (Bob)?

Garts got 29-buck Power Mambas...dig out the Spademans and rear-entry Hansens for the scariest setup over 50mph...

My personal setup is comprised of custom de-cambered Pr's sporting numerous 2cm+ ptex keels strategically hanging along whats left of the bases. Looking to hit 35 with a methane fueled burst of green gas. Chili- cheese, broccoli casserol for pre-event dinner the night before...washed down with a Mickey's 40.

I'm bringin' it.

Bzzzt
03-29-2004, 01:59 AM
I once clocked 150 km/h (93 mph) on my XXXs. On dry concrete!

This was right after the magnetic roof rack flew off the car. A pair of Arno Adams also achieved the same speed.

I saw clear evidence (in the rear view mirror) of the fact that the humongous tips made the skis very unstable at that speed.

(This was Swiss speeds, measured on the speedometer of a Citroen Xsara by a Norwegian en route to the French part of the Geneva airport).

bad_roo
03-29-2004, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
Check out the speeds that DH racers get when they're going straight, and then consider that they've got everything going for them speed-wise: wax, skis, snow, speed-suit...I'm pretty sure I've never hit 80+ even on big race skis.

So where do speed skiers who also have the wax, the skis, the snow and the speed suit get an extra 75mph from? I know. It's all down to the polystyrene calf spoilers and the helmets.

Could it be because they're not making any turns? Just could it? :rolleyes:

The reason why I've got so little time for the doubters is that I've clocked an average of 79mph down a 900m course in normal ski gear. I know it's completely doable to top 80mph on a groomer. To me there's no discussion - I've already proven it. The naysayers obviously don't believe me. They don't trust the judgement of Dantheman, phUnk or altachic either - hands down three of the best skiers on this whole board. Endless - the guy with the radar gun FFS - believes it's possible. And yet these 'flat earthers' still don't think it's even a remote possibility. Irked.

You Utards had better sack up now. ;)

Tippster
03-29-2004, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by bad_roo
So where do speed skiers who also have the wax, the skis, the snow and the speed suit get an extra 75mph from? I know. It's all down to the polystyrene calf spoilers and the helmets.

Could it be because they're not making any turns? Just could it? :rolleyes:...

Simply for arguments' sake, and really I am filled with admiration and respect for the skiers involved in this venture (PowHo - no breaking the face, por favor) BUT...

There are manymanymany factors involved in why speedskiers go so fast:

-The length of the skis is one - they track better.

-Speed Skis do not have ANY sidecut, and the racers actually ski on the inside EDGES. Lower coeficient of friction than the bases.

-Roo, as an automotive journalist, you know about drag. Due to the helmet, leg foils, little pointy caps on the poles, and speed suit, their drag coeficient is better than an F1 car.

I can't find the numbers anymore, but there was a really cool article years ago in Pop. Science about speed skiing. This was just before the Albertville Olympics, where speed skiing was an exibition sport. The article attempted to answer the question why these skiers were exceeding terminal velocity (~130 mph) without any propulsion other than gravity. It all came down to drag and friction.

AC - I hope you prove me wrong. That would kick serious ass, and you would be drinking free for a Happy Hour at the GMD next Feb. when I'm back in LCC. I'd even let your "boyfriend" (probably Fiancee by then.. ;) ) mag in on the liquid goods. :D

Also, why are we talking about GS? Downhillers turn, but they specifically include speed sections to impress the TV audience, just like they build in jumps. If a WC Downhiller barely breaks 80mph in these sections, well, then...

(Tippster is done flogging this deceased equine)

jayfrizzo
03-29-2004, 08:56 AM
phUnk can't participate in your special olympics 'cause he'll be helping out the real Special Olympics at Brighton Saturday.

Endless, bring your gun over to Brighton and see who can clock the fastest speed on their S-Rail.

J-

Endlessseason
03-29-2004, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Lumpy
Any distinct categories this year? DH boards, mid-fats, fatties, sheep suits, large-goateed men in second hand leotards and minibike helmets, fastest with 12 Busch Lights in the system (Bob)?

My personal setup is comprised of custom de-cambered Pr's sporting numerous 2cm+ ptex keels strategically hanging along whats left of the bases. Looking to hit 35 with a methane fueled burst of green gas. Chili- cheese, broccoli casserol for pre-event dinner the night before...washed down with a Mickey's 40.

