light fatties

[verbier61]

a rank (from the lightest onward...) I made with data from couloir gear guide.
Minimum mid size 85, maximum weight 1200 g/100 cm

goode carbon 95, 125/95/113, 659g
goode carbon 116, 138/116/124, 694g
dynafit FR 10.0 carbon 118/88/110, 781g
dp (ex db skis) wailer 126/95/113 835g
voile carbon surf, 122/88/114, 888g
volkl T-rock, 119/87/111, 907g
black diamond havoc 118/88/110, 909g (girl version=lyric)
karhu jak bc 124/90/113, 916g
fischer T-stix 88 124/88/114 985g
dp (ex db skis) lotus, 142/120/127, 991 g
K2 mount baker, 122/89/108, 1000g
movement thunder, 120/87/109, 1038g
PMGear BRO model, 125/99/114, 1047g
AK king salmon 125/94/115, 1067g
G3 reverend, 126/93/114, 1068g
voile insane, 140/109/132, 1070g.
karhu jak 124/90/113, 1073g
movement gladiator, 125/92/113, 1093g
volkl mantra, 130/94/113, 1094g
fischer t-stix 92 127/92/115, 1099g
fischer t-stix 96, 131/96/119, 1100g
karhu jak team edition, 134/100/125, 1100g
Atomic Janak 123/99/115, 1112g
black diamond verdict 124/98/114, 1115g
K2 work stinx, 124/88/111, 1138g
K2 hippy stinx, 128/95/118, 1198g

to compare them with "classic" yurpean rando skis, my trab freerandos (78 in the middle) are 754 g / 100 cm

holy crap... toooo many numbers

[ulty_guy]

nice of you to list, but it's difficult to judge w/ out know the lengths weighed, no?

[hemas]

nice of you to list, but it's difficult to judge w/ out know the lengths weighed, no?

Unless I'm a complite twat the weight listed is for 100cm of ski (so you wanna get 180 skis, multiply the weight by 1,8 and the with 2 to get the correct weights of yer skis).

[verbier61]

Unless I'm a complite twat the weight listed is for 100cm of ski (so you wanna get 180 skis, multiply the weight by 1,8 and the with 2 to get the correct weights of yer skis).

I would say multiply the weight by 1.8 should be enough

[verbier61]

nice of you to list, but it's difficult to judge w/ out know the lengths weighed, no?

mmmmmh... might be you say that different lenghts of the same ski might have subtle differences in the weight / 100 ski cm...... well, it should be minimal

[Meathelmet]

Hmm.

The dynafit 10.0 and Havoc is exact same measurements and the weight difference is almost 200gr´s.
Does anybody have a word on the durability of the dynafits?
Yes,it´s carbon,rando ski etc.. but still.
Can it survive any kind of beating or is it a glass jaw?

And thanks for nerding the table up, verb...

[Arno]

a VERY useful post. thanks

[Hicks]

Verbier,

Any link to the Goode skis and how much they retail for?
Thanks

[verbier61]

Hmm.

The dynafit 10.0 and Havoc is exact same measurements and the weight difference is almost 200gr´s.
Does anybody have a word on the durability of the dynafits?
Yes,it´s carbon,rando ski etc.. but still.
Can it survive any kind of beating or is it a glass jaw?

And thanks for nerding the table up, verb...

sorry I never touched and flexed these dynafits! they're brand new and the first "fat" (well, fat by rando standards..) dynafit ever made. Dynafit reputation is OK (albeit their graph is almost always very nasty), but this is their first attempt in a niche they never entered before

[verbier61]

Verbier,

Any link to the Goode skis and how much they retail for?
Thanks

I was a bit nervous to include goode and dp in this list, because last year they were both involved in the db ski debacle (very few skis effectively produced despite many orders received), and I dunno whether they resolved all the trouble with the china factory etc. Anyway (from couloir guide):
www.goode.com
carbon 95: 990 $
carbon 116: 990 $

FWIW, I do not like goode's graph

[Hicks]

Thanks, Google already helped.

