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08-17-2007, 01:43 PM #76
08-17-2007, 01:49 PM #77
There's no room to move around.
You're in the way.
Off boat you're extremely restricted how much shooting you can actually do.
Not too many places you can get good sailing photography from land.
Which limits you to helicopters or other boats.
Also cameras and water don't play nice.
"Ok guys! turn around and go at it again!"
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08-17-2007, 01:52 PM #78
Please explain why you cant devlop good shutter discipline by ussing a digi.... If any thing it should be easier.
If you pre-focus as you SHOULD be the shutter delay just about dissapears.
Whinning about gear limitations is not an excuse for poor technique.
Last edited by Summit; 08-17-2007 at 02:10 PM.Originally Posted by blurred
08-17-2007, 02:04 PM #79
08-17-2007, 02:11 PM #80
Last edited by Summit; 08-17-2007 at 02:17 PM.Originally Posted by blurred
08-17-2007, 02:24 PM #81
It's interesting that he didn't throw in a grab or something, or somehow cleaned up is body position in the air.
Otherwise, I've got nothing to add to this (jpeg shooter 99% of the time because I'm lazy and don't have the PP skillz or capabilities).
08-17-2007, 02:28 PM #82
08-17-2007, 02:33 PM #83
all I know is that I suck balls at timing "peak action" particularly as it applies to big foofy faceshot upwellings. As such, shooting 20 shots to a sequence is a big boon for my very very very minimal photographic skillz."It is not the result that counts! It is not the result but the spirit! Not what - but how. Not what has been attained - but at what price.
- A. Solzhenitsyn
08-17-2007, 02:43 PM #84Originally Posted by blurred
08-17-2007, 03:05 PM #85
dude, you do know that the first motordrive was invented by Fujifilm purely to sell more film right?
I have no idea of the veracity of the above statement"It is not the result that counts! It is not the result but the spirit! Not what - but how. Not what has been attained - but at what price.
- A. Solzhenitsyn
08-17-2007, 03:26 PM #86
08-17-2007, 04:25 PM #87
You are still ignoring my real question. I'll pose it again succinctly: What is burst mode for and does it help?
I guess another question is do you want an honest debate here or do you want to keep preaching from the pulpit to make sure we all know how kick ass you and some other industry greats are? (and we DO know you are good already)
Last edited by Summit; 08-17-2007 at 04:28 PM.Originally Posted by blurred
08-17-2007, 04:45 PM #88
08-17-2007, 05:11 PM #89
And I've always agreed that any photographer should know that the eye behind the camera is most important part of the equation. But when it comes to action photography, having better gear HELPS (if you know how to use it) a lot more than in other photographic specialties.
Your argument was that everyone should be an expert and always be able to click their P&S at just the right second to the point where they will always get better results with single shot or lowspeed/buffer RAW than with JPEG burst.
I disagree and think that most people here will see a better advantage from bursting JPEGs on lower end cameras in most ski action situations (not all) rather than low speed/buffer or single shot RAW. (Most not all)
Last edited by Summit; 08-17-2007 at 05:43 PM.Originally Posted by blurred
08-17-2007, 05:27 PM #90Registered User
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He's in direct communication with the athlete, and knows exactly when and where they will be when they come into the frame, and he sets up the strobes accordingly.
There's nothing at all wrong with that. However, that level of control and predictability is never found in most other types of sports photography, and therefore high FPS and AI Servo can be incredibly helpful, but, I agree with you on this, they are not essential for getting good action shots. Just very very helpful.
08-17-2007, 06:40 PM #91
Mastering a wedge turn doesnt make you and expert skier, but it does let you get down a lot mountians.....
I STRONGLY BELEAVE that taking the time to learn the basics will give you
10X the number of good shots then just using the jpeg / burst function. You are not giving people enough credit for there ability to learn some very basic stuff....
Finally there is nothing arrogant at all about expecting people to master the most basic fundamental skills before they expect to get lots of good shots even with a bunch of extra and more expensive tech features.
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08-17-2007, 11:26 PM #92
...a quote from an editor at Sports Illustrated magazine:
When you are at a sports event, and you miss some of the shots because
of camera settings, you loose money. Our best photographer, knows the
sports he shoots, and rarely (RARELY) takes more than 2 or 3 shots in a
sequence. 90% of them are just single perfect shots. How he does it? He
knows when to press the shutter and factors in the delay of the camera.
What body? D200. He makes 3 times the money the other photogs do. Lens?
VR 200 F2.0, and he almost never sets the VR on. Go figure!
---I got a Nikon camera...I love to take a photograph...So Mama, don't take my Kodachrome away
08-18-2007, 10:21 AM #93
That's a horribly written paragraph for an editor.
Unless it's someone like Grant.
When I dabbled in shooting Ultimate frisbee I found it was easier to time a single shot than it was to spray and pray. I get something like 4.5 frames a second with my D200 but often I'd bracket the moment I wanted with two frames that were lame.
The same is sometimes true when shooting whales.
08-18-2007, 11:17 AM #94I got a Nikon camera...I love to take a photograph...So Mama, don't take my Kodachrome away
08-18-2007, 11:37 AM #95
Regardless, that's not the only reason.
Sometimes, storage space can also be a deciding factor.
I always shoot both jpeg and RAW, simultaneously.
In the initial editing process, I preview/sort the jpegs because it is easier than previewing/sorting raw files.
Furthermore, a lot of news agencies deal strictly with non-post-processed jpegs, especially for breaking news when time is of the essence.
I don't understand why so many here think it has to be an absolute of one, or the other. It's whatever works for the particular task...whatever fits the bill.I got a Nikon camera...I love to take a photograph...So Mama, don't take my Kodachrome away
08-18-2007, 11:49 AM #96Registered User
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08-18-2007, 09:03 PM #100
The 200 F 2 and the Canon 200 F1.8 are very special lenses. I.e. extremly fast for there focal lenghts and really isolate the subject from the background well. In fact the Canon version has been discontinued for some time now, and currently sells for more than it was new. You don't need a much longer focal lenght if your set up ar the right spot.
I never could understand why everyone thinks that longer is better for sports. Heck nearly everyone one of my favorite shots from every sport was shot wide angle...
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