I'm bringin' it.

http://www.endlessseason.com/smilies/rotflmao4.gif

bad_roo
03-29-2004, 09:50 AM
900m track, standing start, 26 seconds to finish. You do the math.

Did it in 31 seconds on a pair of friggin' Motherships without even tucking this January...

http://www.euroski.cz/img/foto/alpe_d_huez/alpe_d_huez_foto_03.jpg
Direct looker's left of draglift.

truth
03-29-2004, 10:39 AM
Roo ====> So fast right now.

Tippster
03-29-2004, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by bad_roo
900m track, standing start, 26 seconds to finish. You do the math. That equals roughly 77mph.


Did it in 31 seconds on a pair of friggin' Motherships without even tucking this January... Which equals roughly 65mph. THAT I can believe. It's that extra 15mph that's the trick...


Goddamn it, posted again. Note to self - stop being so fucking argumentative! Like I said before, all respect to all ivolved in these shenanigans...

bad_roo
03-29-2004, 10:41 AM
I wish. More like Roo: So 'cranky sitting in London knowing that the next time he sets foot on snow is in all likelihood 27th December' right now.

bad_roo
03-29-2004, 10:43 AM
OK - an admission. That first speed was achieved on 210cm GS skis. But a figure halfway between those two would be possible on something like a Volkl G4 and remember those are mean speeds.

iceman
03-29-2004, 10:48 AM
By my calculations you should have vaporised.

Blurred Elevens
03-29-2004, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by bad_roo
900m track, standing start, 26 seconds to finish. You do the math.

Did it in 31 seconds on a pair of friggin' Motherships switch without even tucking this January...

http://www.euroski.cz/img/foto/alpe_d_huez/alpe_d_huez_foto_03.jpg
Direct looker's left of draglift.

Bad_Roo-So sick right now....caw!

CaddyDaddy77
03-29-2004, 11:35 AM
Really curious to see posted times.

Been up to 78mph in a suit and on 223's, faster, yes it's possible give conditions and length of the track. 81mph on g-4's, possible,yes, but not likely.

Not doubting ability, just accuracy.

Superstar Punani
03-29-2004, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Dantheman
It was socked in and snowing there today (again :D) so I'm guessing it didn't go down. However, altachic skied witha friends GPS the other day and topped out at 81 mph :cool:

[obscure ski porn quote]
Just because Zurbriggen can handle a downhill course at 80 miles an hour doesn't mean that I can. If you don't know your ability, and don't stick to that ability, then there's not much we can do for you.

Buzzworthy
03-29-2004, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by elesquiador
That is a good point. GPS can accurately detect changes in elevation, but they need to have a stronger satellite signal than they need for a 2-D position. I don't know if GPS figures that in when it calculates speed, but if it does not it would probably give you a slightly slower readout then your actual speed since the total distance traveled would be a little longer than the horizontal distance traveled.

Gotta chime in here before I read the rest.

GPS devices are VERY different. One could give you 2-D fixes, while others have the ability yo get 3-D Fixes (vertical too).

Some have Differential GPS (realtime more accurate) and some do not (10 meter autonoumous accuraccy).

TO get the best readings, you want to maximize the number of satelites you are receiving and get your PDOP value to a minuimum. You need a minimum of 4 satellites to get the best readings for this type of data acquisition.

I would need to see/know what you are using as a GPS unit to see what it is capable of (accuracy, channels,....). I am in the business and have been taking classes on GPS through work.

I think the GPS handheld can give you a very good estimate of what your speed is, but depending on how many satellites you pick up and lose on the way down (trees, mountains obstructing satelite angle), the readings CAN go all over the place.

Also, you have to let the GPS unit aquire an "Almanac" before taking readings for the most accurate data. This Almanac takes about 12.5 to 15 minutes of setting it out and turning it on to receive the "health of the satellites, Satellite Clock corrections, delay parameters and so on". Signal is also affected by your lattitude and Long. depending on what type of signal your are getting (WAAS, Satellite DPGS, Autonomous,....)

Long story short, these are good estimates I feel. Obviously a radar gun is the best way and most accurate.

