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03-20-2017, 08:39 PM #1
gut check: where would you move and why?
[Should this be posted in Padded Room? Lemme know if I'm in the wrong place.]
I've found myself in a situation where I'm soon to be intentionally unemployed and will be moving to the Pacific Northwest in an effort to get the hell out of crowded (and expensive) California and spend more time playing outside. Bend, Bellingham, and North Vancouver are all on my list, but I'm interested in hearing some mags' opinions on which of these three places they would pick. I'm 31 years old, single, and I'm obsessed with skiing (duh) and mountain biking, and sometimes I ride a road bike. I'm a big fan of craft beer, and overcast/rainy weather doesn't bother me too much. It would be nice to eventually find a "real", career-type job in one of these locations, but that's not a primary consideration at this point. Rent prices aren't too much of a concern because I'm coming from California, so everything will seem like a bargain to me. See below for a quick list of my initial thoughts on and experiences with each city.
Bend
-I've only visited once, about 8 years ago
-no sales tax
-lots of good beer
-moderate climate
-not very rainy
-very close to Mt Bachelor (which now has lift-accessed riding in summer)
-dry, dusty mountain biking
-strong mountain bike scene
-river floating is an option in summer
-limited career opportunities
-I know a handful of people in town, but no close friends
Bellingham
-I've never been there
-tons of mountain biking
-several bike companies based in the area (Evil, Transition, Kona)
-good dirt
-gray and rainy in winter
-close to Vancouver and Seattle
-3 hours from Whistler
-significant drive to any ski resort
-college town
-beautiful scenery
-small but solid network of friends who live there
North Vancouver
-I've spent lots of time here
-suburbia with easy access to big city and tons of mountains
-logistics of moving to Canada could be tricky
-exchange rate would work to my advantage
-gray and rainy in winter
-huge mountain bike scene
-super easy access to Whistler
-would be very difficult for an American to find legitimate employment in Canada
-good-sized network of friends and acquaintances in Vancouver and Whistler
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03-20-2017, 08:59 PM #2
Sounds like a solid opportunity to take a road trip with the bike and skis....
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03-20-2017, 09:32 PM #3Banned
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03-20-2017, 09:36 PM #4The JONGiest
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03-20-2017, 09:49 PM #5Registered User
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I live in Seattle, have spent a lot of time in all three, and would hands down pick Bellingham. Yes, you'll have to drive a bit to Baker, but the town is cool, the beer/food is great and you're near Whistler/Vancouver. I'd move there myself if I wasn't tied down. I like Bend but think Bachelor would get pretty old after a while. Vancouver would be fun (and $$) but I think it's harder than ever for an American to move up there full-time. Good luck.
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03-20-2017, 11:18 PM #6
Why just those places? None of them come to mind when I think of uncrowded and less expensive.
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03-20-2017, 11:34 PM #7
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03-20-2017, 11:46 PM #8
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03-21-2017, 05:42 AM #9
I think your on the right path. I moved to Utah and it was the best decision to get out of CA.
Canada is cool and interior BC like Nelson is awesome. Bellingham has cool vibe and is close to baker and Canada. Whistler was high alpine skiing and great area. If you like that apres ski then it's for you. Not for me I preferred interior BC and Nelson area.
So whichever way you go enjoy being out of Cali.I need to go to Utah.
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03-21-2017, 06:21 AM #10
Kalifornia has turned into a political shithole, and it's worsening. Good time to leave. If you're serious about North Van., look into your US tax status should you start working again. You don't want to be paying both Can and US taxes (assuming you're a US citizen).
Bellingham is nice, I like it there a lot. Spokane is also pretty k00l. I like the Moscow/Pullman area, don't know about MTB or skiing there, though.
Why the hard-on for the Pacific Northwest? No consideration for places like Flagstaff, Durango, Reno?Daniel Ortega eats here.
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03-21-2017, 07:19 AM #11
I lived in Lewiston for a year. Moscow is a way nicer, funky college town on the edge of the Palouse. It gets wicked hot in the summer but spring/fall/winter is really nice. In general, I wouldn't want to settle down in that area though long-term. Decent local biking and steelhead fishing on big waters but otherwise it's a good 2-3 hour haul to the Bitterroots, northern Idaho, and McCall/Riggins/Sawtooth mtns (5 hr+ haul). I would have to say - very cheap cost of living and hasn't been exploited yet by rich tech yahoos from the Bay. Also, the Selway-Bitterroots, Frank Church areas, S Fork Clearwater are some of the prettiest areas I've been to in the U.S. and make for a great long weekend with little to no crowds for good hiking, rafting, skiing, fly fishing/hunting. Plus, Stanley is 4-5hrs hours...perhaps my favorite mtn town in the entire U.S. I still have friends in the Moscow area who ski tour in the St Joe area and take occasional ski trips south to the Wallowas.
CDA is another decent option. Beautiful area but real estate is expensive as it's full of rich, spoiled California transplants. Closer to skiing though, plus Missoula and southern B.C are within 2hrs.
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03-21-2017, 08:21 AM #12Registered User
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This is easy, Bellingham for a variety of reasons. I went to school there briefly, and it is a nice town. Lots of mountain biking, skiing is close, San Juan Islands are close, Canada is close. Moving to Canada could be an issue as they don't want Americans up there taking their jobs for the most part, they want you to come in, spend your money and then leave.
The Pacific Northwest will be culture shock for you coming from So-Cal though. I have to agree with a couple of posters on this thread, California is turning into a shit show, or it has already.
