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F.D.V.
11-10-2009, 02:21 PM
In an effort to help people compare sizing across different brands, and also to compare BSL's within a brand, list your current boot, its mondo size, and it's BSL.

Scarpa:

28.5 Tornado Pro - BSL 324
28.5 Typhoon - BSL 324
28.5 Spirit 4 - BSL 322


Add if you wish, just figured a thread with these numbers for reference might help people when comparing boots or mounting bindings.

marshalolson
11-10-2009, 03:14 PM
FWIW - most manufacturers are +10mm for each size. so a 27 = 315, 28 = 325, etc

full tilt does it by +8mm increments, so a 27 is 310, 28 is 318, 29 is 326

salomon plug = 313 @ 27
salomon falcon = 315 @ 27
salomon course = 314 @ 27
salomon crossmax/x-wave = 315 @ 27

kryptons = 316 @ 27

garmont shaman = 318 @ 27

also, a note on scarpa = most companines run the same size shell @ 27 and 27.5. scarpa is different. a 27.5 and 28 are the same size shell, a 28.5 and 29 are the same etc.

don't remember what head/nordica/rossi/lange goes.

Horu
11-10-2009, 03:30 PM
Atomic B120- 314 in a 27.5

nvr2deep
11-10-2009, 03:45 PM
salomon Xwave 10- 26.5 305mm

cooks
11-10-2009, 03:47 PM
Scarpa typhoon = 307 @ 27

HankScorpio
11-10-2009, 04:27 PM
Head S10 27.0 = 317 mm
Head S13 26.0 = 307 mm

bern43
11-10-2009, 04:32 PM
Tecnica Dragon 120 27.5 = 315 mm

JayPowHound
11-10-2009, 04:34 PM
Technica Magnesium, 24.5, 284.

Pretty much seems to fit marshal's +10mm per size when compared to the Dragon above. :)

Liveezy
11-10-2009, 04:45 PM
FWIW - most manufacturers are +10mm for each size. so a 27 = 315, 28 = 325, etc

full tilt does it by +8mm increments, so a 27 is 310, 28 is 318, 29 is 326

salomon plug = 313 @ 27
salomon falcon = 315 @ 27
salomon course = 314 @ 27
salomon crossmax/x-wave = 315 @ 27

kryptons = 316 @ 27

garmont shaman = 318 @ 27

also, a note on scarpa = most companines run the same size shell @ 27 and 27.5. scarpa is different. a 27.5 and 28 are the same size shell, a 28.5 and 29 are the same etc.

don't remember what head/nordica/rossi/lange goes.

Shit are you like the ultimate boot dude? I bet you could get a horse foot into a plug.

Er.. Nordica Speed Machine BSL, 335. Dont know the size, maybe 29 but its ok because Marshal will know it.:yourock:

bfree
11-10-2009, 05:28 PM
full tilt does it by +8mm increments, so a 27 is 310, 28 is 318, 29 is 326.

I think some langes do this too, and I've always wondered how this works. If the foot size/mondo goes up by 10mm every time, how does the length of the plastic only increase by 8mm?

Anyway,
26 Garmont Megaride = 300
7.5 (25 i think) Rossi b-squad carbon = 300

whyturn
11-10-2009, 05:52 PM
Tecnica agent 110 27.5 = 315mm
Lange Super Blaster 26.5 = 310mm

blackgriffen_1
11-10-2009, 05:54 PM
Lane CRL 90: 28.0=324mm, although when measured the sole was actually 327mm. Most likely human error...:nonono2:

ill-advised strategy
11-10-2009, 05:54 PM
My 29 daleboots were 335

my 29 technica explosion 8's were 330

FT/raichle 29 = 326

volklpowdermaniac
11-10-2009, 06:17 PM
27.0 lange freeride 110: 317.

Ole703
11-10-2009, 06:22 PM
I will chime in here....

Nordica Supercharger Ignitions 26.5 (305mm)

I downsized a full boot size a while back.
Tecnica Diablo Race R H13 (Plug): 25.5 (294mm)
Nordica Supercharger Blowers 25.5 (295mm)

jondrums
11-10-2009, 06:26 PM
dynafit titan 28.5 (322mm)

farmer
11-10-2009, 06:33 PM
lange concept 95 - sz 28.5 - 329 BSL

ectreeskier11
11-10-2009, 06:42 PM
fucking great idea for a thread. can't believe this has never been done before (has it?).

couloir
11-10-2009, 07:02 PM
salomon pro model : 24.5@283mm

someone going to compile this info?