AND Altachic can ski extremely fast. Trying to keep up with her on the groomers at Soli was impossible on the snowboard, and I do know how to keep speed. My eyes were watering thru my goggles big time and I felt like I was going the fastest I have ever gone. Fun as hell trying to keep up with "some Blonde chic in ponytails". :P

Bottom line, she hauls ass.

Radar results will show all.

And someone mentioned the GPS offset deal the GOVT had over GPS: That was dumped in 2000 or around. You can get the SAME accuracy now as the govt.

Now to read on.

powderhound
03-29-2004, 12:20 PM
i have a GPS with 3D navigation, i've used in a car and it is very accurate(even on hills), but i don't know if i could concentrate on it hauling ass on skis.

Buzzworthy
03-29-2004, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by powderhound
i have a GPS with 3D navigation, i've used in a car and it is very accurate(even on hills), but i don't know if i could concentrate on it hauling ass on skis.

Yeah, that is the hard part for sure.

brownmonkey
03-29-2004, 02:03 PM
I realise I'm late to the party, but...

How much difference do you think (drag, etc) you'd go by ditching the ski wear & going butt naked (shaved body hair, obviously)?

I'm thinking my top speed would drop to about 5-6MPH.

altachic
03-29-2004, 02:05 PM
I'll be happy if i reach 70mph...I'd be stoked. That's all i'm going to say for now.

iceman
03-29-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by brownmonkey
How much difference do you think (drag, etc) you'd go by ditching the ski wear & going butt naked (shaved body hair, obviously)?

I'm thinking my top speed would drop to about 5-6MPH.

But think how much faster everyone else on the mountain would go, trying to get away from you.

MacDaddy
03-29-2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by altachic
I'll be happy if i reach 70mph...I'd be stoked. That's all i'm going to say for now.

Naked?

altachic
03-29-2004, 02:25 PM
Hmmmmmm....that could be an option
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if dantheman was the only one around.

InspectorGadget
03-29-2004, 02:51 PM
I'm bringing my 218 downhills and my 178 AX4's . . . . I will be fully dressed.

I'll wait patiently for the Altachic video to surface wink-wink

Dexter Rutecki
03-29-2004, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
So where do speed skiers who also have the wax, the skis, the snow and the speed suit get an extra 75mph from? I know. It's all down to the polystyrene calf spoilers and the helmets.

Could it be because they're not making any turns? Just could it? :rolleyes:


And I wasn't talking about sections of the course where they don't turn? Never seen a DH race?? It's called a gliding section.
As for the speed you think you achieved, I'd go back and check the math...

Red Baron
03-29-2004, 05:55 PM
Ok, if you do this early enough in the morning on Saturday (read: before noon - since I have to be at work at 2pm) I'll bring the camera out and videotape the carnage for posterity - positioned right next to the radar gun... :D

Then we'll post it here for all to enjoy... and we'll be able to answer the question - was that boom from avalanche control, or Altachic skiing by... :rolleyes:

boarderline
03-29-2004, 06:03 PM
Anyone want to venture a guess on how fast a boarder can go on conventional freeride(non-race) equipment?

My baggy jacket nonwithstanding, I like to mach down groomers and kinda wonder how that translates into MPH.

Dexter Rutecki
03-29-2004, 06:14 PM
Two more things: I never meant to say that I didn't believe anyone, I just wanted to point out that it's not unreasonable to think that 80 mph with 'standard' gear is difficult.

Also, a note to anyone participating: just in case you forget, make sure that DIN is high! Don't think anyone wants to lose a stick going 70+ (or 50 or 60+, for that matter).
If I were running this I'd have a no Marker rule, too.

Endlessseason
03-29-2004, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
If I were running this I'd have a no Marker rule, too.

Heh. :) I second that. I've had broken bones from Marker pre-releases. I'll never ski fast on Markers again.

Lumpy
03-29-2004, 06:20 PM
I've got three fixed GPS driven chartplotters on my boat and one handheld (for watching DVD's in my bunk while the net is out...don't have to get out of the fart sack to see where I'm at). At any given time all four of those units register speeds accurate within a couple of tenths of a mph. They are all farily new units (post-2001). The only significant variance comes when the vessel suddenly builds speed. Once the boat travels at a consistant pace all units settle into pretty much the same groundspeed readout. I think the processor speed must have something to do with how fast it disseminates the signal to the visual screen. I'm an idiot at how they work...I just want them to work in a manner my pea sized processor can understand.