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03-21-2017, 08:27 AM #13
Vancouver is expensive. And you realize that Canada has immigration requirements? You can't just show up at the border with a moving van and expect them to let you in.
Central Oregon sucks. You would be bored with Mt Bachelor very quickly and there's very little decent mountain biking. And the only beer available is IPA with 200 IBUs of hops
Think about Wenatchee. Or Ellensburg. Or Hood River.
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03-21-2017, 08:32 AM #14
I know, people are funny this way. It's a pretty big state, yet people will see like 10-20% of it and think they know all it has to offer. There are pockets that are pretty fantastic. I agree the California they're talking about sucks for the most part.
Which I'm fine with.
OP - I hear Bend has kind of jumped the shark in terms of crowds and rising expenses, but that could be just uninformed talk. I haven't been there in 10 years though so who knows.
IMO you should get in the car and explore some of the smaller towns / cities that have all of the same access as the places you mentioned.
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03-21-2017, 08:35 AM #15
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03-21-2017, 08:41 AM #16
Leavenworth or Bellingham
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03-21-2017, 08:43 AM #17
If you are thinking Bend consider Reno (area). Same kinda weather. Coastal PNW is not like Bend at all if weather is a factor.
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03-21-2017, 08:49 AM #18
Agree with that on weather. I live in Reno.
I like Bend, and it's much more attractive than Reno, from the perspective of neighborhoods and the town itself. Reno has more ski options, real airport, more job options, and no state income tax (Bend has no sales tax but does have income tax).
Agree 100X with suggestions that OP take a road trip to all these places and check them out. Personally I would have difficulty with living in the rainy climate in western WA or OR, but I think those places are beautiful. I'll just visit instead of moving there though.
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03-21-2017, 08:54 AM #19
E of the Cascade crest for sure. Six months ago we moved to the dry side (Eburg) after 30 and 24 years in Seattle. Move has exceeded expectations. No regrets. Small college town vibe + quick access to numerous portals to the Cascades + 1 hour or less to Snoq Pass/Alpental + much drier climate + lower cost of living.
B-ham was an option (job openings for Honey) and it's has a nice vibe but it's every bit as wet and soggy as Seattle the portals to the Cascades w/in 2 hours are limited. Long ways to E side mountain portals, even worse in winter when SR20 is closed. Seattle is closer to skiing.
We have friends in Bend, spent lots of time there. I've explored Central OR Cascades (e.g., skied S Sister, Broken Top, Middle Sister & climbed Washington, 3FJ, Thielsen, etc.) Okay but lacks the ruggedness and expansive wilderness of WA Cascades. Bend strip development/zoning gone wrong sucks. Weather is nice tho.
Van is the PNW's most cosmopolitan city and that's cool, but very expensive and getting out of town to the mountains can be a big PITA. Wet and soggy.
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03-21-2017, 09:08 AM #21
OP is from SoCal. I have lived in Northern California for 50 years and have been over the Grapevine maybe a dozen times. It may as well be another state. I don't identify with SoCal in any way.
But yes, everyone should leave California. It's crowded, expensive and full of evil liberals!
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Whatever you do, start yourself off with a trial run. Rent, don't buy. And go into it with the mindset that you're only there for a year and if it works out, you'll throw down some roots and if not, you can try the next place on your list.
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03-21-2017, 09:24 AM #23
I moved to my current location from CA(Bay Area) in 2003. I don't consider Bend/Redmond/Prineville, Bellingham and the Vancouver area uncrowded. Bend metro/Bellingham is still expensive relative to the region and Vancouver is expensive, only slightly less so than the Bay Area.
It's all perspective but anywhere west of the Cascade crest from Portland to Vancouver is crowded and desirable areas are expensive in my opinion.
There are great areas in CA off the radar but jobs will be sparse and amenities few if that's important.
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03-21-2017, 10:08 AM #24
This seems like the right advice. If you're not tied to a job or anything else that requires you to put roots down quickly, go and get a year or even a six month rental, and see if you like the place. If you fall in love with it, great. If not, move on to the next one (and keep your eyes and ears open for recommendations of other places you might like even better). Within a year or two you'll have found the place that works best for you, without having to rely on a bunch of strangers on the internet to make your decision for you.
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03-21-2017, 10:09 AM #25Registered User
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I moved from SF to Seattle a few years ago for likely similar reasons as you. I am late 20s, single (though currently taken), and certainly enjoyed the dating scene in both areas.
IDK SoCal, buti would think coming from there I would have a tough time dating in an area that wasn't a major metropolitan city- I very much value a smart educated woman who can speak about current affairs, business, etc, and has a sharp wit. Frankly, from my few years of experience in a couple of the cities you mention (Bend, Bellingham, Reno) it is very, very difficult to find that kind of lady. Those citys lean towards having the more crunchy, dirtbaggy, rough around the edges adventure gal. NYC/CHI/SF etc would have the overly urban, career driven, super educated and smart kinda ladies, and IMO Seattle has more of the perfect middle ground between the two. there are exceptions everywhere obviously.
If ladies aren't a huge priority, but you do want a cool culture in your town, I would look into Santa Fe as well. Its a cool funky city with a decent population base, Taos is less than 2hrs away, and fuck places that do not have good Mexican food (im struggling with that here in seattle ).
Basically, I am super happy I made the move. Our parents and grandparents moved all over the country all the damn time. Only during the last 30 years or so have we as americans stopped moving around the country. You are young without things to tie you down. Move to what you think is a cool place for a few years and experience something new. Variety is the spice of life, and until you find a family to settle down with, keep tasting spices to develop your palate.
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