Wes Mantooth
11-10-2009, 07:42 PM
27/27.5 Krypton Pro = 316
27.5 Scarpa Skookum = 313
Tecnica Race 110 27.5 = 311

F.D.V.
11-10-2009, 07:46 PM
No, I don't think it has.

Now, what is your BSL? :D


fucking great idea for a thread. can't believe this has never been done before (has it?).

F.D.V.
11-10-2009, 07:49 PM
See, this intrigues me. Scarpa's rockered sole models all have BSLs that are 2mm shorter than their alpine soled counterparts. My Tornado Pros and Typhoons are both 324mm for the BSL. The Spirit 4s that I had were a 322 BSL. Does the rocker in the sole take away some length from the sole? I would have though the opposite... :redface:


27.5 Scarpa Skookum = 313

Wes Mantooth
11-10-2009, 07:52 PM
^^The soles under the toe lugs are HEAVILY rockered, enough to explain those mm's

I know the Spirit 4 is a 313 also in a 28...which is apparently same as a 27.5 shell in Scarpa

bridge
11-10-2009, 08:11 PM
28.5 Rossignol b sqaud carbon 327bsl

emr
11-10-2009, 08:12 PM
Full tilt BB 310 for 27
Lange Freeride 317 for 27 or 27.5
Scarpa Tornado Pro 307 for 27

_cj
11-10-2009, 09:06 PM
25.5 Dynafit Titan- 292

AltaAndy
11-10-2009, 10:12 PM
28.5 Salomon Impact 10 - 327
29 Dynafit Titan - 332

Shorty_J
11-11-2009, 06:42 PM
Scarpa Tornado Pro 25.5 - 298mm
Flexon 25 - 293mm

At some point this info needs to be consolodated. Great idea! It's messed up that manufacturers don't all list this info themselves.

JBird
11-11-2009, 07:28 PM
Daleboot Pro 27 -310

bennettc14
11-11-2009, 08:11 PM
Dalbello Krypton Pro 26.5- 306mm, someone gonna turn this into a baller spreadsheet?

andylsun
11-11-2009, 08:47 PM
Nordica Beast 10 (2008) 26.0/26.5 - 305mm
Atomic RT FR 100 28.0 - 324mm

ulty_guy
11-12-2009, 09:17 AM
Salomon SPK Pro 26/26.5- 307mm
Atomc RT TI and CS 26/26.5- 304mm
Flexon 26/26.5- 301mm

F.D.V.
11-12-2009, 09:19 AM
Hmmm...if enough people request I will make a spreadsheet once I have enough beta to plug in.

Keep it coming people! :)

Ccard257
11-12-2009, 02:17 PM
Dynafit Zzero 3 27.5 = 306mm
Solly ellipse (din sole) 26.5 = 306mm

dk_alaskan
11-12-2009, 11:06 PM
Lange WC 120's
365 BSL

jla415
11-13-2009, 01:37 AM
dynafit titan 27.5 (312mm)

Core Shot
11-13-2009, 04:09 AM
FWIW - most manufacturers are +10mm for each size. so a 27 = 315, 28 = 325, etc

full tilt does it by +8mm increments, so a 27 is 310, 28 is 318, 29 is 326

salomon plug = 313 @ 27
salomon falcon = 315 @ 27
salomon course = 314 @ 27
salomon crossmax/x-wave = 315 @ 27

kryptons = 316 @ 27

garmont shaman = 318 @ 27

also, a note on scarpa = most companines run the same size shell @ 27 and 27.5. scarpa is different. a 27.5 and 28 are the same size shell, a 28.5 and 29 are the same etc.

don't remember what head/nordica/rossi/lange goes.

MARSHALL for the WIN!

If this holds true (and it actually should, since mondo size is supposed to be the length of your foot in centimeters) then a given boot model should have a formula to determine BSL.

e.g. Solly X is listed at 315mm @ 27mondo (270mm foot), then a formula is:
MONDO PLUS 45 MM = BSL

note that mondo must be converted to mm and must be rounded down to the next full size if it is a half size.

This works out since my solly boots are

Mondo 28,5, rounded down to 280mm, plus 45mm = 325mm which is my BSL

Now all we need are to ID which boots apply to which formulas.