I dunno about anyone else, but if I'm in a tuck on an icy slope looking to hit 80, I'm sure as hell not gonna be staring at a handheld watching my speed fluctuate. Does anyone's unit have a feature that will give them the max speed of a certain programmed trip.

I guess thats another option...program the coordinates of the starting and ending point of the course, set it as a trip or route, and check the elapsed time vs. distance traveled.

Myself, I'll take anyones word on how fast they were going if they do it naked and greased. Cause I sure as hell won't be watching 99% of the participants. Thinking that spandex/lycra spiderweb decorated suits are a better option than a bunch of freshly greased up maggots sporting fresh back/crack/sack waxes maching down some hill on 223's.

EDIT- Pretty sure footage of that won't make it onto any TV station programming in Utah...even if it is on the uber-hip Fox-13!

Dantheman
03-29-2004, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
And I wasn't talking about sections of the course where they don't turn? Never seen a DH race?? It's called a gliding section.
As for the speed you think you achieved, I'd go back and check the math...

1.) I'm no racer, but aren't gliding sections usually pretty flat?


2.) Not much wrong with Roo's math:

(0.9 kilometers)(0.6214 miles/kilometer) = 0.56 miles
(26 seconds)(1 hour/3600 seconds) = 0.0072 hours
0.56 miles/.0072 hours = 77.6 miles/hour

It's not quite 79mph, but pretty damn close.


edit for lumpy: She wasn't looking at the thing while actually skiing. It stored the highest speed she reached that day and she looked it up later.

Showtime06
03-29-2004, 06:23 PM
why the no marker rule?? and what is it?

boarderline
03-29-2004, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
and you are exempt from rule number 1 because....?

Anyway, lets clarify here.

I never claimed to be smart, I just claimed I wasn't stupid. There's a difference.

And yes they scaled the SAT's, by 100 points, so yippe for you. Seeing as you beat me by 200 points, and then with the scaling of the SAT by 100 points, you scored over a 1560. That's damn impressive.

As I was saying about clarification, this shouldn't be a "im better than you/ im smarter than you" argument, I didn't mean it to be that.
Also, it's not that im questioning AC's skiing abilities, or anyone elses for that matter, what I am questioning is anyone going that fast provided the circumstances that we talked about.

Guys, please remember:

http://www.rancidkoolaid.com/images/arguing.jpg

Lumpy
03-29-2004, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Dantheman
[b]


edit for lumpy: She wasn't looking at the thing while actually skiing. It stored the highest speed she reached that day and she looked it up later.

Good safety feature...I supposed if I read the manual for my handheld I might find I had that feature also...NAHHH too much trouble!

powderhound
03-29-2004, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Showtime06
why the no marker rule?? and what is it?
Marker bindings blow....apart. No Marker bindings.

phUnk
03-29-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
he claimed he did it in 31 seconds though, so that would be 65mph.

READ!

Originally posted by bad_roo
900m track, standing start, 26 seconds to finish. You do the math.

Did it in 31 seconds on a pair of friggin' Motherships without even tucking this January...



Originally posted by dipstik
one of my friends claimed that you need some sort of license/permit to train DH. Is this true? Showtime06? Alkasqauwlik? [/B] Yes. You need a License To Thrill.

Endlessseason
03-29-2004, 07:18 PM
Anyone planning on attending will either need FRS set to the regular maggot channel or my cell phone number as we may be changing locations throughout the morning.
PM me if you need this info.

boarderline
03-29-2004, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Endlessseason
Anyone planning on attending will either need FRS set to the regular maggot channel or my cell phone number as we may be changing locations throughout the morning.
PM me if you need this info.

Your PM box is full, Endless. Could you PM me your cellie?

