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Thread: Alta Baldy Tram
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05-02-2016, 06:07 AM #26Banned
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I took away that they save powder for tourists? Well that's how they make their fucking money. Delivering top quality product to the paying masses. You know the ones that get rooms eat 3 meals a day there. The bread and butter. Snowbird and Alta would shut down if it were only locals skiing/riding there. Stop being so entitled jaded locals.
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05-02-2016, 06:20 AM #27
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05-02-2016, 06:31 AM #28Banned
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05-02-2016, 06:45 AM #29
b right on manages to make money selling a extremely limited lodging skiing/riding experience.
their mountain and bc access seems to always be open.
if someone else is sking all your powder
you aints doin it right"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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05-02-2016, 06:47 AM #30
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05-02-2016, 07:01 AM #31
theyre entire mountain is highspeed quad accessible the lots almost always full
people are always in line buying tickets, i buy $15 one riders for the wife and touring crew, ski school is always on the mountain with groups of kids. how could the rose and molly's not make $$."When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"I find I have already had my reward, in the doing of the thing" - Buzz Holmstrom
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05-02-2016, 07:25 AM #32Banned
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It's hard to say what these resorts make as they are private. Skier visits kept close, etc.. I still find it hard to imagine that there are enough skiing locals to sustain much of an operation in the Wasatch. I doubt pow mow is in the black.
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05-02-2016, 07:40 AM #33
It would be a shame to (further) ruin a very aesthetic mountain by slapping a tram up there... especially since they actually open that terrain almost never, at least this year.
Replacing Cecret/Supreme with 1 lift + angle station would be awesome though... also the East Castle idea. Baldy's good how it is.
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05-02-2016, 08:13 AM #34
You're definitely wrong. Skifishbum is right that Brighton ought to be making money. Bridger and Bogus both operate in the black with much smaller local population bases than we have in the SLC, and their financials are full open-kimono. Google it. The stuff near Seattle is also all day trippers with no resort hotels, though looking up the financials is tougher. Shit, Teton Pass, MT eeks out a living. Look at the census data for that population! I kind of like those places, personally. I'm more of a riblet than a high speed 6 pack kinda guy. But de gustibus, etc.
Pow Mow struggles to make money because they are the second-best ski area in the Eden/Huntsville metropolitan area.
Anyhow, this discussion is neither here nor there. The tram idea just strikes me as odd.
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05-02-2016, 09:39 AM #35
Most of the improvements on that list are inconsequential or make logical sense. But a tram up Baldy? Fuck off.
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05-02-2016, 09:45 AM #36
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05-02-2016, 09:46 AM #37
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05-02-2016, 10:16 AM #38
I honestly don't think stability keeps the Baldy terrain closed, there were plenty of low avy hazard days I was there and the chutes had plenty of coverage but were closed. I suspect Alta wants to minimize the days of the year they have beaters tomahawking down main chute... but maybe someone in the know can confirm.
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05-02-2016, 10:27 AM #39
If this is really about avy control work, work out some kind of agreement with Snowbird to use their tram for access. The proposed top station hardly gets you any closer to the summit than the Snowbird Baldy gate. Would be be shitloads cheaper than what I can only assume will be tens of millions for a new tram.
What's the over/under for when Alta lift tickets go over $100? 2020?
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05-02-2016, 01:19 PM #40AF
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05-02-2016, 01:43 PM #41
Ya I don't believe that it's mostly for control work either. It would sure help but it seems a little extreme to be for just that. That is probably the wording chosen to help it seem like it's more for safety than recreation but if a tram were to go in there I would think that's it's use was to indeed have a lift for skiers, maybe it's sort of a gimmick lift but it would get a lot of attention.
It's also likely that it's main purpose being part of the proposal is to be a leverage tool in the final proposed action decision.
The alignment sure seems weird to me. Why not have it's base initiate from below ballroom so you could do long laps on Baldy without having to ride two lifts?dirtbag, not a dentist
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05-02-2016, 01:51 PM #42
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05-02-2016, 02:23 PM #43
Even though it will be a relatively short tram, I just don't see how it gets built for much less than $10M. Add in 20+ years of O&M on top of that and the price tag gets big fast. I would be curious to know what the Mt. Allen tram cost, I looked but found nothing.
The thing is though, with the possible exception of the proposed Flora lift there's really nothing to get up in arms about.
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05-02-2016, 05:47 PM #44Registered User
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As a local, I love milking storms and having pow for days instead of for just 4 hours and shit is done. The only reason that would suck is if you only get to schedule one day off for an upcoming storm.
Otherwise everyone else wins, and people are safer. I don't trust SB patrol control work, so an extra day is completely reasonable, actually at any area with steep terrain it's a good idea to let shit settle. Obviously lots of variables so each storm is different....and I do love the SB patrol overall, don't get me wrong!
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05-02-2016, 08:50 PM #45
We were at AltaBird in March -- first day there patrol was bombing Baldy. My son was first down Main Chute after they opened it. Toursists win.
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05-02-2016, 09:28 PM #46Banned
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05-03-2016, 11:07 AM #47Registered User
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ummmm you realize that snowbird let their head patroller go last summer? yep, having experienced patrollers that understand the slide paths of an area is important to getting terrain open.
the alta snow preservation thing is pretty lame, but they mainly hold back openings during the week for the weekenders in my experience.
you gotta fight fire with fire. the ski resorts go MINE MINE MINE, GIVE ME ALL THE LAND! the soc goes THERE'S GOING TO BE NO MORE POWDER! and they meet in the middle.
but seriously, save our canyons kicks ass and is constantly working to preserve the wasatch mountains how they are. the work they've done and what they accomplished for the wasatch is why all of y'all moved here in the first place. They've got to ask for more every time they sit down at the negotiating table because look what they have to deal with..... Alta asking for a tram that would aesthetically hurt their own brand and that of snowbird.
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05-03-2016, 12:02 PM #48
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05-03-2016, 12:57 PM #49Registered User
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