For example, Marshall's plug sollys are 313mm at 27mondo, meaning that boot is mondo plus 43mm (not 45mm)

My Dyanifts Zzero4C were I think 317mm for size 28 or 28.5.
The formula for those boots should be Mondo plus 37mm

As for Full Tilt, they are in a fucked up base 8 system which makes no sense. A formula could be devised for that, however, if desired.

Scarpa formula will require rounding UP to the next whole boot size since they change on the half size and not the whole numbers.

marshalolson
11-13-2009, 09:37 AM
more supid info:

mondo equals the length of your foot in centemeters. to convert to the EURO sizing scale,

27 -> 2+7 = EURO 9.
28 -> 2+8 = EURP 10.

etc.

don't ask me where the US sizing came from. probably texas. gotta be 1 louder.

Jag
11-13-2009, 03:36 PM
Nordica Beast 10
29 = 335mm

jesski
11-13-2009, 04:28 PM
Atomic "She Devil" W's Freeride Boots 23.0 mondo, 274 BSL

230mm (size to mm conversion) + 44mm= 274mm BSL

RaccoonFace
11-13-2009, 07:51 PM
Me thinks this requires some sort of organization a la new ski review thread...

Dal Bello Krypton Pro 25.5 296mm
Rossi Bandit 2 26.5 309mm

okbye

F.D.V.
11-14-2009, 06:50 AM
It will happen, just waiting for more beta. I am what most people call a procrastinator. :D


Me thinks this requires some sort of organization a la new ski review thread...

Dal Bello Krypton Pro 25.5 296mm
Rossi Bandit 2 26.5 309mm

okbye

FattyCBR
11-14-2009, 11:05 AM
Salomon Falcon 29 bsl = 336
Raichle Flexon 9.9 29 bsl = 326

F.D.V.
12-02-2009, 09:40 AM
BD Factor and Method 27 & 27.5 : 318 BSL
BD Factor and Method 28 & 28.5 : 328 BSL

Last Width on Factors and Methods : 102 mm
Heel Pocket Width : 73 mm

hutash
12-02-2009, 12:58 PM
Garmont Adrenalin 27 BSL 306

Dynatfit FR Aero 4 TF 27 BSL 314

StormDay
12-02-2009, 01:12 PM
28.0 Krypton Pro - 326mm.

skiborsy
12-02-2009, 01:29 PM
29.5 Dalbello Surge - 338mm
29.5 Dolomite Rage Pro - 336mm

smalls
12-02-2009, 01:33 PM
27.5 lange banshee pro - 317
28.5 lange banshee pro - 326

iscariot
12-02-2009, 01:52 PM
Lange Freeride 120 25.5 300mm BSL
Full Tilt BB 26.0 301mm BSL
Garmont Endorphin 26.0 297mm BSL
Salomon Gun/Falcon 25.5 295mm BSL

DAFTC
12-02-2009, 03:21 PM
Starting to compile:


Garmont
Radium 27.5 :: 315 (me)
Endorphin 26 :: 297
Adrenalin 27 :: 306
Shaman 27 :: 318
Megaride 26 :: 300


Dynafit
FR Aero 4 TF 27 :: 314
Titan 25.5 :: 292, 27.5 :: 312, 28.5 :: 322, 29 :: 332
Zzero 3 27.5 :: 306


Scarpa
Tornado Pro 25.5 :: 298, 27 :: 307, 28.5 :: 324
Typhoon 28.5 :: 324
Spirit 4 27.5/28 :: 313, 28.5 :: 322
Skookum 27.5 :: 313


Black Diamond
Factor/Method 27/27.5 :: 318
Factor/Method 28/28.5 :: 328

Campo
12-18-2009, 11:02 AM
To the top...

Canada Guy
12-18-2009, 11:22 AM
Here are most, if not all of Scarpa's boots. This is for fall 2008, but a rep at Scarpa has assured me this has not changed for this year.