Showtime06
03-29-2004, 07:34 PM
edit: on an unrelated note, but since were on the subject of DH, one of my friends claimed that you need some sort of license/permit to train DH. Is this true? Showtime06? Alkasqauwlik? [/B][/QUOTE]

you don't need a permit/license to train downhill, however when you're a J3 you need to go to super-G camp, being from jersey, we can only run sl and GS so when i went and did my first DH i had only done super g prior to that so you don't need any certifications

Blurred Elevens
03-29-2004, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by altachic
I'll be happy if i reach 70mph...I'd be stoked. That's all i'm going to say for now.

Ever hit 70 mph on skis before?;)

Blurred Elevens
03-29-2004, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki

As for the speed you think you achieved, I'd go back and check the math...

Go ahead dumbass. Keep checking the figures. He skis twice as fast as YOU SWITCH, DOUCHEBAG!!!

Dantheman
03-29-2004, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by dipstik
No, you read!




Since were not talking about doing it on GS sticks, I took the second speed, which was achieved on non-racing sticks. :p

IMO, g4's are a lot closer to gs skis than motherships. Her bases are in pretty damn good condition too.

zion zig zag
03-29-2004, 08:32 PM
Let also not forget that was an AVERAGE speed, Roo started at zero, so there was a faster speed somewhere in there.

Spats
03-30-2004, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by dipstik
and you are exempt from rule number 1 because....?


I'm not. I got slightly but measurably dumber from posting that.

I really wish I was in Utah now so I could participate. Last year we got pow days every time the gun came out. For which I can't really complain, but it would have been cool to get a real reading.

bad_roo
03-30-2004, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by Dantheman
Not much wrong with Roo's math:

(0.9 kilometers)(0.6214 miles/kilometer) = 0.56 miles
(26 seconds)(1 hour/3600 seconds) = 0.0072 hours
0.56 miles/.0072 hours = 77.6 miles/hour

It's not quite 79mph, but pretty damn close.


And when you include the conversion factor to European mph...

brownmonkey
03-30-2004, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by flykdog
Let also not forget that was an AVERAGE speed, Roo started at zero, so there was a faster speed somewhere in there.

I was hoping someone would point that out.
Unfortunately, without a radar gun, we can only quote the average speed & guesstimate as to what the peak was. Either way, it's quick.

Blurred Elevens
03-30-2004, 10:16 AM
I can personally guarantee to all you naysayers that I can ski over 80 MPH on my fat Kneissl T@nkers. Come to Colorado with a radar gun and place your bets. Put your money where your mouth is.


Do any Colorado maggots have access to a radar gun?

shmerham
03-30-2004, 11:11 AM
Straight from the mouth of TGR's marketing department: "See Black, Nobis, and Jones ripping classic Alaskan lines at over 70 mph".

That's on fat skis on ungroomed terrain. So, I would say that 80 on groomed is certainly possible. Then again, we're talking Black, Nobis, and Jones.

Interesting that they're suggesting that Jones is boarding as fast as Black and Nobis. I'm thinking that maybe there becomes a steepness where skis aren't faster than a board, particularly in loose snow.

bad_roo
03-30-2004, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by shmerham
"See Black, Nobis, and Jones ripping classic Alaskan lines at over 70 mph".


The groomer stuff doesn't play so well with the kids.

Free Range Lobster
03-30-2004, 12:37 PM
GPS requires altitude to determine position, along with multiple sat fixes. Therefore a GPS would be off when changing altitude at a rapid pace.

Whoever the dude was who said he had 3 chartplotters with GPSs, he had to set the height above sea level when he first set them up, which I'm sure he forgot (unless they were dGPS's... then they set themselves)

Not that I give a shit about anyone doing 80mph on skis, I wouldn't be surprised if I was doing that or more while being chased by an avalanche a few years ago, but I was more interested in staying above the snow than how goddamn fast I was going.

bad_roo
03-30-2004, 12:49 PM
Yeah, but, uhhh, we are interested in how fast we're going. Not being chased by avalanches and all.:rolleyes:

truth
03-30-2004, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
Yeah, but, uhhh, we are interested in how fast we're going. Not being chased by avalanches and all.:rolleyes:

Pussy.

bad_roo
03-30-2004, 01:22 PM
Want to see who's king of the straightlines in January?

Free Range Lobster
03-30-2004, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
Want to see who's king of the straightlines in January?

I'll bring the charges.

