Sooo, just ripped the binders out of one of my 08 190 gots. Just carving on hardpack and the right heelpiece pulled out. Now, I have three options according to my local Volkl retailer.
1. I can get the 08s repaired and wait for the left ski to fuck up. I do love everything about them except the durability.
2. Pursue warranty for 2010s. Very tempting option as they are radically changed this year, and from preliminary reports, the ski rips.
3. Buy 09s on sale now (got a line on some new 190s for $350). 2009 has "tuff box" which supposedly "fixed" the binding pull-out "issue." Warranty the busted 08s and sell the 2010s for a little profit.
4. Any suggestions?
Me: 6'6" 220 ski 40-50 days in the PNW. I'm ski fast and aggressive with airs only when mandatory. No touring yet, but generally 65% off-piste, 35% on. I have never been on reverse-cambered skis, so I worry they will ski even shorter than recent gots (good thing the 2010 comes in 194).
If the warranty through Volkl doesn't work out, maybe REI will swap them out even though I didn't buy them there?! Anyone?
Can anybody speak to the new model's carving ability? I know they'll be ridiculous in the heavy PNW powder, but how to they ski on ice/breakable crust/windblown shit/ETC? Thanks in advance.
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Thread: Gotamas--2009 or 2010?
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03-16-2009, 07:21 PM #1
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Gotamas--2009 or 2010?
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03-16-2009, 07:33 PM #2
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Yeah I hear the 2010's are really a sweet ride.. as for the 2010 losing carvability with the tip rocker - good question - I have bluehouse shoots & Mothership 185's and I definitely dont ever seem to have a problem getting a carve out of either ski when I want or need one - I'd be very curious to hear back on that about the 2010 goat as well.. tough call.. option 3 seems most logical..
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03-16-2009, 07:35 PM #3
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I took the new models out for a spin yesterday during demo days. I bombed some groomers on them and thought they ripped. I definitely scared some people.
Do you by chance happen to own a large, yellowish, very flat cat?
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03-16-2009, 08:18 PM #4
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I got a couple of runs on the '10s and for the little running surface area they have they seemed to hold an edge pretty damn well. top sheet durability was absolutely horrible though. after 4 days of use they looked worse than any ski I have ever owned.
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03-16-2009, 08:30 PM #5
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I've had my '10s for about a month now and absolutely love them - favorite Goat to date. Hold well on ice, carve a mean turn, better in the pow than previous versions. Breakable crust is... interesting, as with any ski, but as good as any others.
There's a couple of things that I really like over the 09s. They seem lighter & more flickable, the sizing is better, and again the pow performance. As mentioned, the current topsheets are having issues but if you bevel them down on a beltsander it's a non-issue, and one that's being resolved for the versions being shipped for next year.
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03-16-2009, 08:34 PM #6
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Hold out for the 2012s.
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03-16-2009, 09:01 PM #7
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Get the 194cm 2010 Goats. Those skis are the business.
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03-16-2009, 09:27 PM #8
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hold out for 2010 but go grab a pair of mantras on sierraski.com with the additional 20% coupon for $330 and you will have a sick quiver.
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03-16-2009, 10:14 PM #9
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I've flexed the 09/10's and feel pretty solid. Although, if you like camber, the pair I checked out had absolutely zero.
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03-16-2009, 10:15 PM #10
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c'mon, the 2011's are looking sweet too!
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03-16-2009, 11:27 PM #11
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Just Pursue the Warranty for the 2010 Originally Posted by SgtSkidmark
I just got these and they are absolutely amazing, and they do rip
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03-16-2009, 11:35 PM #12
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The other side of the coin, might be more telling of personal taste than the skis:
http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/...nd-09-versions
Discussion of '10 Gotamas begin with Alberto's post.