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt272/1CanadaGuy1/ScarpaBSL.jpg

Campo
12-18-2009, 02:00 PM
^^^^

For the fuckin' WIN!

arild
12-18-2009, 10:51 PM
Lange Banshee 27/27.5
BSL: 317

Gripen
12-18-2009, 11:02 PM
Tecnica Diablo Race Pro- 24.5 284bsl

DeepHelmet
12-18-2009, 11:21 PM
Salomon Falcon 10 28.5 = 326

Bandito
12-20-2009, 07:58 PM
Tecnica Race Pro- 24.5 @ 285 bsl (06 model)
Tecnica Race Pro- 25.5 @ 294 bsl (06 model)
Dalbello Krypton Pro- 24.5 @ 286 bsl (06 model)
Nordica The Beast- 26.5 @ 305 bsl (05 model)
Raichle rtx2-28.5 @ 315 bsl (so eighties/rear entry)

Note that Gripen listed his Race Pros at 284 bsl, could it be that his shells are this year's model? Also, I currently rock the 24.5 shells and noticed that Krypton Pros (286 bsl) are shorter than Race Pros (285 bsl). What gives?

altasnowbirdripper
12-22-2009, 05:42 PM
Excellent thread!

09 Lange Banshee Pro 130 25/25.5-300mm
07 Lange World Cup 130 25/25.5-300mm
09 Salomon Ghost 26/26.5-305mm
06 Salomon Course X2 lab 26/26.5-305mm
05 Salomon Course CF 120 (clear yellow) 26/26.5-305mm
09 Tecnica Agent 120 26/26.5-302mm

h4rrybo
12-23-2009, 09:46 AM
Full Tilt mm Boot Sole Lengths

Mondo = Men's US = MM Length

22 = 4 / 4.5 = 268mm

23 = 5 / 5.5 = 277mm

24 = 6 / 6.5 = 282mm

25 = 7 / 7.5 = 293mm

26 = 8 / 8.5 = 301mm

27 = 9 / 9.5 = 310mm

28 = 10/10.5 = 318mm

29 = 11/11.5 = 326mm

30 = 12/12.5 = 332mm

31 = 13/13.5 = 340mm

DropCliffsNotBombs
12-23-2009, 10:06 AM
NOTE: About half of the stamped BSL lengths on boot heels are actually wrong (usually by only a few mm's). Don't trust what the manufacturer has listed. Physically measure your boot to be sure!

booner
12-23-2009, 10:27 AM
Atomic m11 28.5=327

Missing-snowman
12-29-2009, 02:30 AM
Garmont Shaman size 8 UK (27.5) = 317mm

Incidentally, the Shaman's have been stamped as Flex 110 and then re-stamped as 130 even though their website lists the flex as 120

jgb@etree
01-10-2010, 08:55 AM
Tecnica Dragon 120 28.5 = 325mm

sfotex
01-10-2010, 09:07 AM
Head Raptor 120 RS 26.5=303

asdfghjklvt
01-10-2010, 09:28 AM
Rossignol Zenith Sensor3 110

26.5 = 310 mm

Mazderati
01-10-2010, 02:25 PM
Nordica
Beast 10 (2009 model, last year produced) - Mondo 30.5, BSL 345mm, Last 101mm, Flex 80

Notes: I liked this boot a lot and probably would have kept it in a 29.5 if the flex rating were stiffer. Nordica boot sole length chart for 2008/2009 model boots: http://www.nordicaracing.com/assets/equipment/ski%20boot%20sole%20length%2008-09.pdf


Rossignol
Zenith Sensor3 100 (2009 model) - Mondo 29.5, BSL 340mm, Last 100mm, Flex 100
SAS Sensor3 110 (2009 model) - Mondo 29.5, BSL 340mm, Last 100mm, Flex 110
Bandit B-Squad Sensor3 (2009 model) - Mondo 29.5, BSL 340mm, Last 100mm, Flex 110

Notes: It looks like the Sensor3 boots are built around the same lower shell with the difference between the three boots being in the cuffs, liner, padding, and spoiler. I like these boots but they have a pretty small toe box. I believe Rossignol has these buckles listed as being made from magnesium on its website. The buckles look more like cast aluminum to me.


Head
S110 (2009 model) - Mondo 29.5, BSL 337mm, Last 103mm, Flex 110

Notes: The lower shell of the S110 is made to accommodate a last plate that reduces forefoot width from 103mm to 100mm. The same plate can be cut and shaped to customize the fit for your foot. Unfortunately, some of the boots didn't come with this plate and Head doesn't sell them independently. However, the Head 103mm last seems to be just as tight on my own foot as the Nordica 101mm last. The S11 and S110 are very similar boots.