Dexter Rutecki
03-30-2004, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
Want to see who's king of the straightlines in January?

Can iceman still be king of punchlines?

Lumpy
03-30-2004, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by likwid
GPS requires altitude to determine position, along with multiple sat fixes. Therefore a GPS would be off when changing altitude at a rapid pace.

Whoever the dude was who said he had 3 chartplotters with GPSs, he had to set the height above sea level when he first set them up, which I'm sure he forgot (unless they were dGPS's... then they set themselves)

That was I...they are all driven by dGPS units. Setting them up? I'm lucky to remember where "power on" switch is.

Actually, they are were all pre-programmed by a tech. I simply have to enter waypoints....challenging enough for me.

Endlessseason
03-31-2004, 09:00 AM
Stay tuned for some practice run readings...

LCC
03-31-2004, 11:25 AM
So when, where, and how we going to avoid the Patrol?

Really, where is everybody meeting up. I'll try to drag myself out of my kitchen remodel, put skis on for the first time in 3 weeks and do this.

Of course, I can't go plaid like the rest of these guys. Endless, what is the slowest your gun registers?

If I can do it, I'll be in normal ski clothes, as GS suits don't keep people very warm on Utah Powder days. And most likely, on Explosives and Freerides.

Who's on this list?

altachic
03-31-2004, 01:22 PM
LCC----->we're meeting for first tram if it's not snowing on Saturday.

I know that Bum Z and I will be there. I've heard powho and phUnk will be there as well.

InspectorGadget
03-31-2004, 01:54 PM
If the weather cooperates, I'll ditch the kids and come play with the big boys and girls. If the weather spells P-O-W-D-E-R, then I'm looking for face shots at The Canyons.

A win-win either way you look at it. ;)

L7
03-31-2004, 05:37 PM
I'm real late to this party/knife fight and couldn't read everything BUT I do have a 12 channel hand held GPS and have been clocked by radar gun.

I am skeptical of the 80mph in normal clothing. In a downhill suit no question it's doable. Downhill suits meet FIS standards of air permeability to help prevent fallen racers from sliding too fast or too far. Speed suits do not have the permeability and are MUCH faster. I used to train with friends who speed skied and went to Worlds at Silverton and Les Arc. The local cops brought out the radar one day and clocked one guy at 103mph! Big pitch 240cm speed skis and rubber speed suit and aero helmet. Some of us ran in downhill suits and you hear the difference. The FIS suits made a loud hissing the speed suits were a quiet whoosh. The aero dynamics of clothing are a big factor even with different skin tight suits let alone baggy clothing.

For GPS you first need a good configuration of at least 4 satellites for accurate 3D. For accurate rapid descent you would need at least one low on the horizon close to right angles from direction of travel. That is often hard to do in the mountains. It may be there at the top but you could loose it part way down. Aviation applications will give more accurate readings as the horizon line is lower compared to the plane and that makes that critical low and right angled sat much more likely to be read consistently.

It'll be a fun day however it comes out and I'm plenty keen to be proven wrong. I'd certainly be in for it if I was in the area.

splat
03-31-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by bad_roo
Want to see who's king of the straightlines in January?

Ever seen that footage of phlingle outrunning an avie in Cham?
I don't know if Tom posted it, but a whole slope ripped and was lapping at Phil's ass down the slope and out onto the flat. You could see him turning back to catch a look every so often. Deadly serious insanity, but a relief as he finally pulled away from it.

Utarded
03-31-2004, 06:33 PM
Couldn't get up there til around 3. Had hour and a half to practice. So late in day that hard, manky, death bumps had formed on the target runs.
Noticed 15-20 mph slower speeds than last year on transitions and cat roads. Due to bad viz and sticky death mank, only able to reach 67mph. We really could have used that extra 15-20mph. We could have broken 80. SUCK.
The ideal time Sat will of course be either before bumps form or the exact moment any overnight freeze releases.
Highly suggest preparing two pairs of skis: one heavily structured to prevent stickiness and/or suction, the other finely tuned for colder temps and snow.

phUnk
03-31-2004, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by altachic
LCC----->we're meeting for first tram if it's not snowing on Saturday.