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03-17-2009, 04:53 PM #13
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I heard this this now from a friend as well - anyone else have similar experiences with 2010 Volkl top sheet durability being poor? Originally Posted by dfinn
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03-17-2009, 05:48 PM #14
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See post #5 in this thread. Originally Posted by altasnowbirdripper
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03-17-2009, 07:56 PM #15
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Fuck... must not buy more skis Originally Posted by crispy4505
The 2010 Got reviews I have read sound pretty sweet except for the top sheet comments.Never in U.S. history has the public chosen leadership this malevolent. The moral clarity of their decision is crystalline, particularly knowing how Trump will regard his slim margin as a “mandate” to do his worst. We’ve learned something about America that we didn’t know, or perhaps didn’t believe, and it’ll forever color our individual judgments of who and what we are.
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03-18-2009, 02:31 AM #16
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saw a pair of these last weekend, they have an extremely low profile tip, hmmmm
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03-18-2009, 06:38 PM #17
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I noticed that too. I think the reverse camber will more than make up for that. I can't imagine anyone would say these skis dive. Originally Posted by ulty_guy
Oh and I got my hands on some '10s at US Outdoor Store and may I say...best graphics yet. Too bad the topsheet is made of chinese tissue paper.
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03-18-2009, 07:09 PM #18
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FWIW I skied a couple runs with a guy on the 2010's a couple weeks back and he did not like, and was ready to ditch 'em after 2 days. he loves his 08's/ previous generation. aforementioned skier rips. I had trouble keeping up with him, which doesn't happen too often. point being he skis hard and really pushes the ski.
the ski looks very different from previous gen. very low profile ski, low rise tip and generally flat looking compared to the previous gen. looks like they tood Kuro design, gave it a more traditional shape, narrowed the width and mellowed out the rocker. the ski has no camber and more rocker, which obviously allows the shape to lower profile overall. he specifically liked the rebound/kick of the previous gen goat. being that you're looking to spend a significant amount of time on piste (35%) you might not like the fact that you can't load up the ski like you could the previous gen goat. his specific comment was it has lost a significant amount of pop/liveliness. I'm sure it's a better powder performer but he thought it lost a significant amount of performance in mixed/firm conditions.
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03-18-2009, 07:19 PM #19
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Very valuable info. Thanks alot. That is something I love about my gold goats. I can just stomp on them on groomed runs (some say they carve ok, I think they're awesome) and they are great in powder/steeps/trees/crud also. I think the '10s still might be okay for me because I pretty much know when I leave the car what skis I'll need. At Mt. Hood Meadows, visibility closes down the best terrain more often than not. On shitty days, I know I'll be rippin' around on corduroy and in the trees and I'll bring appropriate planks. Thanks again man! Originally Posted by sierraskier
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03-18-2009, 11:11 PM #20
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Could it be that Volkl realized that that the prior-year Goats' performance envelope (and market) significantly overlapped with (and cannibalized sales of) the Mantra, and the '10 design emphasis toward more off-piste was meant to further differentiate the two models? Originally Posted by sierraskier
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03-19-2009, 12:38 AM #21
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Originally Posted by DtEW
sure, it's possible considering their line is huge and has all kinds of overlap (not that I'm complaining about more choices). but I were going to experiment I think I would be doing it with something like the Katana rather than my best selling ski.
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03-19-2009, 04:03 PM #22
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i fondled a pair yesterday and was impressed with the design. not just tip rocker, the whole ski is reverse camber, no flat spots at all, but its fairly flat compared to most reverse camber skis. The guys in the shop loved them, a few were saying they are done with any of the older models and were switching to this goat full time. Anyway, haven't ridden them but they looked like tons of fun.
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I've been lucky enough to have gotten a pair of 2010 since the end of January. I absolutely love them. They do not compare to the previous ones... Get the 2010!!!
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03-19-2009, 06:03 PM #24
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..or warranty them - sell the 2010's and get some Motherships - just thought I'd throw a cog in the mix - they flat out RIP and are about as burly as you will find
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03-19-2009, 09:13 PM #25
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I have older Goats and I'm not really willing to give up on them just yet. Last weekend I demoed the 2010s in windblown mank and freash groomers that was what I is what I wanted to try them in since anything works pretty well in powder but if your using the lift to get there you better have a ski that works well getting there.
Slight rocker = a ski that feel like the tip won't engage while the tail wont realease, makes for an interesting trip back to the lift. Off piste works just like my old goat so for now I'm holding with what I have.
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