Milkshakes
01-10-2010, 09:30 PM
Dalbello Surge 27/27.5 - 318mm
Atomic m110 26/26.5 - 307mm

PoisonLab
01-16-2010, 12:41 AM
And to throw some little feet into the mix:

'04 Head WC 23.5 = 271mm
'05 Tecnica Diablo Magnesium 23.5 = 274mm
'07 Salomon Course X2 Lab plug 23.5 = 275mm
'09 Tecnica Diablo Attiva Pro 22.5 = 268mm
'10 Salomon Poison 23.5 = 274mm

And the roommates' gear just for comparison's sake:

'08 Salomon Scarlet 24.5 = 285mm
'09 Tecnica Attiva Pro 23.5 = 277mm
'09 Tecnica Attiva Pro 24.5 = 285mm
'10 Nordica HR Pro 115 24.5 = 290mm

Not that if affects many here, and I hate to ruin the formulas, but sometimes they fail at the extremes of the spectrum. Check it:

Unfortunately for us but fortunately for informational purposes, between the three of us, we once had three diff. shell sizes of the same Tecnica (Diablo Attiva Pro the Terrible). From that you can see that the size/BSL ratio isn't straight (22.5/268mm-->23.5/277mm-->24.5/285mm).

blockhead
01-25-2010, 07:06 AM
27.5 Lange Concept 95 - BSL= 319mm
27.5 Dalbello Aero 90 - BSL= 318mm
28.0 Crispi Diablo FRee - BSL= 314mm
28.5 Salomon XWave 880 - BSL= 325mm

Ripzalot
01-29-2010, 05:29 AM
anyone got the bsl for Black Diamond Factors 29/29.5?

EDIT: nevermind, found this:

http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/uploads/black-diamond/media/size_charts_boots.pdf

mfkracing
11-12-2010, 09:20 AM
11 Tecnica Agent 120's 28.0 320mm

Too bad they sent me the wrong size. They sure look sweet though.

FYI they are a completely different shell from the previous years models.

newe english
11-13-2010, 08:15 AM
Garmont Shaman size 8 UK (27.5) = 317mm

Incidentally, the Shaman's have been stamped as Flex 110 and then re-stamped as 130 even though their website lists the flex as 120

Mine are stamped 130, but like you said the website begs to differ. Whatever.

Garmont Shaman 26.5 = 307mm

spantik
11-13-2010, 09:52 PM
Dalbello Il Moro 26.5 306mm (same as Krypton Pro above)
Salomon Falcon (CF Pro but all factors s/b the same) 26.5 305mm (same as Ghost above)
Dynafit Zzero CF 26.5 (pretty sure on the size) 296mm
Dalbello Kryzna 23.5 276mm
Tecnica Diablo Race 90 junior 4 1/2 277mm (these boots for sale for cheap if anyone wants....)

Driver
11-14-2010, 08:57 AM
Rossignol B-Squad Carbon 130 US 9 / Mondo 27.0 BSL 317mm

mtbcat
11-14-2010, 01:40 PM
whats the BSL for Garmont Radium size 28 ?

hiplainsdrifter
01-14-2011, 01:06 AM
Anyone know if Garmont has a chart like Scarpa and BD as listed above?

peeforward
01-14-2011, 11:59 AM
Question:
I have Nordica Jah Love's in "9", which according to their size chart is 27.5 has a BSL of 325 and seems to gives me 1 finger shell fit. other nordicas and brands of boots all give similar fit with 27.5 and BSL of 315ish. has anyone else seen this with doberman or Jah Love?

willmtbike4food
02-01-2011, 07:36 PM
Spent some time compiling all the info in this thread - hopefully it's well-enough organized you guys can make sense of it. If you want me to change anything, or think it could use a reorganize, let me know. Also, looks like we could use some more info on Garmont lengths.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B-k64rM0-oMXMTJkZWI1MWItYTUxYy00OTJhLWJhZTEtNTVkN2Y4ZmI2OTN i&hl=en&authkey=CLib7xM

willmtbike4food
02-01-2011, 07:40 PM
Shit. Looks like you have to have Google Docs to view the .pdf. Anyone want to host it? Send me a PM with your email, and I'll send you the original.

altasnowbirdripper
02-01-2011, 07:57 PM
awesome post - thank you!!!



Spent some time compiling all the info in this thread - hopefully it's well-enough organized you guys can make sense of it. If you want me to change anything, or think it could use a reorganize, let me know. Also, looks like we could use some more info on Garmont lengths.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B-k64rM0-oMXMTJkZWI1MWItYTUxYy00OTJhLWJhZTEtNTVkN2Y4ZmI2OTN i&hl=en&authkey=CLib7xM