I know that Bum Z and I will be there. I've heard powho and phUnk will be there as well. I'll be there. I really don't have anything clothes that aren't baggy. I thought about doing it w/o a shirt just for kicks, but a crash would mean a summer spent peeling scabs off my upper body.

And then I'd have to make that my avatar...

InspectorGadget
03-31-2004, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by phUnk
And then I'd have to make that my avatar...

Pleeze, Lord, don-cha let phUnk ski wit-out his shirt at mawk 9. Dem toes is testin nuf of us awready.

Cun I git an AMEN bruthas n sistas!

Endlessseason
03-31-2004, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by LCC
So when, where, and how we going to avoid the Patrol?

That's actually no laughing matter. Make sure you either have a cell phone, or preferably a radio, tuned to the regular maggot channel (if you don't know what that is, PM me).
We'll keep on the move, but it will be tricky with it being a Saturday and all. They tend to have more slope cops on the hill on Saturdays.


Originally posted by LCC
Endless, what is the slowest your gun registers?
The slowest is 9mph. You can prolly do that switch.


Originally posted by LCC
If I can do it, I'll be in normal ski clothes
I think we all will.


Originally posted by LCC
Who's on this list?
If the weather's good I think we'll have a good-sized group this weekend.

Endlessseason
04-03-2004, 02:20 PM
Well, the GOOD news is that it didn't freeze overnight, it didn't snow, we didn't get a drop of rain, it wasn't windy, and we weren't in clouds. The BAD news is it was flat light AND it turned out we only a window of one hour for fast speeds.

"Hot Rod 'R'" hit 76MPH on pocket rockets in flat light, wearing baggy clothes, and even after scrubbing some speed as he entered the top! Mr. Altagirl hit 72. Bum Z broke 71 just as the snow was changing. By the time I was able to get radared, no one, including myself, was able to get past 68.

It was a lot of fun even though the light was flat. Can't wait to do it again.

We're doing it again two weeks from today (April 17th).

gonzo
04-03-2004, 02:24 PM
76 mph is fast no matter what you are on. holy poop!

ddsnake
04-03-2004, 03:50 PM
good work ,.......let's see everyone's speed please.

Endlessseason
04-03-2004, 04:20 PM
1st hour-
Hot Rod 'R': 76 on PRs
Mr. Altagirl: 72 on Pistols
BumZ: 71 on some long skinny things
Altachic: 62

2nd hour-
Altachic: 68
BumZ: 68? on Spatulas!
Endlessseason: 68 on beat up XXX's
ColdSmoke: 56 from a standing start on Anderson's
RTay: 49 " " "

Obviously, we've all skied faster (and we will ski much faster) than this when the conditions are better and we can see.

epic
04-03-2004, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Endlessseason
BumZ: 68? on Spatulas!

Whoa. There's got to be some award for that.

altachic
04-03-2004, 04:59 PM
No video, as a certain phUnk didn't show up;) ...hopefully two weeks from now will be even better.

L7
04-03-2004, 05:00 PM
That's faster than I thought you'd get, must have been some pitch. I'm not sure if the guys going that fast on spatulas and big blue noodles should get an award or get commited. One or the other or maybe both.

Endlessseason
04-03-2004, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by altachic
No video, as a certain phUnk didn't show up;) ...hopefully two weeks from now will be even better.

It would have been pretty boring anyway--maggots passing in front of a camera in a tuck in flat light...

Ski Monkey
04-03-2004, 05:22 PM
Nice work. I on the other hand went to the pond skiiming scontest, and was wasterd by 1. I hate skiing wihile buzzed...although i awas debating hucking myself in the fabulous spring corn. Reggae was cool too... dinner time. then party time. wohoo1!

