Salomon Quest 12 Boot info From Rick Armstrong

[thin cover]

^^^ shit hope its isolated cause they fit lovely and I can feel how stiff they are. The walk feature may be a little stiff, but I think my 260lbs can get it flex. At least he is skiing them though and not having issues.

[CaliBrit]

Anyone know the difference between the quest pro and the 10 other than the powerstrap?

I like the look of the 12 but don't need 120 flex.

Edit: I guess they come with different soles as well, but other than that, are they the same?

[dk_alaskan]

Skirick, why has Salomon chosen to only produce smaller sizes? Will they be introducing sizes beyond 29.5 in the near (or distant) future or are they going to leave this market segment on laying on the table?

[mntlion]

Dr AK.

the ends of the size curve always get left off. They also dont make this boot below a 24, and most people are down one size from falcons/waves in this boot.

Sucks for some, works for most. Good news is if you have been able to use a 30 before, you might fit this in a 29.

I'm 8.5 - 9 shoe, 25 wave, falcons and a 24 might work in this boot for me.

I would also reiterate that you should try on at least a half size, if not a full size, smaller than your normal boot size. I'm a size 11 shoe, 27.5 Ghost skier and like the snuggness of the 26.5 Quest.

[Core Shot]

Just got the quest 12, gonna tour them on some dukes and big mtn 120's 192 length. I will try to review how they drive big skis. Excited to try these things cause I blew the Lange super blaster apart in 2 months, canting features came out and the rubber soles cracked off and fell into pieces.

As a heads up to others, it seems that the tech fittings can rip out of the boot.

It happened to Thin Cover, and he suffered some wicked injuries as a result of that fall.

there are other threads on his ordeal, but I thought others should be put on notice in this thread.

be careful

[Beyond]

Rick, if you haven't already, you should read the Dynafit failure thread, because it also seems to be a Quest failure thread. Would value any information you have about what's up with the toes.

[Patches]

SO ... you only sound like a dick

XXX-er was referring to me in a post I made above, which I deleted since I think there is going to be litigation, and calm heads need to prevail.

[coreyb]

^^^ shit hope its isolated cause they fit lovely and I can feel how stiff they are.

rereading this post makes me stomach turn... the concern was there... i hope this all works out in the end for you dalton... we're all thinking about you and hoping salomon makes this right. considering after talking to you i pulled the trigger on some quests, i'm not sure how i'm going to feel putting my feet into them for the first time... i feel like they're cursed... sending positive vibes your way... let us know if we can do anything for you... anything!

[thin cover]

^^^^ god dude I am sorry, but despite the tech issues, the boots actually skied and toured well. Super stiff. I mean its not all bad.

[XXX-er]

TC ,sorry to hear about your injury ...hope you recover well

[SeatownSlackey]

rereading this post makes me stomach turn... the concern was there... i hope this all works out in the end for you dalton... we're all thinking about you and hoping salomon makes this right. considering after talking to you i pulled the trigger on some quests, i'm not sure how i'm going to feel putting my feet into them for the first time... i feel like they're cursed... sending positive vibes your way... let us know if we can do anything for you... anything!

^^^^i haven't skied mine either and don't know if i can now.....

^^^^ god dude I am sorry, but despite the tech issues, the boots actually skied and toured well. Super stiff. I mean its not all bad.

Thin,

Wish you the speediest and soundest of recoveries. Been thinking of you ever since i logged in this AM and read the various threads. Hopefully the well wishes & vibes will augment the pain meds and bring you mucho comfort.

[XXX-er]

[QUOTE=SeatownSlackey;2837992]^^^^i haven't skied mine either and don't know if i can now.....

QUOTE]

should you contact Salomon and/or your dealer based on what has happened,I think I would ?

product manufacterers have always made stuff AND some of it has always failed BUT nowdays with the WWW userfolk can get together on line, talk and know more about a product and its failings before the manufacturer is aware there is a problem

what the user folk don't know they make up OR assume a conspiricy by the manufacterer to fuck their shit up was part of the business plan ... I seen it over and over with kayaks,bikes ,ski gear

[summit]

This thread is relevant to my interests... and good on Solomon for doing this...

[Patches]

Doing what?

[SeatownSlackey]

^^^^i haven't skied mine either and don't know if i can now.....

should you contact Salomon and/or your dealer based on what has happened,I think I would ?

product manufacterers have always made stuff AND some of it has always failed BUT nowdays with the WWW userfolk can get together on line, talk and know more about a product and its failings before the manufacturer is aware there is a problem

what the user folk don't know they make up OR assume a conspiricy by the manufacterer to fuck their shit up was part of the business plan ... I seen it over and over with kayaks,bikes ,ski gear

not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch. my issue would be mostly psychological. I would be wondering if my fittings would loosen next and nobody likes to be constantly thinking about the possibility of their gear's imminent failure.