Lengthes don't suit me anyway (well, except for an AT specific rig maybe).

[KANUTTEN]

Did you type that in, or copy-paste??

On Goode vs DP; rumours have it (read it hear somewhere) that Goode is heavier than they report...

[verbier61]

Did you type that in, or copy-paste??

On Goode vs DP; rumours have it (read it hear somewhere) that Goode is heavier than they report...

heh.... my dear friend, I'm supposed to be a scientist

I made the rank by myself using data from the guide. Huge bore, but I'm planning a lot of skinning this winter (before gettin toooooooooo old for it) and I wanted to be sure - for instance - that my beloved BROs are the lightest non-carbon "around 100" skis on sale

[ulty_guy]

i was pretty surprised about the t-rock. i've skied the karma and liked it quite a bit....hm.....

[mntlion]

Verbier,

Any link to the Goode skis and how much they retail for?
Thanks

Goode 82 avail for $910 CAD

www.mec.ca


and 116 avail ebay for $850 or more.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1


girguide will be touring on the 116 or the 95 this winter .

I have the older version of the 95 as AT skis with freerides

very light so they are easy to tour on, but get deflected by any snow changes and also easy to oversteer (no swing weight)

overall nice touring ski, didn't like for the lifts

[ulty_guy]

edit- nevermind, not really fatties.

[KANUTTEN]

I was a bit nervous to include goode and dp in this list, because last year they were both involved in the db ski debacle (very few skis effectively produced despite many orders received), and I dunno whether they resolved all the trouble with the china factory etc. Anyway (from couloir guide):
www.goode.com
carbon 95: 990 $
carbon 116: 990 $

FWIW, I do not like goode's graph

I friend of mine ordered Goodes (82) late last season, and got them within a couple of weeks. And he absolutely love them for touring. I think production problems hit db/dp (the most). That being said, I doubt whether I would order from Goode, as it seems that Goode have acted as complete asses towards the db/dp guys.

[verbier61]

k2 shukasn?
volkl snow wolf?

I considered them too slim for my rank (<85), anyway...

K2 shukskan 117/78/105, 940 g
volkl snowwolf 113/76/100, 799g

Trab freerandos are better: 108/78/93, 754g

[verbier61]

I have the older version of the 95 as AT skis with freerides

very light so they are easy to tour on, but get deflected by any snow changes and also easy to oversteer (no swing weight)

overall nice touring ski, didn't like for the lifts

very interesting! how they compare with skis in the 1000g/100 cm range... (say BROs, BD Havoc, karhu jaks...)?

[Particle]

I got to fondle those Dynafit FR skis at OR last winter. They seem sweet. Insanely light, great width, and seemed fairly stiff. I'd try em in a heartbeat for a do-all AT ski.

[f2f]

verbier, add those to the list (if you want ):

volkl mantra at 184cm: 130/94/113, 1094g

edit: to avoid confusion, the weight above is for 100cm, the ski measured was 184cm, 2 013 grams total.

[3pin]

I got to fondle those Dynafit FR skis at OR last winter. They seem sweet. Insanely light, great width, and seemed fairly stiff. I'd try em in a heartbeat for a do-all AT ski.

Full review coming in our November issue of Couloir, but in short, that was probably the top AT ski between 85-94mm underfoot. Noticeably lighter than the rest of the field, but quiet, stable, just killed crud.

[verbier61]

verbier, add those to the list (if you want ):

volkl mantra at 184cm: 130/94/113, 1094g

edit: to avoid confusion, the weight above is for 100cm, the ski measured was 184cm, 2 013 grams total.

done! thanks!

[Snow Dog]

There's no Dynastar or Salomon in the gear guide and I'm too laxy to weigh my skis. Does anybody know what a Rossi/Look 140 binding weighs?

[Meathelmet]

There's no Dynastar or Salomon in the gear guide and I'm too laxy to weigh my skis. Does anybody know what a Rossi/Look 140 binding weighs?

If i remember correctly, about 2.75kg´s in total?