Pics (http://bradstewart.com/gallery/040304-CanyonsPondSkimming)

Endlessseason
04-03-2004, 05:36 PM
I just told my son about this morning's frivolities. He was wondering why we didn't go any faster. I was trying to describe to him what flat light is like since he hasn't ever skied in those conditions.
He just got his driver's license, so I told him to picture driving 70-75 mph on a steep slope on the interstate, with his headlights off an hour after sunset. Only not in a car, but traveling on ice, wearing two pieces of wood which are being thrown around by unseen bumps, dips and frozen crap while the wind is trying to suck out your eyeballs and is roaring like a freight train in your ears.
He seemed to understand it a little more. :)

Mr. Altagirl
04-03-2004, 06:52 PM
Very fun, thanks again Endless. I was very skeptical about 80 mph before today but we almost broke it on our first try and admittedly very timid. Flat light on a run we werenít sure was going to buck us or not was kinda scary (but really fun). Add the fact that any random gaper could have popped up at any minute really had the heart pumping. Some sunlight and we are in. Let me now when and I'm down with opening tram again. I really want my Seth Pistols to break 80 mph, in some freakish kinda way.

phUnk
04-03-2004, 08:55 PM
Oh shit, that was this Saturday?!?? :confused:






Just kidding. Sorry I missed you guys. Just about nothing went right today. Should have stayed in bed and given life another shot on Sunday.

InspectorGadget
04-03-2004, 10:21 PM
And the winning costume was this very funny cactus
http://bradstewart.com/gallery/albums/040304-CanyonsPondSkimming/IMG_2359.jpg



Originally posted by phUnk
Oh shit, that was this Saturday?!?? :confused:

Ah, yeah, that was today . . . . these must belong to you my panty-waist friend
http://us.st7.yimg.com/store5.yimg.com/I/wickedtemptations_1785_86070885

FollowMe
04-04-2004, 12:27 PM
This sounds fun; what a rush. We need a counterpart in Tahoe...:)

h20ski76
04-09-2006, 11:07 PM
i am going to take a wild guess at my speed

so there I am skiing in resolution bowl at copper, going down sawtooth. Demoing volkl allstars going balls out fast. I had to have hit at least 50 maybe 60 mph; I am basing this on race experience, but kinda hard to tell just going on feel. About 3/4 of the way down my glorious marker binding prereleases during the apex of a turn at the left edge of the run sending me careeming into the woods. Long story short I was rushed to St. Anthony's in Denver with a torn aorta, fractured sternum and rib, a severe concussion, contusions, internal bleeding, completely occluded left common carotid, and to top it all off a partial clot in my aortic bridge. Moral of the story, I will never ski Marker bindings again so help me god. Ironic b/c i had prereleased on markers at least 4 times before hand this season; you would think I would learn my lesson. My amazing doctors, said that my sternum pressed to my spine and to do that I had to be doing about 60 mph or so.

flatNshallow
05-27-2006, 08:30 AM
I routinely hit 140 mph on my kid's skateboard on my driveway, and it's not even paved.


Switch?:fm:

Endlessseason
06-03-2006, 10:44 AM
This place?
http://www.endlessseason.com/2003/jan/montage-other_side.jpg
I don't think so....

edg
06-10-2006, 04:38 PM
bumpercars

imike24
10-26-2007, 02:41 AM
Yeah that's true.
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akcshowdogs
11-05-2007, 04:25 PM
That actually sounds like a lot of fun. How often do you take the speed gun out?

Endlessseason
11-05-2007, 05:08 PM
That actually sounds like a lot of fun. How often do you take the speed gun out?

Every spring for 5 years now. This coming spring '08 will be the 6th annual festivus. Come on out. You'll be amazed and thrilled. :D

Altmanator
02-02-2008, 09:56 PM
I for one read this whole thread just hoping that by the last page we would be back up to 2007 and not have this tradition stuck in 2004.

So pumped to hear spring '08 the gun will be back out! Count me in!

I'm bringing a bottle of rain-x up with me. It's the poor man's 100% fluoro and I'm sure it wrecks the bases, but boy is it fast for the first couple hundred meters.

Can't wait for spring!

hemslyjo
02-11-2008, 09:35 PM
Yes GPS provide such facility even i have heard about it & one of them is trapster (http://www.trapster.com).It provides you with useful information regarding the road traps, alerts about traps set by cops and moreover keeps you on the right side of the law. It will give you all the necessary information that you want. You just need to login. If you find anything interesting in your visits, do share with us.
And to offer you a bit of advice, donít drink while driving cause ďBEER - Itís not just for breakfast anymoreĒ
Wish you luck and happy journey.

Endlessseason
04-02-2008, 12:20 AM
I just posted info for the 2008 6th Annual Radar Speed Trap Day here: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118694