That said, i don't currently have dynafit setup in the quiver. The tech soles i purchased were for future compatibility with purchases earmarked for next season, thus im inclined to ski them w/ the regular alpine soles for now and wait for Solly to investigate into the tech fitting issue.

Its no consolation to TC but at least the tech soles are not an integral part of the boot. Solly can fix and recall the limited # of them that were distributed this spring if it does turn out to be a bonafide design/manuf flaw.

[XXX-er]

yeah salomon doing what?



SS Of course its not a conspiricy but I have seen angry product users go all border collie when their stuff failed , product failure costs the maker a bunch of profit and they really don't want the hassle ,its better to communicate & work with the manufacturer & the dealer than to go looking for a rope IMO .

It wasnt on my radar screen that the Quests use a removable toepiece,so as long as you arent using the tech toe piece you should be good to go ...I would think Salomon can re-engineer a new toe piece

[wardog]

"at least the tech soles are not an integral part of the boot."

Slackey, that is exactly the weakness with the Quest. Dynafit/Scarpa/Garmonts all have Dynafit fittings designed into the boot itself, for great strength.

[LightRanger]

"at least the tech soles are not an integral part of the boot."

Slackey, that is exactly the weakness with the Quest. Dynafit/Scarpa/Garmonts all have Dynafit fittings designed into the boot itself, for great strength.

BD has removable soles with the Tech fitting not integral to the boot shell itself, and we haven't heard of their stuff failing.

I think his point was that the boot is functional with the DIN soles, so they (probably) wouldn't need a total boot redesign, but simply a redesign of the Tech sole to beef it up.

[SeatownSlackey]

"at least the tech soles are not an integral part of the boot."

Slackey, that is exactly the weakness with the Quest. Dynafit/Scarpa/Garmonts all have Dynafit fittings designed into the boot itself, for great strength.

??? IIRC both Titans and ZZues have interchangeable soles as do BD Factors. Haven't read of anything comparable happening to those boots. As i see it, issue is not with using a swappable sole block but rather how that sole block is designed and built.


edit: thx LR. beat me too it.

[coreyb]

Slackey, that is exactly the weakness with the Quest. Dynafit/Scarpa/Garmonts all have Dynafit fittings designed into the boot itself, for great strength.

nope. it's most likely because the tech fitting piece is between plastic and rubber and not solely surrounded by plastic... perhaps... as others have said, many other manufacturers, including dynafit themselves, have replaceable soles with tech fittings built into them...

http://www.wildsnow.com/2852/salomon...tings-failure/

[XXX-er]

nope. it's most likely because the tech fitting piece is between plastic and rubber and not solely surrounded by plastic... perhaps... as others have said, many other manufacturers, including dynafit themselves, have replaceable soles with tech fittings built into them...

I agree that sounds the most likely ... but we don't know



I have often thot that replacable soles MUST have a LOT of forces working on them and wondered if they could be ripped from the boot ?

But instead its the fittings that have pulled out

I have replacable soles on my endorphins but they are not dynafit they only go DIN - AT

[LightRanger]

I have often thot that replacable soles MUST have a LOT of forces working on them and wondered if they could be ripped from the boot ?

Yeah, makes you wonder, but in my limited experience with Factors and Methods, the sole block is wedged on their so tight that I think it would be highly unlikely--at least with those boots.

I'd almost always expect, especially with a big skier who is skiing with the toes in touring mode (as I think TC may have said he was), the toepiece to rip out long before the soles came off. We've definitely seen/heard of toepieces ripping, both here and over on WildSnow.

[wardog]

"many other manufacturers, including dynafit themselves, have replaceable soles with tech fittings built into them.."

I apologize. I have not kept up with recent product changes. Still, I'd like to see the design details of all replaceable-sole Dynafit-compatible boots. The concept worries me.

[XXX-er]

Yeah my garmonts have 9 screws per boot but I think the BD's are only 4 screws up front?

Dunno the specifics of the gear but I remember a tt.com thread where buddy fell into a crevass and was dangling from a locked out dynafit which held till he was rescued

[LightRanger]

Yeah my garmonts have 9 screws per boot but I think the BD's are only 4 screws up front?

Dunno the specifics of the gear but I remember a tt.com thread where buddy fell into a crevass and was dangling from a locked out dynafit which held till he was rescued

Yeah, it's only a few screws in the BDs, but the screws are not the real reason they stay on there--it's the way the soles clamp onto the boots. There's like a NTN-like ledge facing backward behind the ball of your foot, and the sole hooks onto that. It's so tight that at least the first few times you take them on and off many people have to pry in the crack on the toe between the shell and the sole with a flathead screwdriver. Honestly the screws might provide 10-20% of the total holding power. Not to mention the fact that the direction and amount of force required to lever off the sole is something that would be very hard to generate anywhere but in a lab situation.

You can't really see how it works from their stock photos out on the web. I'll try to find some better photos, or post a couple up myself later.